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Re: Juventus' Champions League Campaign 2018/19
Hapless_Hans wrote:Still find it rather unbelievable that you would sacrifice your young superstar Dybala to accommodate a 35 year old.
And all you fans go along with it as it wasn't absolute madness and counter to everything that made your club strong over the last decade.
This is an admittedly exaggeration, but honestly it seems like you're choosing the AC Milan path in terms of squad building.
Dybala neither starts for Juve or for Argentina. He needs to be the central piece in attack in order for him to succeed, so if Messi or Ronaldo are around he can't play to his characteristics and suffers as a result.
Ronaldo has won 5 Champions League trophies and a European Championship, Dybala has won nothing. So I'm okay to sacrifice Dybala to get two young studs like Chiesa and Felix who will compliment Ronaldo and help him win his 6th Champions League with Juventus.
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Dybala leaving would be much more a consequence of Allegri than it would be Ronaldo.
Last season the situation with Dybala and Allegri was rocky, the worst of which being him being healthy but benched versus Inter (equivalent of Messi being dropped from el classico) and his red card in the CL against Real.
This season has been worse, I don’t think it’s a consequence of Ronaldo but rather a string of poor performances and players like Bernardeschi simply being more effective for how Allegri has chosen to play. Not saying I agree with it, but saying that Dybala is a sacrifice of Ronaldo simply isn’t correct, the writing was on the wall before Ronaldo arrived. Sadly the situation didn’t exactly improve this season.
Last season the situation with Dybala and Allegri was rocky, the worst of which being him being healthy but benched versus Inter (equivalent of Messi being dropped from el classico) and his red card in the CL against Real.
This season has been worse, I don’t think it’s a consequence of Ronaldo but rather a string of poor performances and players like Bernardeschi simply being more effective for how Allegri has chosen to play. Not saying I agree with it, but saying that Dybala is a sacrifice of Ronaldo simply isn’t correct, the writing was on the wall before Ronaldo arrived. Sadly the situation didn’t exactly improve this season.
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Re: Juventus' Champions League Campaign 2018/19
Hapless_Hans wrote:Still find it rather unbelievable that you would sacrifice your young superstar Dybala to accommodate a 35 year old.
And all you fans go along with it as it wasn't absolute madness and counter to everything that made your club strong over the last decade.
This is an admittedly exaggeration, but honestly it seems like you're choosing the AC Milan path in terms of squad building.
Just want to precise, since 3 years i've only been satisfied by Pjanic and Bernardeschi. Rest have been changes that annoy me both on and off the field. We are losing the Juve identity, slowly but surely becoming a brand that thinks money first, i can feel it.
Let's not forget something very important, before buying Ronaldo we were in the middle of a squad rebuilding process. For marketing reasons it was decided to go all-in for Ronaldo and throw that project in the bin. Imagine rebuilding your house and you buy luxury decorations instead of repairing the cracks in the foundation.
Ronaldo himself is not the problem (MOTS imo) but the complacency from his presence is a major problem.
Basically i agree with you, we are taking a dangerous path. Too much success in the league has blinded the management and also some fans like myself. A complete re-evaluation of the players is needed, not necessary transfers but NEW ROLES FFS. 2 times in a row our season ends in CL QFs, hopefully it rings a bell, it's time to wake up.
About Dybala... whatever really... as if everyone involved is wasting their time if he stays. But i think a new coach would give him a boost. Or a new tactical approach could maximize his strengths (same for Pjanic)...
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In: Ramsey, Ndombelé/Sergej, Manolas/De Ligt
Out: Douglas, Khedira, Barzagli
Just that would be fine
After that please use a strategy that makes more sense, so our players can play up to their real potential. This is Allegri's responsibility, not sure if he can do it, he seems deeply entangled in his ideas.
Out: Douglas, Khedira, Barzagli
Just that would be fine
After that please use a strategy that makes more sense, so our players can play up to their real potential. This is Allegri's responsibility, not sure if he can do it, he seems deeply entangled in his ideas.
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Re: Juventus' Champions League Campaign 2018/19
Hapless_Hans wrote:Still find it rather unbelievable that you would sacrifice your young superstar Dybala to accommodate a 35 year old.
And all you fans go along with it as it wasn't absolute madness and counter to everything that made your club strong over the last decade.
This is an admittedly exaggeration, but honestly it seems like you're choosing the AC Milan path in terms of squad building.
It's not so dramatic. I generally want Dybala to stay, he is a fantastic player with obvious talent that has given us unreal performances. His attitude problems get totally overblown. He came as a kid and has been a professional and played everywhere Max has asked him to. Every season a new role and he always goes hard. Maybe too hard even, he could have more calm and clarity. Maybe he doesn't like all the work he has to do, maybe he does, regardless he sure has not let this issue get to the field.
That said, his ideal position might be against what Max wants. We already discussed this here last season. It's not about Ronaldo coming, it's about the tactical necessities. To get the best out of Dybala you need a striking partnership. The 4-3-3 is not made for him. Then Ronaldo, who is obviously better, came and should (has to) play.
This season when we play without Dybala our team suffers from lack of creativity through the center. So even a Dybala that "doesn't fit" is crucial, but that is only because of the incompetent midfield we have. So if Dybala is sacrificed to make a more functional team then so be it.
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Juve could absolutely kill for a James type player. IF he goes to Juve, he is gonna be absolutely fantastic.
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I think so too
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I think Dybala's problem is a role problem. You already have good dribblers in Cancelo, Douglas Costa, even CR7 to an extent. Scoring wise, Ronaldo is gonna do that for you. Mandzukic is a better partner for CR.
Dybala doesn't offer enough from a creative standpoint. He's a poor mans Messi without the final pass and athleticism. Still a good player but Juve should move on.
James's best qualities is his end product overall and his forward passing to create chances.
Dybala doesn't offer enough from a creative standpoint. He's a poor mans Messi without the final pass and athleticism. Still a good player but Juve should move on.
James's best qualities is his end product overall and his forward passing to create chances.
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We need a true DM and better passes in MF. I think our front 3 are fine. I would much rather invest in 2 CMs than invest any more in the front line (keane is blossoming as well).
James would really be a great addition. Can't belive I hadnt thought of him (not truly a cm but...)
James would really be a great addition. Can't belive I hadnt thought of him (not truly a cm but...)
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Too many attackers on the bench and prob not enough midfielders to play full time 4
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Emre Can out of the CL list. I am not his biggest fan but that's honestly shocking.
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Expected for me. He doesn't fit fast passing football at all. When he has been tried it has looked hopeless.
He was always a donkey, if for Allegri he wasn't good enough to play outside of a specific very defensive role, then for Sarri it's out of the question.
Rabiot/Matuidi - Pjanic/Bentancur - Khedira/Ramsey
is enough
He was always a donkey, if for Allegri he wasn't good enough to play outside of a specific very defensive role, then for Sarri it's out of the question.
Rabiot/Matuidi - Pjanic/Bentancur - Khedira/Ramsey
is enough
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I believe Sarri wants to create a more attacking minded team and that is the problem why Emre Can is left out ,
Sarri wants two playmakers on the center something we have seen with Real Madrid using Kros + Modric
we may be using Pjanic + one of Rabiot or Ramsey
Sarri wants two playmakers on the center something we have seen with Real Madrid using Kros + Modric
we may be using Pjanic + one of Rabiot or Ramsey
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Pjanic - Ramsey is recipe for disaster, we would get run over.
Oh and Hi, how have you been
Oh and Hi, how have you been
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HahahhaaWarrior wrote:Emre Can out of the CL list. I am not his biggest fan but that's honestly shocking.
Ok let me laugh a bit more
Hahaha
He should have stayed at Liverpool but not sure then if we would have signed Fabinho
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DeviAngel wrote:Pjanic - Ramsey is recipe for disaster, we would get run over.
Oh and Hi, how have you been
im good, i hope you doing good too
about the quote above I believe that when you have a pair of strikers who can go for headers (Ronaldo+Higuain) you dont really need Khedira instead you can add a profile who adds more playmaking qualities like Kros+Modric pair supported by Casemiro
Ronaldo -------- Higuain -------- Cuadrado
--------------Matuidi ----Ramsey/Rabiot ------
---------------------- Pjanic ----------------------------
Sandro --- De Ligt --- Bonuci --- Danilo
i thought Sarri is attacking minded coach? well this is how you attack
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DeviAngel wrote:Pjanic - Ramsey is recipe for disaster, we would get run over.
Oh and Hi, how have you been
Oi!!
Great to see you back!!
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Of the 3 current starters i think only Pjanic is a real starter, Ramsey and Rabiot will be integrated quickly enough imo.
It's a liability in defense because there is no DM, but we should be able to have more dangerous possessions with players who can retain the ball better and pass the ball better. On paper it's our best midfield in last 3 seasons, not that it's a high target....
It's a liability in defense because there is no DM, but we should be able to have more dangerous possessions with players who can retain the ball better and pass the ball better. On paper it's our best midfield in last 3 seasons, not that it's a high target....
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Hapless_Hans wrote:DeviAngel wrote:Pjanic - Ramsey is recipe for disaster, we would get run over.
Oh and Hi, how have you been
Oi!!
Great to see you back!!
Good to be back Hans , ty
Today was proved that this team is far from what Sarri wants. He even said it on the press conference. We'll get there but please let it be sooner rather than later
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Warrior wrote:Of the 3 current starters i think only Pjanic is a real starter, Ramsey and Rabiot will be integrated quickly enough imo.
It's a liability in defense because there is no DM, but we should be able to have more dangerous possessions with players who can retain the ball better and pass the ball better. On paper it's our best midfield in last 3 seasons, not that it's a high target....
We have a pure DM and his name is Can. The problem is if he plays and we want Rabiot, Ramsey and Pjanic we have to play 4-4-2 diamond but there is no space for Costa like that... With these player 4-2-3-1 is the way to go.
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Khedira should play only if Dybala plays so he can go for headers
i dont think we need khedira on the team when we have Ronaldo-Higuain playing forwards
instead of khedira we have to play one of Rabiot or Ramsey
if this doesnt happen , Fck Sarri
i dont think we need khedira on the team when we have Ronaldo-Higuain playing forwards
instead of khedira we have to play one of Rabiot or Ramsey
if this doesnt happen , Fck Sarri
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Khedira + Dybala works well
just dont play Khedira when you have Ronaldo+ Higuain
im happy the coach played Ramsey and Rabiot they need more playing time
just dont play Khedira when you have Ronaldo+ Higuain
im happy the coach played Ramsey and Rabiot they need more playing time
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its funny to hear debates questioning if Juventus have become better as if Juventus was not good enough before
we had players like Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, what more than that can you do? we were superior to all the other clubs except Barcelona we should simply continue to keep it strong as we already was and i believe Juventus are managing to do it
Dybala, Bernardeschi, Higuain, Ronaldo, Pjanic so many great players we tried to transfer
i think Juventus have made a really good effort to keep it strong and im happy to be Juventus fan
gone are the days of Amauri
we had players like Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, what more than that can you do? we were superior to all the other clubs except Barcelona we should simply continue to keep it strong as we already was and i believe Juventus are managing to do it
Dybala, Bernardeschi, Higuain, Ronaldo, Pjanic so many great players we tried to transfer
i think Juventus have made a really good effort to keep it strong and im happy to be Juventus fan
gone are the days of Amauri
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Dybala sure knows how to kick the ball
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