rwo power wrote:Here's a German language newsticker:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article157265491/Tatverdaechtiger-stirbt-nach-Sprengstoff-Attentat-in-Ansbach.html

They write now, too, that he wanted to get into the Open Air festival, but he was turned away as he had no ticket. I guess this saved a lot of lives then.

It’s happened very close to where my sister live, shit.
Anyway the situation is bad, also for the amount of jackals to wallow on it , taking the game to isis that aims on islamist segregation to expand its consent.  It’s not a mystery that the Isis propaganda can get a greater appeal on who has the mental weakness, and the identity of the aggressor testifies it too.
on the real battlefield,  the State of Isis  is reduced like the Third Reich  in 1945 , but it keeps still a great media power and so it gave   the green light to their various lone wolves  on European territory and atm these lone wolves look like  uncontrollable  unfortunately. These represent the extreme difensive actions acted by Isis.

Frankly,   munchen has nothing to do with a “middle Eastern background” . it’s the  typical case of ‘ copycate crime’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime. We live in a period of massive confusion linked to great echo due to gunfire / explosions in a group, and these are copied from single   to achieve the same echo for his own actions.
But basically, talking for my country Italy, here daily we have violent crimes (also made by foreigners), but noone connects them to acts of terrorism,  simply because  they don’t have nothing to do with the terrorist aspect Same was was for Munchen.

About the refugee who    got exploded himself ,of course it’s different. It’s the basis of isis strategy.
It consists on creating a false illusion of hope based on a false dichotomy of "us vs. them  , so as to get an ( empty ) sense of belonging towards something greater than them , through  the adherence to the "religious"  ideals    who try to bring forward.
The segregation , the intollerance, the racism towards the Islamists and Middle East/North African ppl is , however, the main factor to develop the ISIS, because it can push most segregated ppl to embrace the street of terrorism , always following the dichotomy of “ us vs them”.
For this  reason I talked about  the dangers represented by amount of jackals to wallow on it, and it’s not a casual reference if I think we ‘ ll have the presidential elections in Austria, exactly close   Germany, with the FPO ( extreme right wing ) ready  to close  borders and every sort of assistance towards the refugees.

rwo power wrote:What I find rich is that there are voices from the US (Trump accrding to German media, I haven't seen a direct quote yet though) saying that it is all Germany's fault as we took in the refugees.

No single word that it was originally the US who were responsible for destabilising the region so much that so many people had to flee. But of course they are nicely far away and don't have to cope with those refugees whom a human with compassion can't rightfully turn down.

After all, no person in his or her right mind would take up a several thousand kilometres odyssey without their belongings and carrying along little and bigger children to find safety somewhere. That there can be bad apples among them - it is the same with every population. But this cannot be the reason to turn down the most vulnerable who have virtually nothing anymore.

After WWII, there were millions of Germans on the flight, too, and if they wouldn't have gotten help, they would not have survived either. My grandma told me of her ordeals when she fled many thousand kilometres from Berlin through Silesia and Poland until they found a place back in Germany - incidentally in Ansbach! (My father was very shocked as he lived in Ansbach for many years after they settled down there some years after the war).

Oh, and by the way, if I look at things cynical, one could say that the ISIS related culprits were comparatively ineffective as the big death these days toll was actually caused by a deranged kid and a guy who snapped over an argument.

The matter of Heimatvertriebene no ?
I studied the whole history of postwar Germany for University thesis.
Actually it's a good example of past atrocity that should serve as lesson for the present.
But men usually don't learn from past, and the same Austria is a current example of it.

Surely Germany is a positive example for it , I believe a good number of Italian that try the exonerate some thing made by fascism should take example from Germans. It took time to face  the atrocist  past,because it was a taboo subject until 60's,  but then it worked.  
The matter of refugees show how much is changed the country,and  it is the same for Italy that is exposed , for geographic issue,to landings from Africa every day but noone never thought to refused them , unlike of countries like Malta or even the socialist Zapatero.... in our case the fascism burned us so much that we accept a subordinate role almost as a matter moral, both NATO and EU.

About Germany, I think the vergangenheitsbewältigung worked expecially in the West , because the DDR never faced the  problem not being (nay, they said so ) heir of the Third Reich , and infact imo ( but I leave the question to Germans, surely more informed than me about it ) it's a bit worrying the growth of neonazi cells exactly where there was the DDR.
And it is a process that were having every state that had a communist regime.

Hungary - for contining the matter of Eastern refugees - is governed by Orban , that is even the moderat expression of that country (and that's enough). Because the alternative are the Jobbik ( the neonazi party ) who get the 20 % . Dreadful.