Juve VS Napoli 2.0

Katy Perry wrote:I'm not saying he's doing a bad job but he's just plain average, I'd argue that with this Juve team inherited by Conte even the other 19 Serie A managers would top the league.

Although he did well changing the 3-5-2 to accommodate the 4-3-1-2, but that was more of several injuries to the CBs and his unwillingness to choose someone to bench between Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio rather than a tactical masterstroke.

Actually no the formation change was practiced before the injuries 2-3 weeks before that, it was only matter of time before we start using it. This man gets credit less then he deserves. I mean come on he kept Juve first with our star players ( Vidal and Pirlo) totally out of form, the best defender out, and is still doing great without one of the striker functioning while the other can't hit the target no matter what.

during the massive injuries in defense and with Chiellini suspended, Conte used Vidal as CB and didn't change the formation.

We had our CL fate in our hands and he won all the games needed and got the right results, I bet you that if Conte was our manager we would have lost from Olympiacos home and drew with Malmo.

That's not plain average.

Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

Katy Perry wrote:Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

DeviAngel wrote:

Katy Perry wrote:Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

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You've gone too faar...!!! Morata is a good finisher... Its just that we don't see a lot from him. He has more shots:goal ratio than Llorente and Pereyra for sure...

Noo man, you are exaggerating with that about Conte. Yes he was stubborn as hell... And still is with Italy, playing 3shit2, just old catenaccio style... With his BS that he wants to develop Italian football, it will never happen if he doesn't change this formation. He will get fed up, just like with juve (cuz the FIGC won't do everything he wants) and will quit. I can see it happening before Euro...

Katy Perry wrote:Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

Completely agree.You are very impressive poster.Looking forward to read more of your posts.

DeviAngel wrote:

Katy Perry wrote:Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

As usual you need to make an irrational post just cause you dont agree with someone and resort to bashing Conte now that he's no longer with us after all the great work he did in the last few seasons.
Ofcourse Conte would've passed this year's group.Lets stop behaving like Allegri is taking us to unprecedented heights.He's doing a good job thus far,but nothing completely out of the ordinary in my opinion.

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DeviAngel wrote:

Katy Perry wrote:Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

As usual you need to make an irrational post just cause you dont agree with someone and resort to bashing Conte now that he's no longer with us after all the great work he did in the last few seasons.
Ofcourse Conte would've passed this year's group.Lets stop behaving like Allegri is taking us to unprecedented heights.He's doing a good job thus far,but nothing completely out of the ordinary in my opinion.

what the man said, Conte freaking took us past Chelsea and Shaktar ffs, people act like the man was a complete failure when in truth he was not, we dominated the league cos Conte's mentality is to win, not Allegri who is happy to play for draws in certain games, its clear our mentality is lower than during Contes time.... yes Conte's negative is and always is his stubbornness and 3-crap-2..... as to Allegri let's wait and see if we will make it out of the group next season (if he is still our coach) to judge, yet we were still average n the group phase, if Atletico wanted to win, we'd not have made it....

only disagreement I had with katy perry's post is calling Pereyra excellent, when apart from the first few games, he has been utter crap.....

Katy what a load of excrement you are talking. Allegri average??? He did what Conte never do, which was create a different formation and tactics. Devi is explaining very explicit how Allegri haa done wonders and you keep being stubborn. Allegri is far a better tactician than Conte and thats the truth. He is the sole reason Juve is playing 4-3-1-2, which is the best formation available with our players. Conte's 3-5-2 was severely limited and his final third attacking display was all based on individual qualities. Allegri is a sure winner in my book. Please read more about football

s, how can you say that if ATM wanted to win they would? LOL. ATM's game is purely defensive xounter attacking play where they soak the opponents pressure, if Juve sits back, ATM sits back.....This group was a lot harder than last year and Juve didnt qualify....what about losing to Benfica in EL? A team which didnt do anything in CL? Please dude. There is a reason Allegri won with Milan. There is a reason why Allegri is tge coach of Juventus.

Dont know what you're on about DJ.I think Katy threw up some valid points in this page which i happened to agree to.
Maybe calling Allegri average is a bit impolite towards him but we should get the gist of his post.
Qualifying for the second round in the CL is a minimum requirement for Juventus.Last year was a massive failure.This year we managed to overcome the demons of our previous horror show in the CL.So this doesnt automatically mean Allegri is a CL genius and Conte is a complete dud whilst totally ignoring all the good work he has done to propel Juventus to the top.
Basically there is no middle ground in this place.

Anyway,i still think its too soon to judge Allegri.There are still some obvious flaws in him. Lets wait and see how the season ends up before jumping to conclusions.So far its been positive so lets hope it continues to be the case.

I myself agree that Allegri has done nothing expectional, so far at least. Many times his starting eleven is highly questionable, and he reacts so slowly with subs (but that was even worse with Conte). He also got the tactics wrong a few times, sitting back on 1 goal leads when we dominate the whole match.

Yesterday he proved the opposite though, we played kinda badly on a tough pitch and he switched to 3-5-2 right when it was needed. This is the reaction you would expect from him every match.

Solely because he switched a formation once, he isn't a tactical genius, not even compared to Conte. It was the obvious move to make, but we all know how stubborn Conte is.

Also I wouldn't agree that  4-3-1-2 fits the most our players but whatever.

I'm not saying he is bad, so far I'm satisfied but he has done nothing exceptional to get so much praise.
We will be able to properly evaluate at the end of the season I guess.

S wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

Katy Perry wrote:Taking a midtable team and leading it to a title is not average, going in a 50 match unbeaten is not average, dominating almost every big game is not average,winning 20+ games in a row at home is not average, making 100 points is not average. Allegri is doing exactly what Carrera and Alessio were doing when Conte was suspended, bullying the scrubs team due to a much superior team and topping the league. It's Allegri who chooses to play Llorente, who chooses the tactics, who chooses to stick with him despite underperforming, Pirlo and Vidal have been underperforming due to recovering from injuries/being off form, yes, but Pereyra and Marchisio have replaced them excellently and they still won Juve games with individual plays.

Yea qualifying as second in a group with AM, olympiakos and Malmo is average. Last year you failed to qualify but that was way below the standard of Juve's capabilities, qualifying at least as the second should be the average.

And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

As usual you need to make an irrational post just cause you dont agree with someone and resort to bashing Conte now that he's no longer with us after all the great work he did in the last few seasons.
Ofcourse Conte would've passed this year's group.Lets stop behaving like Allegri is taking us to unprecedented heights.He's doing a good job thus far,but nothing completely out of the ordinary in my opinion.

And as usual you have to be the sheriff spreading the justice and act like the smartest Surag.

Lol I am responding to his 'what above average coach does' and we had one so I took Conte as example, but it seems as usual you seem to target me that's the thing I've noticed, If you don't agree S its simple don't.  All I'm saying is that Allegri is doing a good job not an average one, to say that Alessio and Carrera would have done the same is crazy.

Calling me irrational because I don't agree that Allegri is not an average coach and on the level of Alessio and Carrera? Ok than I'm irrational.

Allegri is doing a good job until now and he's more adaptable than Conte.  To me, Conte is a great one to help raise a club towards the top... but he lacks the tactical pragmatism to get a club to an elite european level.  Very good manager; but one that has to evolve a bit (Carlo was the same way btw).  Allegri cannot build a club because he's not that kind of manager.  BUT, he's a good one to bring in if you have an established club.  His personnel management is good and he does a good job of adapting his tactics...  not an elite manager.  But a good one.

I like Conte better because he does a better job of developing talent and instilling an identity. But Allegri is fine as long as you don't need to develop too many kids. There's far far worse than Allegri out there.

sportsczy wrote:Allegri is doing a good job until now and he's more adaptable than Conte.  To me, Conte is a great one to help raise a club towards the top... but he lacks the tactical pragmatism to get a club to an elite european level.  Very good manager; but one that has to evolve a bit (Carlo was the same way btw).  Allegri cannot build a club because he's not that kind of manager.  BUT, he's a good one to bring in if you have an established club.  His personnel management is good and he does a good job of adapting his tactics...  not an elite manager.  But a good one.

Thank you, and I will say again I don't want to compare Conte and Allegri, I just took Conte as example of above average coach because Katy said : ' Coach who wins 20+ in a row' and Conte's Juve was unbeaten.

@Deviangel, nah man I'm not comparing Alessio and Carrera's careers to Allegri's, all I'm saying is that topping the league with Juve while not imposing yourself against the top teams because you're bullying against the Serie A scrubs is what even Alessio and Carrera and every other manager in the serie A would do.
Conte for an instance did it, because you've got to dominate in the big matches if you want to have a 50 matches unbeaten, 20 home games won in a row, 100 points in a season.

Maybe the reason I feel he's been average is that he was catapulted to the Juve's job and had to settle with copypasting Conte's Juve in the beginning and only recently has tried to implement his ideas.
I guess time will tell if his ideas will get past Borussia, will win Juve the scudetto or at least win a big match without needing a referee's help - not saying that other teams don't get helps too, but truth be told you struggled in almost every big game this season and the ones you won against Napoli and Roma were not due to Juve's superiority but referees mistakes.

@S Thank you.

@elm_baraja_shaman
Maybe that's because in the beginning he was a starter as he replaced Vidal and he made his absence go very smoothly. It's not easy to express all of your qualities play as a back-up and getting few minutes in many different positions, and IMO he's done well in the matches he's played as RWB or AM.
A young player that joins Juve as the fifth choice midfielder and when asked to be a temporary starter in the place of a WC CM like Vidal and make his absence go unnoticed and then played a lot less and out of position and still performed. Because for example I remember his games as an AM against Milan and Lazio, or as a RWB against Parma and Empoli and you can't say they were "garbage"

Katy Perry wrote:@Deviangel, nah man I'm not comparing Alessio and Carrera's careers to Allegri's, all I'm saying is that topping the league with Juve while not imposing yourself against the top teams because you're bullying against the Serie A scrubs is what even Alessio and Carrera and every other manager in the serie A would do.
Conte for an instance did it, because you've got to dominate in the big matches if you want to have a 50 matches unbeaten, 20 home games won in a row, 100 points in a season.

Maybe the reason I feel he's been average is that he was catapulted to the Juve's job and had to settle with copypasting Conte's Juve in the beginning and only recently has tried to implement his ideas.
I guess time will tell if his ideas will get past Borussia, will win Juve the scudetto or at least win a big match without needing a referee's help - not saying that other teams don't get helps too, but truth be told you struggled in almost every big game this season and the ones you won against Napoli and Roma were not due to Juve's superiority but referees mistakes.

@S Thank you.

@elm_baraja_shaman
Maybe that's because in the beginning he was a starter as he replaced Vidal and he made his absence go very smoothly. It's not easy to express all of your qualities play as a back-up and getting few minutes in many different positions, and IMO he's done well in the matches he's played as RWB or AM.
A young player that joins Juve as the fifth choice midfielder and when asked to be a temporary starter in the place of a WC CM like Vidal and make his absence go unnoticed and then played a lot less and out of position and still performed. Because for example I remember his games as an AM against Milan and Lazio, or as a RWB against Parma and Empoli and you can't say they were "garbage"

I completely agree.

I took Conte only as example to above average coach nothing else, but the league was weaker when Conte was manager, I mean look at Inter's squad now, Roma's too.  He remains a fantastic manager but for team building taking a squad to a certain level and nothing else to offer for me, and the first instance you take Conte i.e. I take Conte as example because I know him better than to take lets say Simeone as example is seen as irrational

For the bold part I can somewhat agree.

P.S. Call me Devi

The only thing I like about conte is his grinta he shows, in the pitch. The fact that he was a former captain and a player of juventus made him propel juve with his charisma. Unlike allegri, we won't see him have the grinta. I would mostly see him with his stresser face with the players. Even after our victories, he won't celebrate. I wanna see him celebrate when we win the scudetto, for the first time!

DeviAngel wrote:

S wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:


And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

As usual you need to make an irrational post just cause you dont agree with someone and resort to bashing Conte now that he's no longer with us after all the great work he did in the last few seasons.
Ofcourse Conte would've passed this year's group.Lets stop behaving like Allegri is taking us to unprecedented heights.He's doing a good job thus far,but nothing completely out of the ordinary in my opinion.

And as usual you have to be the sheriff spreading the justice and act like the smartest Surag.

Lol I am responding to his 'what above average coach does' and we had one so I took Conte as example, but it seems as usual you seem to target me that's the thing I've noticed, If you don't agree S its simple don't.  All I'm saying is that Allegri is doing a good job not an average one, to say that Alessio and Carrera would have done the same is crazy.

Calling me irrational because I don't agree that Allegri is not an average coach and on the level of Alessio and Carrera? Ok than I'm irrational.

Devi,i just want to say one thing.You need to promote a healthy debate here.All i'm seeing is you getting worked up because you dont agree with someone which is happening often here.Now i know ppl can be really negative  but it isnt helping when you go to the other end of extremes.
I called you irrational because you were just discrediting his post while he(Katy) made some valid points and you were overexaggerating to the point where you were almost distorting the facts.
I dont know why is that you always have to choose one side and defend to death,how about having some middle ground ?
I have no intention to get into a scuffle here but i called you out here coz i have seen this happening often.Everybody has their perspective and as long as they're not insulting each other,i think its fine.I'm saying this coz you're the admin of the forum.It doesnt set a good example when the mod himself is getting too worked up over posts.There are a lot of negative nancies on the Arsenal forum for instance but you dont see people quarreling with each other nor does the admin there for that matter.

If by all means if you think i'm breaking the rules here,you can go exercise your mod powers on me.I gave my opinion here.

S wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

S wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:


And yet we didn't qualify last year because our amazing manager didn't had the balls to change formation after all teams had us figured out even scrub teams like Copenhagen You can't compare Allegri with CArrera nad Alessio come one be realistic. This man took Sassuolo to serie a, finished 9th with average Cagliari and won scudetto he deserves more recognition. He won against 2x times stronger Barcelona home and had a great chance to qualify if Niang scored that chance away in front of an empty goal.


We have no alternative for Llorente, Morata's finishing is worse than Pereyra's. Marchisio last year was none existent this year he is shining, player have new roles.

Its simple the man is changing this Juve to a more eu style, while with conte we were stuck in the classic italian style. Watch him quit Italy post.

plus its worth mentioning that when Conte was our manager Serie A teams were shit unlike this year, when they improved much.

one quick question Do you watch Juve? And do you think Conte would have passed this group be honest? I think he would have drawn against Copenhagen lost to Olympiakos and lost against ATM at home.

As usual you need to make an irrational post just cause you dont agree with someone and resort to bashing Conte now that he's no longer with us after all the great work he did in the last few seasons.
Ofcourse Conte would've passed this year's group.Lets stop behaving like Allegri is taking us to unprecedented heights.He's doing a good job thus far,but nothing completely out of the ordinary in my opinion.

And as usual you have to be the sheriff spreading the justice and act like the smartest Surag.

Lol I am responding to his 'what above average coach does' and we had one so I took Conte as example, but it seems as usual you seem to target me that's the thing I've noticed, If you don't agree S its simple don't.  All I'm saying is that Allegri is doing a good job not an average one, to say that Alessio and Carrera would have done the same is crazy.

Calling me irrational because I don't agree that Allegri is not an average coach and on the level of Alessio and Carrera? Ok than I'm irrational.

Devi,i just want to say one thing.You need to promote a healthy debate here.All i'm seeing is you getting worked up because you dont agree with someone which is happening often here.Now i know ppl can be really negative  but it isnt helping when you go to the other end of extremes.
I called you irrational because you were just discrediting his post while he(Katy) made some valid points and you were overexaggerating to the point where you were almost distorting the facts.
I dont know why is that you always have to choose one side and defend to death,how about having some middle ground ?
I have no intention to get into a scuffle here but i called you out here coz i have seen this happening often.Everybody has their perspective and as long as they're not insulting each other,i think its fine.I'm saying this coz you're the admin of the forum.It doesnt set a good example when the mod himself is getting too worked up over posts.There are a lot of negative nancies on the Arsenal forum for instance but you dont see people quarreling with each other nor does the admin there for that matter.

If by all means if you think i'm breaking the rules here,you can go exercise your mod powers on me.I gave my opinion here.

The thing is you seem to misunderstood me in every single post I don't why. I am all up for healthy debate I have nothing against Katy and tbh I agree with him/her about more posts example for our defense, Barzagli's importance etc. I just took Conte as example for above average coach, a person I know the best out of all coaches in the other clubs simply because he was our coach and I find that as the most fit example S.

I don't get worked up, but I don't like people coming in here ( i am certain you are talking about Elm) just spread negativity, create trouble, and then they are gone until the next loss.

I don't think you are breaking the rules, I think you are not understanding my posts for exampel the Firmino > isco one it was sarcastic it even had lol ( forgot to put : to make it emotion) and you called me out, simpel as that.

and if I wanted to ban someone or if I was serious I would have done that, sometimes you have to act like you are close to that in order for someone to at least take a 2nd thought

I am certainly not misunderstanding you but you are very angry nowadays and taking some people's posts very seriously.I think the 'tension' can be eased out here if you dont give too much attention to posts you dont like to read imo.I too was getting very angry at Salmano's posts until i stopped giving much attention to it.
Elm is negative and exagerrates a lot too but he is not insulting anyone primarily or getting personal,so thats ok with me.I dont pay that much attention to his posts either cos i know whats coming from him.He's been a forum member for long enough as you know and not the troublesome kind like JNC or Sciacca.
Imo we need to represent ourselves as a community here and not a group of individuals as we've been here for quite a while.Thats what i'd like to see in the end.

S wrote:I am certainly not misunderstanding you but you are very angry nowadays and taking some people's posts very seriously.I think the 'tension' can be eased out here if you dont give too much attention to posts you dont like to read imo.I too was getting very angry at Salmano's posts until i stopped giving much attention to it.
Elm is negative and exagerrates a lot too but he is not insulting anyone primarily or getting personal,so thats ok with me.I dont pay that much attention to his posts either cos i know whats coming from him.He's been a forum member for long enough as you know and not the troublesome kind like JNC or Sciacca.
Imo we need to represent ourselves as a community here and not a group of individuals as we've been here for quite a while.Thats what i'd like to see in the end.

Then lets all post more regular every single new, and stuff. Let's light up the place, only salmano has been trying recently. I just don't like ppl like that coming making trouble than leaving and waiting for a new hit like a rogue

DeviAngel wrote:

S wrote:I am certainly not misunderstanding you but you are very angry nowadays and taking some people's posts very seriously.I think the 'tension' can be eased out here if you dont give too much attention to posts you dont like to read imo.I too was getting very angry at Salmano's posts until i stopped giving much attention to it.
Elm is negative and exagerrates a lot too but he is not insulting anyone primarily or getting personal,so thats ok with me.I dont pay that much attention to his posts either cos i know whats coming from him.He's been a forum member for long enough as you know and not the troublesome kind like JNC or Sciacca.
Imo we need to represent ourselves as a community here and not a group of individuals as we've been here for quite a while.Thats what i'd like to see in the end.

Then lets all post more regular every single new, and stuff. Let's light up the place, only salmano has been trying recently. I just don't like ppl like that coming making trouble than leaving and waiting for a new hit like a rogue

come on I have been this section's rogue for a long time and am not retiring anytime soon as there's none worthy to take my spot yet (when one arrives I shall happily move on, am sure you are just waiting for that day to arrive)

but linking me with creating trouble i must say is sad, you have put me at the end of your verbal onslaughts most of the time, I always ignore them just because I don't want sides being created and another forum feud.... just because I express my views (sorry not everyone sees all the positives, when glaring negatives are there) plus I always try to light up the forum as much as i can when am on....

grad school and work gets in the way a lot these days so i normally leave the match day thread to salmano (whose doing a good job by the way) and normally just read these days cos i don't want to be at the end of your verbal abuse mostly so I refrain from posting till I can't take the exaggerated posts about Marotta or players who are unworthy of such praise, but i can always not post at all and just read if it makes this place better.....

elm_baraja_shaman wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

S wrote:I am certainly not misunderstanding you but you are very angry nowadays and taking some people's posts very seriously.I think the 'tension' can be eased out here if you dont give too much attention to posts you dont like to read imo.I too was getting very angry at Salmano's posts until i stopped giving much attention to it.
Elm is negative and exagerrates a lot too but he is not insulting anyone primarily or getting personal,so thats ok with me.I dont pay that much attention to his posts either cos i know whats coming from him.He's been a forum member for long enough as you know and not the troublesome kind like JNC or Sciacca.
Imo we need to represent ourselves as a community here and not a group of individuals as we've been here for quite a while.Thats what i'd like to see in the end.

Then lets all post more regular every single new, and stuff. Let's light up the place, only salmano has been trying recently. I just don't like ppl like that coming making trouble than leaving and waiting for a new hit like a rogue

come on I have been this section's rogue for a long time and am not retiring anytime soon as there's none worthy to take my spot yet (when one arrives I shall happily move on, am sure you are just waiting for that day to arrive)

but linking me with creating trouble i must say is sad, you have put me at the end of your verbal onslaughts most of the time, I always ignore them just because I don't want sides being created and another forum feud.... just because I express my views (sorry not everyone sees all the positives, when glaring negatives are there) plus I always try to light up the forum as much as i can when am on....

grad school and work gets in the way a lot these days so i normally leave the match day thread to salmano (whose doing a good job by the way) and normally just read these days cos i don't want to be at the end of your verbal abuse mostly so I refrain from posting till I can't take the exaggerated posts about Marotta or players who are unworthy of such praise, but i can always not post at all ad just read if it makes this place better.....

Let's bury the war axes.

What do you study O.o ?

DeviAngel wrote:

S wrote:I am certainly not misunderstanding you but you are very angry nowadays and taking some people's posts very seriously.I think the 'tension' can be eased out here if you dont give too much attention to posts you dont like to read imo.I too was getting very angry at Salmano's posts until i stopped giving much attention to it.
Elm is negative and exagerrates a lot too but he is not insulting anyone primarily or getting personal,so thats ok with me.I dont pay that much attention to his posts either cos i know whats coming from him.He's been a forum member for long enough as you know and not the troublesome kind like JNC or Sciacca.
Imo we need to represent ourselves as a community here and not a group of individuals as we've been here for quite a while.Thats what i'd like to see in the end.

Then lets all post more regular every single new, and stuff. Let's light up the place, only salmano has been trying recently. I just don't like ppl like that coming making trouble than leaving and waiting for a new hit like a rogue

Yeah, I agree, we need to post more in here. We made some changes to the forum and its been good really, very organised, unlike before where someone would just post a news for the sake of it. So why not post more often?

Before, when I was a lurker, I used to see lots of posts per day to the degree that I wouldn't have time to read them all. But now, its sometimes dead. On same days, we would see 0 posts per day.

The argument here was good and heated, good discussion made by Katy lol. And elm, hahaha your negativity sometimes infuriates me just like with others lol.

@S, welcome back dude, its been a while.

elm_baraja_shaman wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

S wrote:I am certainly not misunderstanding you but you are very angry nowadays and taking some people's posts very seriously.I think the 'tension' can be eased out here if you dont give too much attention to posts you dont like to read imo.I too was getting very angry at Salmano's posts until i stopped giving much attention to it.
Elm is negative and exagerrates a lot too but he is not insulting anyone primarily or getting personal,so thats ok with me.I dont pay that much attention to his posts either cos i know whats coming from him.He's been a forum member for long enough as you know and not the troublesome kind like JNC or Sciacca.
Imo we need to represent ourselves as a community here and not a group of individuals as we've been here for quite a while.Thats what i'd like to see in the end.

Then lets all post more regular every single new, and stuff. Let's light up the place, only salmano has been trying recently. I just don't like ppl like that coming making trouble than leaving and waiting for a new hit like a rogue

come on I have been this section's rogue for a long time and am not retiring anytime soon as there's none worthy to take my spot yet (when one arrives I shall happily move on, am sure you are just waiting for that day to arrive)

but linking me with creating trouble i must say is sad, you have put me at the end of your verbal onslaughts most of the time, I always ignore them just because I don't want sides being created and another forum feud.... just because I express my views (sorry not everyone sees all the positives, when glaring negatives are there) plus I always try to light up the forum as much as i can when am on....

grad school and work gets in the way a lot these days so i normally leave the match day thread to salmano (whose doing a good job by the way) and normally just read these days cos i don't want to be at the end of your verbal abuse mostly so I refrain from posting till I can't take the exaggerated posts about Marotta or players who are unworthy of such praise, but i can always not post at all and just read if it makes this place better.....

Either way, Conte was never at this stage in his career going to take us further than we did barring a squad overhaul in which case any half decent manager could do well.


Allegri may not be a long term solution but neither was Conte as his mentality was becoming more and more frustrating every season.