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Post by Nishankly on Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:57 pm

Hate NT breaks, will lose momentum before a crucial month and hopefully no injuries. The UEFA nations scrubs is also a farce, way to go to make irrelevant breaks more competitive.

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Post by Art Morte on Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:20 pm

Don't know what Fabinho could bring to this team right now, hopefully he'll hit the ground running, but we've got plenty of CMs right now.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:59 am

I still think starting Henderson or Wijnaldum leaves something to be desired and Fabinho will come in and do that.
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:05 am

@Nishankly wrote:I still think starting Henderson or Wijnaldum leaves something to be desired and Fabinho will come in and do that.

Same, I think this too. Henderson and Wijnaldum are good players which can come in and do a shift but they just aren't consistent enough, and if we want to challenge for titles we need consistent players. I hope we can get that consistency with Fabinho and Keita in midfield.

I like Henderson because he is a great professional always gives his all and loves the club, but we can't rely on him week in week out. Henderson, like Wijnaldum had some great games last season but they also had some really disappointing ones. Thats why we have depth now, if any player is not in form, he can easily be replaced.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:07 am

Going forward I know come November it'll be

Fabinho
Keita CM

The way its going, the CM spot is Milner. Henderson just signed a new long term deal but I don't want him starting every week currently, if he can make the position his own then its fine.
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:10 am

We need more control and balance in our midfield which Fabinho could potentially bring. We looked much more comfortable in midfield when Keita went in vs Leiceister, also adding Fabinho to that midfield and I think it can turn out quite good.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:13 am

@BusterLfc wrote:We need more control and balance in our midfield which Fabinho could potentially bring. We looked much more comfortable in midfield when Keita went in vs Leiceister, also adding Fabinho to that midfield and I think it can turn out quite good.


I've missed the last two games because of work and time zone issues, I noticed Keita was playing too wide even though he was CM in the initial games, I also noticed how Mane at RW fell back more quickly than Keita during the initial two games, I understand he's just starting here.

did you notice the same?
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:27 am

Yeah tbf Keita had a bad game vs Brighton that's probably why he was benched vs Leiceister but he brought energy once he came in. For sure he still needs to learn how to move without the ball in Klopp's system but it will come with time I think.

Damn I remember Henderson when he was playing a box to box CM in 2013/14 when we challenged for title, he was really good that season, was running a lot Very Happy . When you think of it, Henderson played a lot of positions for us, he first started as a winger when he came from Sunderland, then he was a box to box CM and finally he moved into a deep role at DM.

Ofcourse he can't be compared to Gerrard, but Gerrard also played everywhere Very Happy as second striker, right wing, AM, CM, then moved to DM as a deep lying playmaker.

Most of our CMs were wingers or AMs before Klopp lmao, Henderson was RW first, Milner-RW, Wijnaldum-AM/LW, Lallana-AM, Ox-RW, and now they all CM/DM lmao, Milner was even LB
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:41 am

Considering Henderson, I remember how he managed 15 G+A during the SAS era, but that when he was playing B2B. I have been vocal about Klopp internally sacrificing players (Milner, Hendo, Firmino etc) when he couldn't make the signings. Henderson was one playing DM when he's actually has more to offer ahead of the half line.

I still think Hendo should play ahead of the Half line and it was unreal that players like Wijnaldum and Can had more attacking duties than him when he was better than both of them, well it was for the betterment of the team. Lots disagree with me but I feel that's because they don't rate Hendo as much as i do.
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:22 am

Yeah maybe Wijnaldum should be a backup DM for Fabinho and Hendo moved back to CM, I really liked him as box to box that season he was great
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:27 am

Remember Flanagan was our starting LB that season LMAO, he was surprisingly good that season and then just fell into oblivion after that season. Our CB pairing was Sakho-Skrtel, Gleninho at RB and Mignolet in goal rofl
We conceded a shitload that season but scored an enormous amount to outscore our opponents, it's still probably my favourite season to date even if we didn't win in the end, no one expected us to be in top 4 that season let alone practically have the title in our hands. I remember the downfall started when Henderson got suspended in the City match that season and then we lost to Chelsea and Palace comeback happened without Hendo
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:29 am

Next is UEFA league of frauds, then we got matches with spurs and psg :fishing: shit is about to get interesting
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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:01 pm

Damn, I rewatched some videos and I remembered how good Henderson was in 2013/14 and 2014/15 as a box to box CM. @Nishankly I seriously don't know why Klopp is only playing him as a DM, he could be more useful as a CM.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:16 pm

@Nishankly wrote:Hate NT breaks, will lose momentum before a crucial month and hopefully no injuries. The UEFA nations scrubs is also a farce, way to go to make irrelevant breaks more competitive.


In this case it's ok IMO as you didn't have any momentum. Last games were very poor and the team was struggling
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Post by iftikhar on Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:27 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Nishankly wrote:Hate NT breaks, will lose momentum before a crucial month and hopefully no injuries. The UEFA nations scrubs is also a farce, way to go to make irrelevant breaks more competitive.


In this case it's ok IMO as you didn't have any momentum. Last games were very poor and the team was struggling
True. But the players/Klopp won't be able to work/sort out during these two week which would have been crucial given the the schedule that follows.

Also, factor in the fatigue (god forbid any injuries) and it's really an unwelcome period.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:06 pm

Winning games through pure grit is something we have not seen, it was a beautiful month.

Lallana injured and returns to Melwood. Ffs already.
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Post by iftikhar on Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:02 pm

@Nishankly wrote:Winning games through pure grit is something we have not seen, it was a beautiful month.

Lallana injured and returns to Melwood. Ffs already.
We should off-load this chap in January Window for whatever decent money we can get.
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Post by BusterLfc on Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:07 am

Henderson signed a new long term deal, great news! Thumbs up
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Post by BusterLfc on Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:14 am

Mane's contract is the problem now, he hasn't signed a new deal yet. His current contract runs down in 2021. The club is trying to sign him long term since July but Mane for some reasons didn't sign it yet.
I feel like he is one of those players that would push to leave if Real or Barca wanted to purchase him. I think he will try to leave if we don't win a major trophy this season.


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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:36 am

@BusterLfc wrote:Mane's contract is the problem now, he hasn't signed a new deal yet. His current contract runs down in 2020. The club is trying to sign him long term since July but Mane for some reasons didn't sign it yet.
I feel like he is one of those players that would push to leave if Real or Barca wanted to purchase him. I think he will try to leave if we don't win a major trophy this season.


For reasons of negotiating a higher salary, would be some reasons coming to mind.
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Post by Helmer on Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:43 am

As Nish said Henderson and Wij can not operate without a quality midfield player around them. So it was stupid of Klopp to play them together against Leicester. It is sad thar Ox is injured otherwise it would have been brilliant to have Ox in this team as a furthest midfielder among 3.

Well right now it should be,


Fabinho / Wijnaldum
Hendo/Milner/Keita Ox/Keita/Lallana

We need midfield combination which complements each other. So Hendo, Milner and Wij is the worst combination of all the available MF that we have at the moment.

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Post by Helmer on Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:45 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@BusterLfc wrote:Mane's contract is the problem now, he hasn't signed a new deal yet. His current contract runs down in 2020. The club is trying to sign him long term since July but Mane for some reasons didn't sign it yet.
I feel like he is one of those players that would push to leave if Real or Barca wanted to purchase him. I think he will try to leave if we don't win a major trophy this season.


For reasons of negotiating a higher salary, would be some reasons coming to mind.

I also think the same. Probably he wants to prove this season that he is as good as Salah and tell the club that I also want something on the similar note as the other top earners at the club.

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Post by BusterLfc on Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:23 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@BusterLfc wrote:Mane's contract is the problem now, he hasn't signed a new deal yet. His current contract runs down in 2020. The club is trying to sign him long term since July but Mane for some reasons didn't sign it yet.
I feel like he is one of those players that would push to leave if Real or Barca wanted to purchase him. I think he will try to leave if we don't win a major trophy this season.


For reasons of negotiating a higher salary, would be some reasons coming to mind.

Yes but Klopp and other Liverpool staff have been saying they want to sign Mane long term for over 6 months already, it doesn't take that long to negotiate if only salary is the problem. Maybe Mane just wants to win trophies, that's why I said maybe he is waiting this season to see if Liverpool win any major trophies and then decide his future. With Salah and Firmino signing new contracts you would hope Mane would follow and sign it too, but then again he did force his move to Liverpool, so I would not be surprised if he does the same thing for Barca or Real in a year or two. I think the Emre Can saga is still fresh in people's minds. He was "in talks" for a new contract for like two years and he ended up leaving on a free. Not saying that's what's happening here, but no one of us knows for sure what Mane is thinking.
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Post by BusterLfc on Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:34 am

Also, this is what Mane said in the summer when there were rumours about Real wanting him:
"I am very happy in Liverpool and my contract will last for three more years, but you never know what will happen in the future. I want to win trophies, especially the Champions League."

That's why I think he is probably waiting a year or two and if he doesn't win the PL or CL he might want to leave.
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Post by Nishankly on Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:06 pm

Mane will leave us before the end of his prime, its in his DNA to jump ships.
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Post by Helmer on Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:36 pm

If he wants to leave the club by 2020, I am fine with that. Unless we receive a crazy offer for him, we can keep hold of him till the end of his contract and I would like that club keeps him instead of bending to his wishes just in case he demands to leave.

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