Re: 2017/18 English Football League Carabao Cup and FA Cup thread

by RealGunner Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Wenger earlier this morning throwing shade at Spurs and Liverpool

“You celebrate some teams who have not been in a final for 25 years and yet you kill us even though we have won the FA Cup three times in the last four years. We have to live with that.”

by Firenze Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:04 pm

he's right too

I guess you have more expectations as a club that have actually won stuff in the last decade though

barring a flukey CL, Loserpool havent been relevant since I was born, Arsenal are a PL great and I don't even know who played for Spurs before the Ginola era tbh

by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:04 pm

I would kill for some Toblerone right now

just like kids got killed for Toblerone on the streets of Basel back in the day

by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:05 pm

RealGunner wrote:Wenger earlier this morning throwing shade at Spurs and Liverpool

“You celebrate some teams who have not been in a final for 25 years and yet you kill us even though we have won the FA Cup three times in the last four years. We have to live with that.”

well, he's right

by Jay29 Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:05 pm

Would like to say that Monreal is our second best player after Ozil.

100% win record since his return from injury.

by RealGunner Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:06 pm

Agreed

by Firenze Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:06 pm

Jay29 wrote:Would like to say that Monreal is our second best player after Ozil.

100% win record since his return from injury.

inb4 Barca come sniffing around for him

by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:06 pm

Yes Monreal is amazing

And a walking reminder you should never give up on players

by Unique Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:09 pm

Liverpool should sign ozil. he does nothing in the big games but we win them anyway its a Swansea bully boy typ that we need cheers

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:27 pm

Firenze wrote:
Jay29 wrote:Would like to say that Monreal is our second best player after Ozil.

100% win record since his return from injury.

inb4 Barca come sniffing around for him

Too smart for them.

by urbaNRoots Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:35 pm

Unique wrote:Liverpool should sign ozil. he does nothing in the big games but we win them anyway its a Swansea bully boy typ that we need

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by Unique Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:43 am

urbaNRoots wrote:
Unique wrote:Liverpool should sign ozil. he does nothing in the big games but we win them anyway its a Swansea bully boy typ that we need

by Nishankly Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:37 am

Firenze wrote:he's right too

I guess you have more expectations as a club that have actually won stuff in the last decade though

barring a flukey CL, Loserpool havent been relevant since I was born, Arsenal are a PL great and I don't even know who played for Spurs before the Ginola era tbh

Whoz Granola?

by CBarca Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:00 am

I don't really agree.

What would happen if Man U became perennial fourth place challengers, to eventually falling out of the top four, followed by their best players leaving, while putting out worse teams year after year? Without looking like they were headed for an upswing? Oh, but they won the FA cup a couple times within a couple years...

You think the media wouldn't be destroying them? What about City or Chelsea doing the same thing?

These teams have all had their dips, sure, but they've come back. Meanwhile Arsenal are slowly degrading into mediocrity in the league and CL (and have been doing for more than a decade now). The only redeeming quality is their FA cup wins. And sure, that should be celebrated, but FA Cups simply aren't as valued as they used to be. It's still a valuable cup competition that means something to fans, and Wenger should absolutely be celebrated for his success in the competition over the years, but within the larger context of the last 13 years or so, it looks a bit like a consolation prize.

Meanwhile their forever inferior neighbors look more impressive, look more optimistic, and look like they have a brighter future, after being in the realm of mediocrity and irrelevancy forever (whether that image will translate into a reality is yet to be seen). Of course the media is light on them in comparison, the media is used to them finishing 5th or 6th every year. A historic yeartypically is one where they finish fourth...

People have high expectations for Arsenal that they don't for Spurs (and Pool, I guess, I found the comment directed mostly at Spurs tbh). Arsene should deserve credit for setting those high expectations but also needs to accept the criticism that comes with not maintaining that standard. I don't think an FA cup every other year cuts it anymore as "high expectations".

Point out any Arsenal fans to me that say "an FA cup and the season is set". This victim mentality looks honestly a bit pathetic from Wenger imo.

Wenger is absolutely correct in a vacuum where you judge Spurs, Pool, and Arsenal without the expectations placed on them. That's not the reality of the world though.