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Post by Neutropin Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:13 pm

Milk is germany's 12th player apparently. Wow he killed Poland on so many chances

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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:16 pm

Really? Because Hummels and Boateng did nothing..?
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Post by Cruijf Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:17 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Did you guys watch the same game I did? Because it doesn't sound like it.



What exactly do you disagree about? That Poland had the better chances? That's fairly indisputable.
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Post by S Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:26 pm

Germany's defense was good. Boateng was amazing especially. Its just that Poland opened up Germany's defense more times than vice-versa. With the chances Milik got, you should be putting the ball in the back of the net at this level.
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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:31 pm

Yeah I disagree. Will elaborate tomorrow because drunk AF and in a pub on my POS phone.
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Post by S Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:39 pm

There is nothing to dispute here imo. Germany hardly created anything apart from that Götze chance in the 1st half who shot straight at the keeper. There were no clear cut chances created after that and Germany were mostly reduced to shooting outside the box.

I would say this is a game where both teams cancelled out each other with solid defending but Poland had two precious moments where they could've really make it count.

Both misses from Milik were comical to say the least.
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Post by futbol Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:43 pm

Hector and Höwedes as fullbacks and Götze as a striker. This country. rofl

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Post by Based Bonera Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:49 pm

FFS Milik. Crying or Very sad
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Post by S Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:50 pm

Chubby boy has regressed so badly

Wont be surprised if he were to be playing for RB Leipzig in 2.Bundesliga by the time the next world cup comes around (:
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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:51 pm

Götze is the worst and Löw is a *bleep* idiot
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Post by RealGunner Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:51 pm

Howedes is technically awful. No idea why Low is persistent on him starting at RB. It's like playing with 10 men. 9 men if you count Goetze.


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Post by S Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:54 pm

8 men with Draxler

Did he even play today? What was he even doing?
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Post by Lucifer Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:00 pm

Before match;
Hans: Low
Low: Hans
Hans: am pissed at u
Low: OK
Hans: I really want to punch you
Low: OK
Hans: promise me u won't put Gotze as striker against Poland
Low: OK
Hans: promise me u won't put howedes at RB against Poland
Low: OK
(Brief silence)
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Low: Hans
Hans: Low
Low: Can you......?
Hans: what?
Low: fondle my balls
Hans: OK


After Match,
Hans : Low
Low: Hans
Hans: ur douchebag
Low: yeah
Hans: u put Gotze as striker again!
Low: yeah
Hans: u put Howedes as RB again!
Low: yeah
Hans: u know how retarded is that?
Low: yeah
Hans: ur ass deserves to be sacked
Low: yeah
( brief silence)
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Low: Hans
Hans: Low
Low: can you.....?
Hans: fondle ur balls?
Low: yeah
Hans: yeah.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:10 pm

RealGunner wrote:Howedes is technically awful. No idea why Low is persistent on him starting at RB. It's like playing with 10 men. 9 men if you count Goetze.
It's a joke. A really really bad joke. Löw is a *bleep* moron, nothing more. A *bleep* moron that knows he's untouchable, even if he spends all game at the sidelines sniffing his own buttcrack.
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Post by rwo power Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:57 pm

RealGunner wrote:Very interesting match. Poland is full of quality. Although no idea why Fabianski is starting ahead of Szczesny.
Szczesny was injured.
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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:56 pm

Okay, what I disagree with in the terms of what has been said in this thread, and has been the immediate media reaction:

The media, and many in this thread, and this forum in general, love a good underdog story, and as such have framed this match in a way that basically goes "Germany either win this or are hugely embarrassed", which is already plain false.
Considering the state of the group, the prime directives for Germany were "don't lose" and "don't sustain injuries", because the third match of the group is against a scrub team.

Of course Germany wanted to win, any team always wants to win. But they wanted to not lose more. And they achieved that beautifully.

The defense was amazingly improved, compared to the Ukraine match. Poland basically had half a chance. And don't come at me with those squandered Milik chances.
You're not having a "great chance" for goal against Germany when Hummels or Boateng are still in front of you. "Only Boatengs last-ditch block stopped him" is a stupid sentence, it just means that a non-threatening forward was afforded a bit of space, and one of the CBs blocked his shot, just the way everyone expected it to go down.

If that was an awesome chance, so was the rebound Müller sent sky-high, or the volley-while-slipping Kroos sent wide.

Germany had more possession, won more tackles, had more interceptions, won more 1on1s, finished more passes, had more shots on goal, and had more attempts.

Poland are a very good team, and they managed to do f*ckall. And they refused to risk a thing. So Germany didn't get any space. Well f*ck you very much Poland, Germany weren't going to stupidly crowd your box and get countered the shit out of the tournament. They were like "well, 0-0 isn't exactly bad for us either tbh" and didn't risk anything.

I know this wasn't exactly a great match, and Löw is still a retard. But that doesn't mean he doesn't sometimes do some things right. The defense has looked great, Hummels and Boateng are amazing together.

Sure, Gomez needs to start, and it was shameful how even when Gomez came on, they kept crossing to midgets instead of aiming for one of the world's best 9s. But that's just Löw being Löw. The team didn't actually suck.

Höwedes was bad attacking, so what, he's always been bad at that. Yes, I would prefer starting someone like Can, but Löw is a moron.

Doesn't mean Poland were at any point close to winning this, or close to scoring. They weren't. It's a knee-jerk analysis because the underdog almost getting the top dog is a great narrative, and we want to hear it, want to believe it, and news outlets love to write it.

But it just wasn't true. Poland are the dark horses of the tournament and fielded the world's best striker. And they didn't have a single proper chance. Half a shot on goal. Good on them.

Frankly, Germany still don't look great, but they also don't look any worse than any other top team. And they still can improve a lot by just starting Gomez, and benching Draxler and Höwedes.

Just don't start Tah. I love the kid, but Leverkusen is f*cking cancer.

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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:01 pm

PS: Also, finishing 2nd in the group very likely means an easier quarter- and semi-final. Meta-tactics, boyo.
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Post by rwo power Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:09 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Just don't start Tah. I love the kid, but Leverkusen is f*cking cancer.
You really seem to be on to something here. Did you know that Arkadiusz Milik was a Leverkusen player for a short while, too? hmm
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Post by Based Bonera Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:11 pm

Lol @ Poland not being close to scoring

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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:17 pm

So what, Götze was completely free and shot straight at the keeper. How's that any worse than not even connecting with the cross?

Should it be 1-1, then, instead of 0-0 in your alternate universe where chances get converted?

That's not an unbelievable miss, it's not even a shot. He didn't reach the ball.
You can tell me that he would've gotten to the ball, if he had taken two more steps. But then what. Do our defenders in your imaginary scenario not get to take two steps?
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Post by Warrior Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:32 pm

I noticed today that Kroos is literally coaching some of his teammates while on offensive.

Gotze and Hector, particularly, were both out of position most of the time. They had to be displayed manually by Kroos who points them where they should be, therefore loosing the tempo and the element of surprise. Strange things to see from a German side who is so fluent normally... Draxler was also awful; glad we did not sign him last summer after all.

I still think Germany is gonna win the Euros, but they will need some major adjustments in their starting lineup.

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Post by Based Bonera Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:50 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:So what, Götze was completely free and shot straight at the keeper. How's that any worse than not even connecting with the cross?

Should it be 1-1, then, instead of 0-0 in your alternate universe where chances get converted?

That's not an unbelievable miss, it's not even a shot. He didn't reach the ball.
You can tell me that he would've gotten to the ball, if he had taken two more steps. But then what. Do our defenders in your imaginary scenario not get to take two steps?


What is "close to scoring" in your mind? Please explain to me. Maybe we have different views on that matter.
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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:04 pm

You know, shooting. The ball. At the goal. Missing narrowly, or forcing a great save, or having a last-ditch block occur.

Not just plain not managing to shoot. Or not reaching the ball. If that's "close to scoring", Germany had more opportunities where they were "close to scoring".
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Post by sportsczy Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:38 am

Poland miss 2 clear sitters... 1 of which is going to make the top 10 blunders of all time imo...  and they weren't close to scoring?  Come on man Laughing
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Post by CBarca Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:51 am

Dying from Lucifer atm

Hans to a T rofl
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Post by Valkyrja Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:24 am

They miss Reus badly imo. He's much better than any of there attackers bar Ozil
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