Re: Next Manager thread

[RealGunner]

Steve Bould one year until Allegri's contract runs out?

delete before someone sees

[El Gunner]

Mind I don't even know what Steve Bould can actually do

[RealGunner]

Chews gum and stares hard at the players.

[Jay29]

I'm really not keen on Ancelotti at all, not even as a stop gap. The process of transforming the squad from the complacent, unbalanced mess it currently is to something that could compete has to start now, and I'm not convinced Ancelotti can do that if stories of his time at Bayern are anything to go by. We need discipline and innovation, not another hands-off coach.

[Jay29]

Telegraph: Bould may not stay if Arteta is appointed, physio Colin Lewin set to be latest to be let go

[Chumlum]

Mind I don't even know what Steve Bould can actually do

Bouldie is actually a footballing genius who has a scintillating, effective & unorthodox 3-2-3-2 tactic that would get the best out of all of our players. His ideas would also revolutionize the game in terms of injury prevention and stamina. In his free time, he plays multi-dimensional chess, translates Maya myths into Sanskrit, and breeds miniature horses. But nobody ever gives him the time of day because everyone thinks he's just some defensive coach yes man. Unfortunate.

...  Now that Arteta seems to be the frontrunner, you could see why he's appealing to the board. He's obviously smart, professional, highly esteemed by peers, and has a history at Arsenal. If he does well, it looks like an unconventional master plan. But he won't have the same kind of leverage as an Allegri, and he would also make for a very easy scapegoat if things go wrong.

[Sina]

This is a good take on situation
https://le-grove.co.uk/2018/05/14/arsenal-leaning-towards-arteta-heres-why-thats-the-right-decision/

[Jay29]

Part of me wonders if the more established names like Enrique and Allegri were asking for a significant transfer budget to make sweeping changes right away, something the club can't or won't provide.

It's all conjecture in the end but I suspect the club are regarding themselves more as an Atletico Madrid/Borussia Dortmund type club now. They realise that financially they can't yet compete with City and United - a £60m signing is a huge strain on Arsenal's budget but those two can do them without any issue whatsoever. So they have to find an edge else where, hence the appointment of Mislintat as head of recruitment. I like to think Mislintat didn't arrive just so we could raid BVB and collect their former players. We want him and his team to find hidden value in a bloated market. And then we want a good head coach who can mould those talents and make a competitive team.

That's not to say they won't sign a big name player for big money. Rather, I think they're going to have to be selective about how they spend that budget, and that big £200m-£300m revamp of the squad that many are craving isn't going to happen. And Arsenal don't have a Coutinho, Suarez or Bale they can sell off to fund more signings if need be.

Who that head coach will be obviously depends on availability but if Naglesmann and Arteta are the frontrunners than it's clear they want someone they can embed in the club's new culture. Maybe they've seen Conte at Chelsea, and how his outspoken personality and public opinion about that club's management structure has created conflict.

[Hapless_Hans]

I'm going to say that probably it doesn't matter one tiny bit anyway, who's going to be the next manager.

It's basically more or less certain the first manager post-Wenger will fail massively anyway, as usual in such situations of a larger than life figure leaving.
There will be forces at play here bigger than any single manager or his skills and personality.

If you want to ruin Arteta before his career even gets started, why not.

[Unique]

Julian Nagelsmann will "100 per cent" be staying at Hoffenheim next season, amid interest from Arsenal, says the club's director of football Alexander Rosen.

Speaking to Sky in Germany, Rosen said: "Julian Nagelsmann will be our coach next season. 100 per cent."

Sky Sports News reported that Nagelsmann had emerged as a frontrunner to replace the outgoing Arsene Wenger, along with Mikel Arteta, who is now the favourite to become the next Arsenal boss.

[El Gunner]

I'm going to say that probably it doesn't matter one tiny bit anyway, who's going to be the next manager.

It's basically more or less certain the first manager post-Wenger will fail massively anyway, as usual in such situations of a larger than life figure leaving.
There will be forces at play here bigger than any single manager or his skills and personality.

If you want to ruin Arteta before his career even gets started, why not.

that's shitty reasoning.

[Unique]

I'm going to say that probably it doesn't matter one tiny bit anyway, who's going to be the next manager.

It's basically more or less certain the first manager post-Wenger will fail massively anyway, as usual in such situations of a larger than life figure leaving.
There will be forces at play here bigger than any single manager or his skills and personality.

If you want to ruin Arteta before his career even gets started, why not.

that's shitty reasoning.

hans was thinking about moyes and manure i think.

[Unique]

Patrick Vieira was left disappointed at Arsenal's 'token gesture' after being contacted about the vacant managerial position at the club, say Sky sources.

[Sina]

Something for City & Arsenal fans to enjoy here, I hope. A piece on Arteta's coaching methods and responsibilities at City, and the time Guardiola put him in charge for one game... against Arsenal https://t.co/l1HgE48P5y

— Sam Lee (@Sammy_Goal) May 15, 2018

[Hapless_Hans]

This is not really happening, is it

[Hapless_Hans]

This is a good take  on situation
https://le-grove.co.uk/2018/05/14/arsenal-leaning-towards-arteta-heres-why-thats-the-right-decision/

I'm sorry, but I think that this is an absolutely terrible piece of writing.

Starting off with the sentence "Arsene is OUT".. "OUT"?, all caps, really? That's what 'Arsene is'?

Then the next thing he does is base his whole judgement on Allegri on the premise of some story in The Sun.
What the hell. How can you base anything whatsoever on the Sun.
If you have to mention the Sun for anything other than to deal with the Sun as an object of inquiry itself, you're a failed writer.

the Juventus maestro is looking less and less likely by the day. Someone on his team leaked a story to The Sun that he’d look for a £200m transfer kitty to come to the club. Firstly, that’s never going to happen, secondly, what does that tell you about the way he operates?

Really? Someone on his team leaked to the Sun about a transfer kitty? That's what you base your deliberations on? How Allegri 'operates'?
Jesus. No need to add the word 'maestro' if you're going to type up such BS.


About the Arteta stuff, suffice it to say that pointing to Arteta's tenure as Arsenal captain as some sort of leadership gene is not very convincing.
And then the whole attempt to credit Arteta with Pep's success at City and combining that with references to Tesla and Apple's hiring strategies

Embarrasing.

OUT.

[urbaNRoots]

LeGrove is the trashiest Arsenal website there is, no surprise they want Arteta.

[rincon]

Allegri has never in his career had such a transfer budget and he is famous for not complaining about it. The criticism before was that he was too much of a yes-man at Milan. He also doesn't control the transfers at Juve and didn't at Milan.

"Things could go very Conte, very quickly. By that I mean back channelling complaints in the media, throwing games to make a point the squad is shite, and letting emotions get in the way of doing the best job possible."

This person has never seen Allegri work or heard him speak.

[GRude]

The hipster cancer continues. And certain man wonder why I rep propa clubs like Millwall & Southend United these days.

Hipsters favourite managers;
Arteta 0 years - 0 trophies
Sarri 14 years - 0 trophies
Tuchel - 11 years - 0 trophies
Pochettino - 9 years - 0 trophies

Hipsters least liked managers;
Allegri - 15 years - 12 trophies
Simeone - 12 years - 7 trophies
Mourinho - 18 years - 25 trophies



Same hipster dickheads who want Arteta thought he was a top player for us   . It's the exact same split, only Wenger fanboys loved him in the first place.  Zero managerial exp, zero drawing power. Imagine what someone like Ramsey thinks. An ex shit player coming back to give you orders  
Of course AKBs love it because it's a continuation of Arsene FC, an irrelevant safe middle class club.


The good thing with Arteta I guess is that he hasnt got credit  like Wenger, one or two poor seasons and he'll be out. New Bruce Rioch, or more likely just soldifying our status as a rich mans Everton.

[Chumlum]

Gunnerblog on Arteta pros / cons

[Hapless_Hans]

I have to admit that it feels like I woke up in some bizarro parallel universe.. because in my usual universe I don't get how Arteta "makes sense", is "on every shortlist", has "always been the man" ?!?!
He has never managed a club, not for a game?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this to turn out great, he's a likeable and surely very capable guy and I wish Arsenal and him only the best.
But in what universe does is make sense? This is the opposite of a no brainer. This is a monumental gamble, this is an appointment with maximum risk, if we assume that having the record of a past allows us to judge the probabilities of the future better.
No record, no way to predict, maximum risk.

This is actually completely absurd. Hope it works though, that would be awesome.

[rincon]

Appointing Arteta is a Milan move. Like Seedorf and Inzaghi. Replacing your retirement age coach with a guy with 0 experience is football's biggest overcorrection.

[urbaNRoots]

It doesn't make any sense and no one should try to make sense of it because it's a nonsensical move.

We as fans just have to hope, which I suppose is still better than having no hope at all which is what the last few years under Wenger felt like.

[Jay29]

For us fans, yes, it's highly unusual. We judge managers on their past records and their accomplishments and Arteta obviously has none of that, being a coach with only two years worth of experience. It doesn't make sense to us because there's information that we don't have about him that Arsenal clearly do have that's informing the decision.

It's not a satisfactory answer in any sense but they know something about him we don't. If the process has been as thorough as reported then they must have spoken with plenty of people and Arteta himself at some point, if they didn't already know everything about him. They know he has leadership qualities, and I'd imagine they're confident he has a fair amount of skill as well. The people behind the appointment are knowledgeable, experienced and well-connected, and, well, we just have to put faith in that.

[Hapless_Hans]

For us fans, yes, it's highly unusual. We judge managers on their past records and their accomplishments and Arteta obviously has none of that, being a coach with only two years worth of experience. It doesn't make sense to us because there's information that we don't have about him that Arsenal clearly do have that's informing the decision.

It's not a satisfactory answer in any sense but they know something about him we don't. If the process has been as thorough as reported then they must have spoken with plenty of people and Arteta himself at some point, if they didn't already know everything about him. They know he has leadership qualities, and I'd imagine they're confident he has a fair amount of skill as well. The people behind the appointment are knowledgeable, experienced and well-connected, and, well, we just have to put faith in that.

That's very true adn a very important point, it's obvious that behind the scenes, commenters and insiders on his behaviour in City training surely have been surveyed, he must show qualities that warrant the trust placed in him. And if he indeed were appointed Arene Wenger successor and Arsenal manager, that would be immense trust which would suggest what he's showing has been immensely complimented by the ones working with him or who are familiar with his professional demeanour.

But hold on a second, let me ask: why are we taking it at face value he is the frontrunner, or even a main candidate? I still struggle to think that this is actually real tbh.


Then, the Gunnerblog guy explains it well. Especially his 'cons' section is elaborate and spot on, and it's telling that the 'pros' part is much less conrete and detailed and much more broad perspective and hopeful conjecture. 'Young is good, Arsenal was always a club that valued rejuvenation' etc

I will add another problem, and it's a very simple question:
How much would he earn?
It sounds like an unimportant question, but I think it is anything but that.

How much would Mikel Arteta earn as manager of Arsenal?

Wenger got something like 10m £ per year. At other top clubs, it will be similar. Pep gets probably 20m. Mourinho surely 15-20m. Kloppo probably 8-10m too. Pochettino? No idea, 5m?

It's hard to imagine Arteta would get anything close to that -because, why would he warrant such a salary?-.
But it also wouldn't make sense to pay him some apprentice figure like a 19 year old player. It's a question of esteem and authority, both of which a manager needs to project onto the players, who earn shitloads themselves.

In any case, it's IMO an interesting question which illustrates the strangeness of this potential appointment.

[El Gunner]

Are you trying to say that the players will look at his salary and not take him seriously because they earn way more?

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