Copa América 2015

Cruijf wrote:He's actually having an bad game though

Harmonica wrote:Dribbling is the only statistic that doesn't depend on your team mates, or team edge. It's you in control with the ball yourself, trying to advance play against an opponent.

Messi dribbles per game:

For Argentina WC14 6.6, total 46 (Robben 34)
For Argentina CA15 7.5, total 30 (Sanchez 17)
For Barcelona UCL 14-15 7.1, total 92 (Hazard 51)
For Barcelona La Liga 14-15 4.6, total 174 (Neymar 104)

Messi gives more for Argentina than he gives for Barcelona, but because it's dysfunctional team playing even more against parked busses, end product isn't the same.

Messi is playing just fine, I'm just waiting rest of the Argentina to wake up as a team.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:The mere fact a scrub like Pastore can look like a god in this tournament further reinforces my point tbh

Cruijf wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:

Cruijf wrote:Big players playing massive seasons and then having to immediately go to the CA plays a factor, but another large factor is the abysmal refereeing in this tournament. When the referees allow the game to descend into who can kick each other harder, than of course the less talented defenders will find it easier to cope with people like Messi, Neymar, Aguero, et all.

This is why South American football has fallen so far behind European football, and you won't see it change as long as this ridiculous "more contact = better football because we r men" attitude prevails.

Hold up now.

I agree and even posted the same thing about the physicality of South American football and how it's funny people are now just starting to realize this is SA football and always has been.

But SA teams falling way behind Europe, where is that coming from.  The top players in almost every top league are South American, a lot of European club teams can't even field teams with there own countries players and depend on South America, Africa etc.  

The EPL features a shockingly small amount of English starters.

Argentina was in the finals of the world cup and went to overtime and I believe every SA team got out of the group stage for like 2 world cup cycles running plus 2 of the 4 semi finalists were South American.

4 of the last 8 teams in the 2010 World cup were South American and Uruguay finished 3rd.

I don't really understand where SA teams are falling behind Europe.

Talking about South American football, as in the domestic leagues versus the European domestic leagues.

In other news, Messi is having a great game, behind both goals so far and looking lively.

Harmonica wrote:Pastore has been Argentina's second best player, has the best link-up play with Messi. If only he made it to WC14.

Messi 4th time official MoM in this tournament.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:The mere fact a scrub like Pastore can look like a god in this tournament further reinforces my point tbh

Cruijf wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:

Cruijf wrote:Big players playing massive seasons and then having to immediately go to the CA plays a factor, but another large factor is the abysmal refereeing in this tournament. When the referees allow the game to descend into who can kick each other harder, than of course the less talented defenders will find it easier to cope with people like Messi, Neymar, Aguero, et all.

This is why South American football has fallen so far behind European football, and you won't see it change as long as this ridiculous "more contact = better football because we r men" attitude prevails.

Hold up now.

I agree and even posted the same thing about the physicality of South American football and how it's funny people are now just starting to realize this is SA football and always has been.

But SA teams falling way behind Europe, where is that coming from.  The top players in almost every top league are South American, a lot of European club teams can't even field teams with there own countries players and depend on South America, Africa etc.  

The EPL features a shockingly small amount of English starters.

Argentina was in the finals of the world cup and went to overtime and I believe every SA team got out of the group stage for like 2 world cup cycles running plus 2 of the 4 semi finalists were South American.

4 of the last 8 teams in the 2010 World cup were South American and Uruguay finished 3rd.

I don't really understand where SA teams are falling behind Europe.

Talking about South American football, as in the domestic leagues versus the European domestic leagues.

In other news, Messi is having a great game, behind both goals so far and looking lively.

Rebaño Sagrado wrote:How exactly was that red for Zamorano not legit? He clearly left his foot out to hit Aranguiz. It doesn't matter if he didn't hurt him or barely even touched him. The intention is there. And for the offside it wasn't clear that the onside player didn't touch the ball. Everyone here had to see a replay before realizing that it actually was offside. How is the linesman supposed see such a small detail without 50 replays? But, nah this is clearly rigged. Ofc, Chile will get some calls their way, but there is no doubt they are deservedly in the final.

The only problem I have is that they haven't left the nacional stadium.

Fußball wrote:Went to bed early and didn't watch the game. Checked the result. How does Messi not even buy a goal in a 6-1 trashing in an Argentina shirt? That aside he seems to have played very well by what I'm reading.