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Post by Dante Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:27 pm

hmmmmm

well , this is awkward

fml Laughing

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Post by •MilanDevil• Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:27 pm

100m spent this summer for what? You get attackers but no midfield support whatsoever? Its time for individuals such as Galliani to leave the club because with such a management, no matter the coach, the team will never succeed.
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Post by •MilanDevil• Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:34 pm

I think from now on, its safe to expect the worse from Milan going into every match regardless of the opposition's level. It would take at least 10 years of success to change this.
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Post by Guest Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:35 pm

•MilanDevil• wrote:100m spent this summer for what? You get attackers but no midfield support whatsoever? Its time for individuals such as Galliani to leave the club because with such a management, no matter the coach, the team will never succeed.


getting rid of sporting technical director, doing business with genoa, listing to agents, taking free agents, playing hefty salaries and long contracts to below average players, ... i can count atleast 10 other things... galliani should be fired immediately

i totally agree, finally we had 100 million to spend, he went on to waste that in a spectacular manner. i knew this would happen...

there are atleast 10 players who shouldn't be even called up for reserve, getting playing minutes.

i can't see milan even close to finish top 5 in next seasons, as long as galliani is in this club... or berlusconi interferes in transfer or tactical ordeals...

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Post by Kaladin Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:35 pm

The team needs Li Shang as coach

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Post by Dante Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:38 pm

Now watch me whip
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Post by Guest Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:38 pm

•MilanDevil• wrote:I think from now on, its safe to expect the worse from Milan going into every match regardless of the opposition's level. It would take at least 10 years of success to change this.

we were too late, last time we won CL ... there were already signs... even rival coaches used to say that this great milan will eventually have to be looked into because of ageing stars. This went on to get ignored for years, we fired sporting director, we started getting free agents, we started looking at washed up players for cheap, we started listening to agents, not scouts and technical directors,
.... when even former great came to us and offered some very bright talents in silver plate, galliani went complete deaf ears...

everything has gone wrong under galliani and berlusconi ofcourse. but there is no excuse this time because berlusconi did fork out money...


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Post by Kaladin Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:40 pm

Dante wrote:Now watch me whip
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Watch me nae nae

Now watch me whip
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C9-Fnatic was great tho hmm
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Post by Guest Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:44 pm

i mean we were asked for patience for 7 years!!!! this is great milan for christ sake!!! milan that use to compete on all fronts!!!


if u even bring the word patience to real, barca fans, there would be massacre in the streets..!!!!

frankly our fans has been long long patient and gracious enough to accept the reality for too long!
there were lot of windows of opportunity to improve but galliani did nothing!!!

2 months since inzaghi was fired, or infact, when decision was taken to get rid of inzaghi before the last season even ended, there should have been a full assessment of the squad, come clean, get rid of bad players, bring bright potential talents and world class players,... what did galliani say oh we have plenty of time...

2 days until transfer window coming to close then we started looking for players like witsel...

in the meantime i will never understand this bs. genoa alliance, and listening to agents !!! no offense im sorry guys i have been really negative like cookie monster said, but i am frankly sick and tired of galliani
he is gonna bring this milan down for the rest of his natural life no offense

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Post by Dante Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:58 pm

don't worry guys , when Braida comes back he will fix everything

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C9-Fnatic was great tho hmm

yeap.. btw, i thought of your op insight about C9 in the league thread when i was watching the game , dat C9 Proud
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Post by M99 Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:01 pm

We are still above Juve tho Laughing
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Post by Dante Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:38 pm

JespSwe wrote:i mean we were asked for patience for 7 years!!!! this is great milan for christ sake!!! milan that use to compete on all fronts!!!


if u even bring the word patience to real, barca fans, there would be massacre in the streets..!!!!

frankly our fans has been long long patient and gracious enough to accept the reality for too long!
there were lot of windows of opportunity to improve but galliani did nothing!!!

2 months since inzaghi was fired, or infact, when decision was taken to get rid of inzaghi before the last season even ended, there should have been a full assessment of the squad, come clean, get rid of bad players, bring bright potential talents and world class players,... what did galliani say oh we have plenty of time...

2 days until transfer window coming to close then we started looking for players like witsel...

in the meantime i will never understand this bs. genoa alliance, and listening to agents !!! no offense im sorry guys i have been really negative like cookie monster said, but i am frankly sick and tired of galliani
he is gonna bring this milan down for the rest of his natural life no offense


You're very right to be mad m8 .. I will keep it simple , since such failure (ever so ridiculous) wasn't the first nor it will be the last we saw , seeing it all stems from the same problems that keep plaguing us all this time : In essense , there have been so many mistakes at Milan all over the years , and we still keep paying the price . Milan's BS have been too much and too many for Milan to get away with it quickly , or easily .

Been a while i've been 'calma' with Milan's shortcomings and i can honestly say , it's the most pathetic feeling i've ever experienced as a fan , to be honest . I just shrug it off and smile awkwardly when friends mock me , and that's what i will also do tomorrow .

I got through all phases by now , rage , sadness , denial , despair , i even stopped watching the game for some time , bar Milan of course ... now i am just #yolo , whenever we get good again , can't bother myself with this shit anymore lol . Can't care less who's at fault , who sucks , who stays and who goes , who this and that.. I just support the team and that's that. Milan still has too many issues to resolve , before we can have expectations again .

To tell you just how much this doesn't surprise me , i had a friend of mine tonight who bet Milan to lose exactly 0-3 . I didn't even attempt to debate this and that , only thing i said was , "lol we won't even score in our home?" He was like "nope , why should you , you suck" . Well , 0-4 . And really , we do suck Laughing . I even bet it 4-6 goals , i just knew we would get rekt anyway.

I agree B & G should gtfo and retire , but you know they just won't , not in any immediate future at least.. We know B & G are clueless and didn't help the team enough in the summer . We can only support the team and do what you won't hear about , which is to still be patient , as unfair as it is.. there's not much more into it , that's just how things are.
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Post by Il Diavolo Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:56 pm

Pretty well summed up Dante. I'm also at the point where I'm just like "whatever". The duo of Berlusconi and Galliani is past it. Has been past it for a while. But they refuse to move on. Our squad is in a very bad state due to Galliani's cheap and highly incompetent dealings for the past few seasons. The administrative side of the club is also in shambles. How do you screw up the stadium plan they way these guys did, is unbelievable. And now they are close to screwing up the buy-out as well. With a new person in the board (despite being a minority holder), there was the chance that he could get the ball rolling in terms of a new management, but that is also seeming more and more unlikely.
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Post by Kaladin Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:10 pm

Yep, i share the same sentiment Dante. I just don't know where the club can go if it continues like this every summer. There just doesn't seem to be an exit sign with SB as owner.
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Post by Cruijf Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:03 am

Not much to say really. Almost 100 mil spent and nothing has changed.

Zapata will be crucified for the first goal but I blame Miha for instructing our center backs to play out from the back against a team as good as Napoli. The finger must also be pointed at Montolivo. Unacceptable to have our pivote standing in the center circle with the ball at the feet of someone as unskilled as Zapata.

If the last six months have taught us anything, it seems it is that nothing will change as long as our transfer department is so inept. No amount of money and solve the problem of incompetence.

It's a shame, because this team has shown glimpses of potential throughout the season and even at points in this match. Sadly, at the end of the day, if you buy a bunch of scrubs, they will (shocker) play like a bunch of scrubs.


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Post by Forza Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:43 am

We lost this game last week when Romagnoli got sent off. With that, any slim chance of victory against Napoli was snuffed out.

There are some serious problems in our team's 1st XI and in our depth, mainly in defence and midfield.

Defence

The big hope at CB was Ely - Romagnoli. However, people need to realise that defence is about partnership and working as a unit. How many games have Ely - Romagnoli played with each other?

Most of the time Zapata has deputised for one of them. Ely and Romagnoli are by no means star defenders, but they can develop into a solid unit if given the chance. In saying that, I would prefer if we purchased another higher-quality CB to partner Romagnoli.

I laugh at anyone who was impressed by Zapata a couple weeks back in a game where we still conceded 2 goals. He's not good enough and never will be. He's a disaster zone. You only need 1 weak link in defence to bring the whole team crashing down.

At WB, Antonelli and Abate are clearly our best options. Calabria is raw and MDS looks like he's not going to get any better.

Midfield

It's a similar story here. I think Bertolacci has proven to be an extremely poor transfer. He was plucked out of nowhere for an extremely high fee and yet he offers nothing more than Montolivo already did.

Speaking of which, Monty is terribly slow on the ball and has little impact on the game.

De Jong is a great player, but he's not a complete midfielder. His role is to win the ball and pass it to a creative midfielder. However, I think he's being asked to compensate for the other slackers in our midfield and its obvious that this isn't working.

Bonaventura is a player who I love to watch because he's a guy who you know will actually attempt to do something useful with the ball. Yes, it doesn't always come off, but at least he's making an effort to start attacks.

Kucka is no improvement on Bertolacci. He has no aptitude for passing in the final third.

Honda is mis-cast in just about every position he plays because he is reliant on other midfielders making space for him so that he has time to receive the ball and make passes to strikers. Unfortunately, you get the feeling that the rest of our midfield couldn't maintain possession in an opponent's half even if they put up a giant net across the half-way line when we have the ball there.

Coach

I can't blame a coach who looks at his team and asks them to play good football, but hasn't quite grasped the fact that the cheap players he had at Sampdoria were more dynamic and skilful on the ball than the ones he has now at Milan.

He'll soon realise that it's time to finish off what was started in the summer by cleaning out the rest of the detritus and bringing in some players who aren't merely content to be static and pass the ball around aimlessly until they lose it. I have a strong suspicion we'll be looking for players with pace and good ball control instead of the glorified bunch of lazy sideways passers we have now.

The Upside
We aren't PSG and this isn't Ligue 1. We cannot expect 2 months worth of investment to bring us success. Serie A is much more competitive than that. Juventus to a couple of full seasons of continuous investment to turn their results around after they were promoted to Serie A and Inter still endured some extremely painful times after the Thorir takeover.

It is early in the season and I anticipate that much progress will be made between now and the end. We're not going to win Serie A and it will be unlikely that we will finish in the top 3, but we can make an effort to build this team up and work towards those goals in the future with continued investment.
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:51 am

Worst thing regarding Milan is that many of us saw this 8 years ago with Ancelotti's last year. Many of us blamed Carlo then, and his policy regarding youngsters.

Little did we know about the transfer facts B&G were responsible for behind the scenes. FFS, a past-it Ronaldinho was one of our biggest signings then.

In fact, our 2011 win was probably a last-ditch effort by the seniors (who all contributed really well to that title) and the result of Buying Ibrahimovitch who really landed in our lap, and the magnificence of TS who we actually should have bought long before we actually did.

When both were sold, I realized that 2011 was a false spring, and that we are simply going to experience a very long winter.

Year after year, we added scrub after scrub, in so much that no actual quality can thrive here. Right now in the AM spot for example, we should have SES there now, but our best option there right now is Honda, who despite trying is limited.
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Post by Dante Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:49 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:Worst thing regarding Milan is that many of us saw this 8 years ago with Ancelotti's last year. Many of us blamed Carlo then, and his policy regarding youngsters.

Little did we know about the transfer facts B&G were responsible for behind the scenes. FFS, a past-it Ronaldinho was one of our biggest signings then.

In fact, our 2011 win was probably a last-ditch effort by the seniors (who all contributed really well to that title) and the result of Buying Ibrahimovitch who really landed in our lap, and the magnificence of TS who we actually should have bought long before we actually did.

When both were sold, I realized that 2011 was a false spring, and that we are simply going to experience a very long winter.

Year after year, we added scrub after scrub, in so much that no actual quality can thrive here. Right now in the AM spot for example, we should have SES there now, but our best option there right now is Honda, who despite trying is limited.


I agree to the last word . Pretty much what i thought at the time , what i used to think as time went by and what i still think today in hindsight.

As for Ses , i also blame Mihajlovic for Ses leaving btw .. like , the BS he was saying he would play him at LCM .. can't say i would have stayed myself. I honestly don't blame Ses for leaving , there's a Euro in the summer too , agreeing to something like that would be suicide for him . My first major warning sign about Sinisa popped up right then , how could anyone think of SES as LCM ?? Now , Ses had that option and then came up Monaco , with good money and lifestyle , while also being given the chance to play in the CL with other talented players , a fresh team with ambition... like he said , it was an easy decision .

Now , as for our defence , it's the 3rd season in a row we are heading into January , in need of defenders , mainly in the CB area this time .. Galliani never learns really. Just the 12-13 season was more than enough , all he needed to see. He didn't do anything in the summer. 13-14 disaster happens , he gets Rami in October , hoping it will be enough. In the summer , he again does nothing. Once more , catastrophe ensures and we head into January to sign Palleta , Antonelli and Bocchetti . Moar band-aids , at least Antonelli came out good. Now , 15-16 ... We have a mediocre Zapata , who's at best a situational player , a washed up Mexes who Sinisa didn't want and he's leaving anyways , and Alex , a finished player we couldn't offload. Ely i won't count in this , he's just a green lad coming from Serie B , he's not part of any solution as things stand , he can't help us reach any of our objectives , he can only help out on the rare occasion .

Once again , we need to strengthen the defence in January , in order to either salvage a lost season by that time , or try and sneak our way into Europa League.. The thing is , can't they see that these people have failed at it already , what's the reason they are still here , i honestly cannot fathom why. They couldn't offload Mexes and Alex because they are piss poor , but they didn't get CBs to strengthen the team anyway , regardless of them . Now what?

Romagnoli out and we crumble . Romagnoli can't play every single game and bare in mind , this is with Zapata in mind . Romagnoli and anyone else it will still be asking for trouble , Romagnoli is no world class defender that will cover up such weaknesses . He can cover for Zapata's low skill on the ball by carrying it on himself , or take responsibility of making the risky passes / long balls / help the midfielders out occasionaly. That also eliminates Zapata's tunnel vision and frequent lapses in concentration , which leaves him to just defend , the only thing he's decent at . That's why Zapata does fairly well with Romagnoli , because the lad covers for him well enough and let's him focus on defending , because strictly as a defender he's not the worst out there , most of the time he can defend his ground . Now replace Zapata with anyone else . He can still do things he's already good at , but he hasn't shown he can cover for a partner's defensive weaknesses just yet . Whenever he was paired with anyone else other than Zapata , it doesn't work quite the same.

Is it maybe because he can't carry the ball onward , or that he suddenly can't pass it well ? No , it's because all the rest of our CB are really bad for this team and Romagnoli can't cover for their defensive weaknesses . Zapata is also a mediocre defender with above average speed , but at least he can defend most of the time (that's when paired with Romagnoli and the team is actually doing things ). The rest? Mexes needs an entire system to suit him to be good nowadays , Alex is finished in Serie A let alone carry Milan's defence and Ely is as green as it gets.    

Sigh.

If we want at least Europa League football come next season , we will need to make a particularly good CB transfer in January . At the very least one . Mexes is leaving , so we are at least guaranteed one (at least i hope that's the case Laughing) . Now , who will that be i have no idea , but he better be a real success and not just some band-aid scrub , there's no way we will finish in at least Europa League places with just Romagnoli-Zapata . I doubt they can play all these games to begin with and in general lines , Zapata ain't even that good to begin with .. he's just our least worst option as things stand , with Romagnoli covering his glaring weak points .

Ideally , we should be getting 2 , with Alex gtfo of the team as well. Let's just hope that the one who will replace Mexes will be a legit CB , first of all .
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Post by Kaladin Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:37 pm

Don't worry, Ranocchia, KPB and Urby will turn this season around (:
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Post by Dante Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:29 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:Don't worry, Ranocchia, KPB and Urby will turn this season around (:

Boateng over Cerci any day Proud

Btw , thinking about it some more , even if we do strengthen in January ... there's a very good chance it will very likely turn out to be one hilariously irrelevant matter come May , just like it has been for the past 2 seasons already . Overall picture , we still don't have what it takes and Napoli made sure we get the message . Ty Napoli (:

Juventus , Roma , Inter and Napoli , will be fighting for the top 4 places . Not even mid October and 3rd place is officially out of reach . There's no way we will have a better season come May than any of the aforementioned teams . So right of the bat , our target is 5th , or 6th place.. kek

Comparing us to just Napoli .. we are not on their level , never mind the others  . Is there anyone here who thinks we will do better than Napoli this season , reinforcements in January or not ? This 0-4 was a statement by Napoli . It basically means that we won't finish above them this season .

I saw Arrigo Sarri's Napoli and i caught myself being a little jelly there , lol . Like , it will take some convincing to make me change my mind that this Napoli won't finish -worst case scenario- , at least 4th . I am quite certain that's what they are thinking at Milan right now. I don't know about you , this already seems like one more wasted season to me.. Champions League is almost completely out of our reach by now as it is and with the majority of the season still ahead of us , it certainly doesn't promise it could get any better either . Anyway , 5th-6th place , yeah .

Really hesitant talking about top 3 anymore , it's just being delusional at this point Laughing .
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:06 am

To be frank, it was delusional to think of the top 3 spots from the start. It was never going to happen, eve if we had the best coach in the worlds rolled into one super coach.

Simply put, Juve, Roma, and Napoli were better teams day one. Inter, Lazio, and Fiorentina are arguably in the same level. Hence ,the best we can get is EL football.
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Post by •MilanDevil• Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:18 am

I honestly hope we use this formation vs Torino:

---------------------Bacca-----------
----------------------Balo-------------
Anto-----Montolivo--------Kucka-------Bonaventura
-DES----Romagnoli--------------Zapata-------Abate
-----------------------Lopez-------------------

Since we lack quality midfielders, we should flood the midfield with hardworking players. Bona and Anto can provide width which we have been severely lacking in the past games. The main concern with this formation is the link between Kucka and Montolivo, I do not know if they can control the midfield.
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Post by Lucifer Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:58 am

BTW was insigne always this good or is enjoying one of those seasons

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Post by Forza Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:11 pm

Pirloisjesus wrote:BTW was insigne always this good or is enjoying one of those seasons

He's getting better with consistent playing time and maturity.
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Post by Forza Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:13 pm

•MilanDevil• wrote:I honestly hope we use this formation vs Torino:

---------------------Bacca-----------
----------------------Balo-------------
Anto-----Montolivo--------Kucka-------Bonaventura
-DES----Romagnoli--------------Zapata-------Abate
-----------------------Lopez-------------------

Since we lack quality midfielders, we should flood the midfield with hardworking players. Bona and Anto can provide width which we have been severely lacking in the past games. The main concern with this formation is the link between Kucka and Montolivo, I do not know if they can control the midfield.

Suicide formation IMO. We severely lack creative midfielders, this emphasis on hard work and not much else isn't going to get us anywhere when they can't string two forward passes together to save their lives. Also, anyone but Zapata.
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Post by Dante Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:52 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:To be frank, it was delusional to think of the top 3 spots from the start. It was never going to happen, eve if we had the best coach in the worlds rolled into one super coach.

Simply put, Juve, Roma, and Napoli were better teams day one. Inter, Lazio, and Fiorentina are arguably in the same level. Hence ,the best we can get is EL football.


well , top 3 meaning 3rd place , nothing else. Even then , the chances were abysmal , obviously . Just going by our defence it was evident. But i would have liked to believe , maybe others would fail their season for a change Proud

Anyway , i agree of course . At this point and for the team we have , add maybe some reinforcements in January , a europa league place would be right. Most of the season is still ahead of us of course , but it will take quite the change in Milan to make me even consider Milan can do better than 5th-6th . As things stand right now , i doubt we can finish 5th tbh , let alone doing better .
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