UCL QF 2019/20 | Bayern Munich Vs Barcelona

Casciavit wrote:

The most interesting thing to me though is that you never hear former coaches of his talk about his tactical issues. I don't get the impression Messi asks for them to change the system for him. You haven't heard about the little dictator talks since 2012. It could be that they give him the freedom to do what he wants because they think full freedom Messi = highest chance of winning. Maybe they'll open up about it after he retires.

_LMG_10_ wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:Trophies? He has 4 compared to Cristiano who has 5. In two different teams (and countries) and instrumental in all 5. Messi's 05-06 is a bare mention for obvious reasons given that stage for his career.


For country its not even close as Messi has been highly underwhelming for Argentina and won fuck all compared to CR who lead his team to an unexpected Euro win.

So you're only comparing CL's? What about league titles where Messi is vastly superior? Zidane himself said league titles are far more difficult and noteworthy than CL titles, but of course, you know better than Zidane.

And you're actually gonna use that Euro win? Hilarious how short people's memories are. Do you even remember that Euro Cup? It was a farcical Euros where they decided that the 3rd place team advances to the knockout phase. It promoted garbage defensive football allowing any team to advance with THREE draws in the group stage. Guess what? CR7 couldn't lead his team to a victory against the mighty Hungary, Iceland, or Austria. They finished 3rd in the group with 3 draws and won every other match in extra time or penalties, against mighty nations like Switzerland and Poland. It was BY FAR the most underwhelming victory at a major tournament for a major nation and that Portugal team was pretty stacked, as they usually are. It hardly elevates CR7's status, especially when he didn't play in the final.

And let's omit the fact that Messi took ARG to the world cup finals in 2014 (among the other Copas), winning PLAYER OF THE FUCKING TOURNAMENT and a record man-of-the-match in 4 games in that World Cup. But lets ignore that achievement because they didn't come out on top in the end.
Even a chimpanzee can see that the task at hand for Messi is FAR more difficult when it comes to international tournaments. Comparing their international careers is again like comparing apples to oranges.  You simply cannot compare them when one team is a proper European nation with proper coaching and player development, while the other is a South American country with the most corrupt FA, who do not even pay their staff during a World Cup tournament, and hire cokehead managers.

It's actually really sad, the 2nd half of Messi's career he's been plagued with corrupt and incompetent organizations running (or rather ruining) football teams. And then you want to compared Ronaldo with him as if comparing an apple to an apple, just because Ronaldo has lifted the Euros and more CL's.
Very, very shortsighted. But of course internet posters have the most shallow judgement without any real analysis or thought.