Re: The Official Dwayne Wade <<<<<< you thread

by Luca Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:31 pm

If Kawhi is the make or break piece in signing LeBron and George/Chris Paul then absolutely, you must go for it

However, if the Lakers miss out on LeBron then they may as well wait a season and sign Kawhi in free agency next summer, but could still take Paul George on now

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:25 am

Update from this morning’s story. The Lakers re-engaged the Spurs Wednesday in aggressively pursuing Kawhi Leonard. Story w/ @wojespn coming shortly on ESPN. This is the first contact between the teams since the Spurs “shut the door” on them after an initial call.
— Ramona Shelburne (@ramonashelburne) June 28, 2018

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:26 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Update from this morning’s story. The Lakers re-engaged the Spurs Wednesday in aggressively pursuing Kawhi Leonard. Story w/ @wojespn coming shortly on ESPN. This is the first contact between the teams since the Spurs “shut the door” on them after an initial call.
— Ramona Shelburne (@ramonashelburne) June 28, 2018

I pray to god something can be done without gutting everything.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:31 am

that's asking for 2 miracles at the same time

1) that the spurs trade Kawhi to the lakers
2) that spurs dont gut the team to let him go

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:33 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:that's asking for 2 miracles at the same time

1) that the spurs trade Kawhi to the lakers
2) that spurs dont gut the team to let him go

It's not a miracle when Magic has said he won't gut the team. It's about being competitive for a long time.

Spurs don't have that much leverage as a lot of people seem to think.

Look at similar trades: The Butler and PG trades. I'd say Brandon Ingram at this point would've been the most valuable piece in any of these trades at the point.

Spurs are asking for too much, and giving in would be idiotic, when no team is willing to trade for the player.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:47 am

Conversations with other teams have not stopped from what we hear and then you always have one team like OKC that will take the flyer on Kawhi in hopes they will convince him overtime.

let's be honest, OKC is doing just that with PG13 right now. Unless he is doing it for show like Griezmann, he is basically giving hopes to teams that it's not such a desperate move.

As far as the trade, if it's Ingram + pick for Kawhi then great, but i think they will ask for both Ingram and Kuzma + picks and whatever else. and then you have to shed Deng's contract. which asset do you give up for that?

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:58 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Conversations with other teams have not stopped from what we hear and then you always have one team like OKC that will take the flyer on Kawhi in hopes they will convince him overtime.

let's be honest, OKC is doing just that with PG13 right now. Unless he is doing it for show like Griezmann, he is basically giving hopes to teams that it's not such a desperate move.

As far as the trade, if it's Ingram + pick for Kawhi then great, but i think they will ask for both Ingram and Kuzma + picks and whatever else. and then you have to shed Deng's contract. which asset do you give up for that?

Ingram + Kuzma + Deng + 2x 1st and 2nd round picks would be the ideal trade if he's healthy.

Lonzo is the only one I wouldn't trade under any circumstances though. Ingram is going to be a star, and I hate having to part with him...

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:02 am

But even then it might be too much to give for Lakers.

Just remember what OKC gave up for PG.

They gave nothing at the time in Oladipo and Sabonis. Those assets weren't as valuable as anything Lakers would give now. That Oladipo surprised everyone just makes people think Spurs could somehow get more. But at the time the trade was seen as a 30c on the dollar deal for Pacers.

Disgruntled stars never result in 1:1 returns

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:07 am

Relevant trades to compare in the last few years

Kyrie trade:

Boston: Isaiah Thomas, Brooklyn 1st rounder, Jae Crowder
Cleveland: Kyrie Irving
––
Demarcus Cousins:

Kings: Demarcus Cousins, Casspi
Pelicans: Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Gallaway, 2017 1st round pick
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Paul George:

Pacers: Paul George
OKC: Oladipo, Sabonis
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Jimmy Butler:

Bulls: Jimmy Butler, Justin Patton (no.16)
Minnesota: Lavine, Kris Dunn, Markennen (no.7)

Not exactly crazy value.

I think Lakers are offering a very little to Spurs, and that's why the deal isn't done yet.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:43 am

Report is that they want more than the frame of the PG and Kyrie trade.

but at least they seem to be negotiating. I think/hope this will happen

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:02 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Report is that they want more than the frame of the PG and Kyrie trade.

but at least they seem to be negotiating. I think/hope this will happen

More than Kyrie trade could be a can of tomatoes at this point though Laughing

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:46 am

Freeza wrote:Relevant trades to compare in the last few years

Kyrie trade:

Boston: Isaiah Thomas, Brooklyn 1st rounder, Jae Crowder
Cleveland: Kyrie Irving
––
Demarcus Cousins:

Kings: Demarcus Cousins, Casspi
Pelicans: Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Gallaway, 2017 1st round pick
–––
Paul George:

Pacers: Paul George
OKC: Oladipo, Sabonis
–––
Jimmy Butler:

Bulls: Jimmy Butler, Justin Patton (no.16)
Minnesota: Lavine, Kris Dunn, Markennen (no.7)

Not exactly crazy value.

I think Lakers are offering a very little to Spurs, and that's why the deal isn't done yet.

Comparing Spurs front office to Sacremento, Cleveland, Chicago and Indiana isn't a good idea.

I guarantee you if Kawhi is traded it will be for a lot more than any of these trades were.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:03 pm

Sources on ESPN: Oklahoma City Thunder star Paul George informs franchise that he is not opting into final year of his contract and will become an unrestricted free agent. https://t.co/skRquzhnjb
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 28, 2018

Lakers are back baby, we made it Freeza

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:08 pm

He might go there but opting out means nothing, even Durant will opt out and we know he's going nowhere.

It's just a means of getting more money.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:08 pm

You are right, I got so excited I came here right away...

Laughing

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:36 pm

Tbf to you there's more of a chance of it happening than there isn't.

by Luca Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:29 pm

Spurs will certainly not be fleeced in the Kawhi trade, it's going to be overpay or stay.

Hart, Kuzma, Ingram (2/3) + picks

And you won't just get Kawhi, you'll get a Danny Green/Pau Gasol with him which you'll then have to dump or keep

by Luca Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:01 pm

Stephen A Smith is claiming that LeBron James reached out to Kevin Durant about coming to the Lakers

oh lord, we just keep getting better @freeza

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:02 pm

Luca wrote:Spurs will certainly not be fleeced in the Kawhi trade, it's going to be overpay or stay.

Hart, Kuzma, Ingram (2/3) + picks

And you won't just get Kawhi, you'll get a Danny Green/Pau Gasol with him which you'll then have to dump or keep

Yeah as if we’ll take on the worst contract while giving more value.

We’re not gonna gut our team to get Kawhi. Just going to let Spurs fry and get nothing. Then they’ll trade Kawhi to someone for 10 cents on the dollar

by Luca Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:08 pm

But that someone will be some shit team out East like the Nets or Knicks

It's not gutting your team for Kawhi, it is gutting the team for Kawhi, LeBron and Paul George

by El Gunner Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:09 pm

Luca wrote:Stephen A Smith is claiming that LeBron James reached out to Kevin Durant about coming to the Lakers

oh lord, we just keep getting better @freeza

Stephen A lies a lot.

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:13 pm

Luca wrote:But that someone will be some shit team out East like the Nets or Knicks

It's not gutting your team for Kawhi, it is gutting the team for Kawhi, LeBron and Paul George

No it isn’t. I’d were to take on a trash contract it’s trading Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma 2x 1st round picks for Kawhi and Gasol. Would be the worst trade in recorded history trading your entire core for a single year contract.

Same thing happened with Melo in New York.

LeBron is coming either way.

I’d rather just wait it out again.

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:14 pm

Everyone seems to forget combining drafting and FAs is the best way to get sustainable success.

You can’t get that if you’re trading away everyone.

by El Gunner Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:16 pm

Wait wait and the wave will flow right passed before your eyes, Freeze.

Take tips from the Oakland City Warriors front office, we made MOVES!

by Freeza Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:19 pm

El Gunner wrote:Wait wait and the wave will flow right passed before your eyes, Freeze.

Take tips from the Oakland City Warriors front office, we made MOVES!

You didn’t make a move Laughing

You got Durant because he preferred you.

You never ever gave up an asset. Never.

Stop acting like you’ve been here.

If anything you should argue we should wait. Remember when you chose not to trade Klay for Kevin Love when it seemed a smart choice?
That’s the situation we’re in right now.
Except we’re expected to give up 3-4 players apparently.

by Luca Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:44 pm

So you have the chance to get LeBron, Kawhi and Paul George, two top 5 players and a top 20 player but you would prefer to see Ingram, Hart and Randle develop?

I don't see the upside in waiting as LeBron is 33 years old. I mean, sure, he's carried bigger scrubs than the current Lakers' team and will probably have Paul George initially too, but those three provide a legitimate shot at a championship [assuming they get some half decent bench options].

Anyways, we'll see what happens over the next few days

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