Unique wrote:

rincon wrote:There is a difference between debating, like you are doing right now with that post, and the kind of posts that get you or others warnings and bans.

not once have I or the other 2 as far as I know have attacked anyone on the forum with personal insults. We don't use rude cuss words. We don't make threats to harm anyone. We don't encourage people to do harm to others. We don't call people racist names. So I'm not sure what rules we are breaking tbh.

Tbh since you came back from the ban I haven't thought you have broken any rules or insulted anyone. The other two on the other hand...

Unique, I thought people generally accepted these days that an ideology/religion should not bear the lion-share of blame where its principles do not lead to 99% of its followers to carry out acts of violence/terrorism..

Isn't this dialogue getting a bit boring?

Unique wrote:when the admin will only allow opinions they agree with.

True. The truth is feared, I can sense it. Ironic is that you dock people who disagree with you, just as Putin orders assasination of his opposition.

If people could be half as assertive, you would have prevented the attacks.

But the problem is people are afraid to speak up, or get silenced. And then you get terrorized and wonder how did this happen. You let it happen, you (as the entire country) have the blood on your hands.

Do not confuse hate speech with speech that you hate.

What you said is that Muslims are rapists.

Akin to Trump re Mexicans.

Basically, you're an idiot.

Myesyats wrote:

Unique wrote:when the admin will only allow opinions they agree with.

True. The truth is feared, I can sense it. Ironic is that you dock people who disagree with you, just as Putin orders assasination of his opposition.

If people could be half as assertive, you would have prevented the attacks.

But the problem is people are afraid to speak up, or get silenced. And then you get terrorized and wonder how did this happen. You let it happen, you (as the entire country) have the blood on your hands.

Do not confuse hate speech with speech that you hate.

To be fair you should rightfully be banned based on the
http://www.goallegacy.net/t40359-petition-to-ban-psg-fans

Met Police pay tribute to the officer killed in the #Westminster attack - PC Keith Palmer, 48, a husband and father pic.twitter.com/jztd0KCVIA

— Sky News (@SkyNews) March 22, 2017

True hero

RIP Keith Palmer.

I want to know if people think it is still appropriate to have unarmed uniformed police officers in London? I certainly wouldn't want to be one.

RIP.

Peccadillo wrote:What you said is that Muslims are rapists.

Akin to Trump re Mexicans.

Basically, you're an idiot.

but did he say Muslims are rapists or did he say the rapists were Muslim because there is a massive difference.

Peccadillo wrote:I want to know if people think it is still appropriate to have unarmed uniformed police officers in London? I certainly wouldn't want to be one.

RIP.

Well, there is an argument to both cases. Armed police officers will result in easier access to guns for the criminals which can be used by them(i.e subduing the police officer and accessing his gun) to cause a larger number of casualties. However a guy running with a machete can be stopped using the said gun before he kills anyone. It goes both ways.

Considering UK is still largely a safe country (we have had 2 incidents like this in the last 10 years), I don't think there will be any debate regarding more armed police officers just yet, however there will definitely be increase in the armed units patrolling the city. Specially more sensitive areas.

Peccadillo wrote:I want to know if people think it is still appropriate to have unarmed uniformed police officers in London? I certainly wouldn't want to be one.

RIP.

I've seen armed police at blue water shopping centre so how was the police unarmed today. It's crazy

Peccadillo wrote:What you said is that Muslims are rapists.

Akin to Trump re Mexicans.

Basically, you're an idiot.

You said that just now. Me? Never.

Spoiler:

The multicultural dream is not so beautiful, is it?

Also, apparently, calling someone an idiot after making up things doesnt violate the forum's rules. That's nice.

Hapless_Hans wrote:
To be fair you should rightfully be banned based on the
http://www.goallegacy.net/t40359-petition-to-ban-psg-fans

Well, I cannot oppose that. Democracy has prevailed once again, and the majority has spoken out. I don't think we have a choice.

Firenze wrote:

can see these being on every street in the near future in major cities and towns

I don't know about every street, but I already see these plenty in major cities

FFS

Some MP on BBC "There's not much we can do when it involves cars and kitchen appliances"

Not a 100% accurate quote but that's what he said.

Cars, fair enough. Where roads meet pedestrians you can't realistically prevent that stuff.


Kitchen appliances... Knives...



WHY ARE OUR POLICE OFFICERS OUTSIDE WESTMINSTER UNARMED?

Houses of parliament must be 2nd/3rd most important/symbolic target in the UK after Buckingham palace and maybe No. 10. And they can't take one man out of the armed response units based there and stick him on the entrance.

We're such a soft county, were we not an Island we'd be an even bigger target.

Pathetic. One guy with brandishing a knife shouldn't get within 50M of the building.

Theresa May has told Parliament that the Westminster attacker was a British citizen who was known to police and security services.





In a statement in the House of Commons, the Prime Minister said the attacker was a "peripheral" figure who had once been investigated by MI5 over concerns about violent extremism.

She said: "His identity is known to the police and MI5 and when operational considerations allow, he will be publicly identified.

"What I can confirm is that the man was British-born and that some years ago he was once investigated by MI5 in relation to concerns about violent extremism.

"He was a peripheral figure. The case is historic. He was not part of the current intelligence picture.

watching news from the commons this morning made me so angry I had to turn off the tv and go out for a walk. there was one MP that said someone had left a message at the scene saying the terrorist can do what they want to us and we will just drink tea and carry on. he had the front to say that with pride. I mean these are the people that are meant to be protecting people. policeman is stabbed to death. children are being run over. a mother got killed on the way to pick her kids up from school and this idiot is proud to say do what you like and we will drink tea and carry on. maybe he should visit the kids that no longer have a mother and say hey kids. don't worry about your mum have a cup of tea and carry on. there is no words that describe how angry people like him make me. infact he makes me more mad than the scum bag that did it.

Here's more information from Sky sources on Masood:

· Born in Kent but most recently living in West Midlands

· Married father of three who gave occupation as English teacher

· Range of previous convictions but none related to terrorism

· Religious convert and bodybuilding enthusiast

^ More information here

London attack: Police identify Westminster attacker

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39372154

RealGunner wrote:^ More information here

London attack: Police identify Westminster attacker

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39372154

the reports that he is a English teacher cant be true. he would not get a teaching job with his criminal record.

Nah you can still get a job depending on how long it has been and how minor the crime was. That's not really an issue

The issue is that he was born and raised in the UK. Wasn't a refugee, nor a foreigner nor an immigrant. As British as me and you.

And yet he became an extremist.

As good as our intelligence system is. It's hard to prevent something like this. As firenze mentioned before, this required as minimum planning as possible without much tech involved so no chance of getting caught.

How do we prevent this in the future?

RealGunner wrote:Nah you can still get a job depending on how long it has been and how minor the crime was. That's not really an issue

The issue is that he was born and raised in the UK. Wasn't a refugee, nor a foreigner nor an immigrant. As British as me and you.

And yet he became an extremist.

As good as our intelligence system is. It's hard to prevent something like this. As firenze mentioned before, this required as minimum planning as possible without much tech involved so no chance of getting caught.

How do we prevent this in the future?

being a refugee a foreigner or a immigrant or where your born has nothing to do with why they do it.

Why do they do it? Why did this guy do it?

Troubled History. Religious extremist convert, same old story and one that will never end. Like I said, impossible to stop things like this. Someone disillusioned with life wakes up one day and decides to end their life and take other people with them. Takes a stroll into their kitchen, rents a car and suddenly you're capable of ending multiple lives within a few minutes.

ISIS claimed responsibility

In other news: ISIS claimed reponsibility for my mom's burned pork chop

Myesyats wrote:ISIS claimed responsibility

In other news: ISIS claimed reponsibility for my mom's burned pork chop

lmao that's exactly it

They gain notoriety and world villaindom by appropriating every terror act anyone on the world does, and by lending their name and support to every unstable psycho who wants to hurt people.
To call them unpolitical amok acts would be downplaying IS's influence and the relevance of islamic extremism, but to call them actual politically or religiously motivated, coordinated terror acts would be to completely overestimate them.

That's why the whole thing is so hard to grasp.

As a liberal I have to say and I might get some heat for it but I will do it anyhow. Here's what I think we need today the most, we need renaissance in Islam, it's long overdue. Every religion got nutjobs,Christians got them Hindus got them and upto some extent every other religion got them. But due to the fact that every other major religion has undergone renaissance there is a strong front who continuously neutralize​s these wackos.
   The problem we are facing today is two fold, firstly there is a rise of  terrorist organisations and second and most important is the rise of right wing goat feckers like Borris and Trump which is as dangerous as the first one.The first one is killing innocent people and second one is scaring them and getting the political mileage out of it. Is it a coincidence that every major country is either opting for right wing​ leaders or in process to do so?
  The Kautilya, our own Machievelli used to say that if  u want to rule people make them believe that there exist some monster out there who is going to kill you in near future and then convince them that you are the only one who can save them from it. Isn't same thing happening today?  For Islamic terrorists that monster is west and for right wing conservatives it is Islamic terrorist organisations.
  Hence the responsibility lies on the well educated Muslims, who really doesn't have anything​ to do with it. but you have to own this one brothers. There need to be wholesale revamps like it happened with Christianity and Hinduism.  There has to be the pressure group that will act as a buffer to these extremists. Let me once again clearify that I am in no capacity blaming it on you, only a ignorant moron would do so but someone needs to take out the garbage. Islam needs to find​ the school of thought, the counterforce that will strelize the virus called terrorism which is slowly spreading in its body. If we don't have that in near future I believe the things are going to be much worse.