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Post by halamadrid2 Sat May 14, 2016 7:46 pm

Benz does not show as much hunger as Suarez. Yet still he has not been bad. Benz scores regularly, the obly difference is he scores one goal as opposed to 2/3 goals that Suarez and all the other CFs score. If Benz scores 1 goal against Atleti i will be happy. I could not care less about worthless hattricks against teams like Depor and co. Just score when it matters and I am happy

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Post by Adit Sat May 14, 2016 7:55 pm

It blows my mind that Suarez in first full season scored 40 while Benzema in 7 years hasn't reached 25 goals mark..


We have turned into a team that believes everything we have is the best despite having nothing to show for it.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat May 14, 2016 8:00 pm

"Yet still he has not been bad" maybe that's the problem, do you want just ok or do you want excellent?

It's like when i say, we can keep Kroos at CM, he is great, but is he a game changer at his position right now? could you find a player that move the chains more than he does in that role? answer is yes.

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Post by Adit Sat May 14, 2016 8:01 pm

What makes Suarez much better than Benzema is 3 things.

1. Unreal off the ball movement.

Benzema's movement is much easier for defenders to deal with than say Higuain or Suarez.

2. Dribbling ability

Nothing to add. A CF will always end up one on one sometimes and one with dribbling ability scores while the other has to wait for back up to arrive.

3. Defensive work rate.

No comparison here.
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Post by sportsczy Sat May 14, 2016 8:28 pm

Who is better out there other than Suarez?  Please enlighten me Laughing Has there been a "better scorer" in Europe this season in terms of goal per appearance except for Suarez and Higuain? Hint: No.

He's not the primary scorer at Madrid because CR pretty much plays CF next to him. Messi has taken a lower role to allow Suarez to become the primary scorer. Would CR ever do that for anyone? No.

Focusing on the wrong players. Our issue isn't goalscoring. We scored 110 La Liga goals despite the injuries and Barca have 112. We're more than elite there.

In fact, over the past 2 months, we have been the best club team in football by a pretty big margin.
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Post by sportsczy Sat May 14, 2016 8:34 pm

Benzema and Bale have been our most consistent players this season. No let down whatsoever when they played. Everyone else, including CR, have had their ups and downs.
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Post by Lucifer Sat May 14, 2016 8:38 pm

Suarez scores more because Barca midfield/ Messi creates more chances for him. Who creates for Benzema? Marcelo?. On contrary he is expected to create for other two divas. I wouldn't say Suarez is much better than Benz except maybe for fitness and workrate. I have rarely seen benzema miss those sitters that Suarez misses in abundance. Inside box if fed well Benz is much better scorer than Suarez imo.

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Post by halamadrid2 Sat May 14, 2016 8:40 pm

Scoring the most wont win you the league. Griezmann has scored around 22 goals and they were in LaLiga till the 2nd last game and are in the CL final while Ronaldo has been scoring 60 goals regularly and we have 1 league title to show for it. Benzema's flaws are his passiveness and inability to run off the ball. I wish he manned up on the pitch rather than off it but you cant tell me that he has not been scoring regularly this season. I am happy with his contribution this season. Suarez scored 8 goals in 2 games to inflate his numbers if Benzema scored those goals and dissapeared when it mattered i would have been mad

Our problem is our fittness. Prior to this game BBC only played together 19 times. Thats apoorling yet still as a trident they have scored bucketloads of goals


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Post by sportsczy Sat May 14, 2016 8:46 pm

I don't think we could have done any better than we have since mid March tbh...  we won at Camp Nou, have won 12 La Liga games in a row and made CL final.   Everything is nitpicking at this point.

Want to blame someone?  Look at Rafa.  The hole he dug for us was too deep in La Liga.
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Post by Doc Sat May 14, 2016 9:09 pm

Only 19 times they've played together, that is indeed appalling. Still, I would definitely put some of the blame to Rafa for what he accomplished in the 1st part of the season (not a shitting thing). The rest can be divided up into dreadful fitness levels, player form, Barcelona being ridiculously good for too long and Hala.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun May 15, 2016 7:42 am

Please I can still save us from a CL final loss

If I could get Higuain back right now I'd pay his price with my own money No
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Post by Adit Sun May 15, 2016 9:56 am

Lucifer wrote:Suarez scores more because Barca midfield/ Messi creates more chances for him. Who creates for Benzema? Marcelo?. On contrary he is expected to create for other two divas. I wouldn't say Suarez is much better than Benz except maybe for fitness and workrate. I have rarely seen benzema miss those sitters that  Suarez misses in abundance. Inside box if fed well Benz is much better scorer than Suarez imo.


Benzema the creator myth. Laughing

Why is it that both Bale and Ronaldo has more assists than Benzema . Especially Bale has been our main creator this season.  Even bit part players like isco and Vasquez have as much assists as him.

He is not a creative specialist. A creative specialist is someone like Messi or Ibra.

So we have a player who isn't scoring because of CR nor is assisting as much as both CR and Bale Laughing

By far the worst starting CF in Madrid who has completed 5+ years.

7 years for this guy
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Post by Valkyrja Sun May 15, 2016 11:25 am

The thing with benzema is that he doesn't excel at anything Laughing not a great finisher, passer, dribbler, slower than hell. and this creative shit has to stop, i've never seen him play a through ball.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun May 15, 2016 2:23 pm

Valkyrja wrote:The thing with benzema is that he doesn't excel at anything Laughing not a great finisher, passer, dribbler, slower than hell. and this creative shit has to stop, i've never seen him play a through ball.


Disagree. He's arguably excellent at breaking up opposition counters and protecting the back 4
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Post by Valkyrja Sun May 15, 2016 2:26 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Valkyrja wrote:The thing with benzema is that he doesn't excel at anything Laughing not a great finisher, passer, dribbler, slower than hell. and this creative shit has to stop, i've never seen him play a through ball.


Disagree. He's arguably excellent at breaking up opposition counters and protecting the back 4


not quiet. don't be deceived by that DMzema shit. he's a regista.
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Post by titosantill Sun May 15, 2016 3:32 pm

lol.
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Post by Adit Sun May 15, 2016 5:52 pm

Think I was a bit too harsh on Benzema. While his past 6 seasons scoring record is Giroud level but this season was a step in the right direction. Injuries ruined what would have been his break through year interms of scoring. We should see if he can score 25+ next season then decide.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sun May 15, 2016 6:17 pm

^ I see Chad and sports have been sending you death threats again Very Happy
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed May 18, 2016 8:17 am

The 3 back up LBs we are after according to LaSexta:
Miguel Layun-Porto
Wendell-Leverkusen
Rodriguez-Wolfsburg

Layun should be an automatic no, no offense to him, he might just be a great player but I am done buying off Porto. Havent seen Wendell play yet and Rodriguez will be an even more expensive back up than Danilo

Meh
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Post by Valkyrja Wed May 18, 2016 8:44 am

Why don't we buy Gaya ? Good enough to rotate with Marcelo and young enough to eventually become a starter after the Brazilian declines.
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Post by titosantill Wed May 18, 2016 9:54 am

i don't want anyone from porto neither...not about danilo, but those always overcharge for players
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed May 18, 2016 2:02 pm

Gaya is even worse defensively than Marcelo. He has lost his once secure place at LB now. I need a non-injured Coentrao. Despite all the whinging about being misunderstood and what not he was excellent to use when Marcelo gave you those "walking" performances he sometimes gives us.

Regardless of who it is, we are going to overpay which I dont understand because we are hardly desperate
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed May 18, 2016 2:40 pm

Layun... i dont know him
Wendell... from people who watch him is a terrible defender
Ricardo Rodriguez... not a fan
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Post by Turok_TTZ Thu May 19, 2016 1:33 am

Layun didnt disappoint me for Club America, has yet to disappoint me for the national team either.

If I ever wanted to get rid of marcelo and replace him with a wingback who actually runs back to defend the whole 90 mins, delivers top crosses going forward, and has a killer long shot, Layun would be my prime pick.
Workrate wise, he shits on marcelo by quite the distance. similar to Carjaval but more offensive minded yet takes his defensive duties just as seriously. take that as you will. a proper modern wingback who knows his role.

Having said that, would rather he stay at porto or watford. I don't think Madrid is a good place for him and it would be a waste anyways. I rather not see him here as a benchwarmer. my nt needs him to be a starter. What happened with Hernandez still very fresh in my memory. if he had a weakness, it would be that he isnt technical enough. he can hold the ball solid, just not great. can sure cross the ball though. too many times his crosses bailed out my family team (when he was there) and nt in key matches.

What annoys the hell out of me with current fullbacks/wingbacks is the simple things. Layun understands the simple shit. just put in proper shift and you wont be shit. too many fullbacks/wingbacks dont get the simple shit. too offensive or too defensive. Grrrr...
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Post by Valkyrja Sun May 22, 2016 1:13 pm

with the transfer ban coming perez will probably go for a boom summer. expect at least 2 galacticos, pogba and another one, possibly a striker, besides a few depth signings.
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Post by Turok_TTZ Sun May 22, 2016 11:21 pm

We're being linked with Kevin Gameiro.

Interesting... much better than Morata but I doubt the Seville ace will join us.
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