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Turok_TTZ wrote:Morata is not good enough. I do not understand why we don't give Mayoral a chance.

Morata isn't good enough, but Mayoral is?

I don't see the hype behind Mayoral, because he is a Spanish youth?

What about Mariano? Isnt he the top scorer for real madrid castilla? and best player bar none.

Oh, he isn't Spanish.

Mariano is a lot older than Mayoral. I think he is 22, Majoral is 18. Also Mayoral has missed a lot of Castilla games playing for Spain youth NT, Real Madrid juveniles in UEFA competition and called up to big team. But, the only one hyping him is Turok, and it was painfully obvious on weekend he isn't ready for big time. he isn't even as experienced as Morata was when he made his debut.

this was Majoral first season at 3rd level futbol. They may get promoted to Adelante (2nd level) and that will be the best option for his development. these guys get a little carried away with expectations for canteras, but reality is only a few of them make it to first division let alone with Madrid. it is especially real difficult if you try to make the jump from 2B, third level futbol. When Morata, Jese, Nacho, Denis, maybe Lucas, made it to 1st division, they were coming from a 2A (adelante, 2nd level), which is a much more gradual jump.

Cyborg there is a reason Mariano is 22 and still playing for Castilla. Kind of like Juanfran playing there till he was 24 and predictably looking better than the rest

halamadrid2 wrote:Cyborg there is a reason Mariano is 22 and still playing for Castilla. Kind of like Juanfran playing there till he was 24 and predictably looking better than the rest

Lucas Vasquez was 22 and playing for castilla.

Lucas was playing in the 2nd division with us. He then went to Espanyol and took over from Callejon. Being an instant him. Mariano was a bit part player for Castilla until Mayoral started training with the first team. Thats like a whole half season of getting minutes here and there. At the age of 22 just being able to break into this Castilla side is a sign in itself that he is not 1st team material

I think we should go after Hazard. Top, top player.

http://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/mercato-arsenal-s-active-sur-kante-971870.html

Kante has a release clause of 25 million euros... and everyone is on him. Come on Madrid. This is a no brainer.

Nah you have to think about where you play him first. It's very much a brainer.

We don't need B2Bs or DMs?  We don't need a Matuidi-type player?  News to me.  He's played both positions for Leicester as did Matuidi for St Etienne back in the day.

Rather have a pure DM than a B2B

Kante would not solve anything in our team. First he is too short, secondly he is too weak. We might as well play Kroos there. If we are to get a CDM then id like us to go after Bruno Soriano

Soriano is 33 wtf

Which is perfect for us. He hasnt lost his stride just yet. 33 year old Soriano as a back up who would rotate with Casemiro who is here for the long run is a win win scenario imo. Soriano can teach him how to pass and Casemiro can get a breather every now and again

Casemiro isn't good enough to be a FT starter for us imo. He's a good rotational player but we need a great DM.

halamadrid2 wrote:Kante would not solve anything in our team. First he is too short, secondly he is too weak. We might as well play Kroos there. If we are to get a CDM then id like us to go after Bruno Soriano

It's not he same to Play Kroos there, height has nothing to with that, Makelele was "short" and he bossed the midfield, Kante is more suited to play as a DLM he has the physical conditions that Kroos lacks, he is quicker and cover more ground than Kroos.

That was years ago. Makelele was damn strong too. Since Xabi days its 2 things our midfield has struggled with and thats long balls and physicality. Casemiro brings both those and more

sportsczy wrote:We don't need B2Bs or DMs?  We don't need a Matuidi-type player?  News to me.  He's played both positions for Leicester as did Matuidi for St Etienne back in the day.

we do, i was wondering whether we would go for Pogba actually, because if we do, there is no point in signing Kante.

There are runours that we are still after a GK and that Courtois is an option. I dont understand this club seriously. Navas is better than him and DDG yet we still want to replace him. At least with him the club cant taint his image with rumours of a raise as a reason for chipping him off because he is not interested in a raise just to play for us. Hope the players particularly the captains kick up a fuss like never before. Winning the CL will make it hard to get rid of him anyways

Regarding the striker position, Carlo will likely keep Lewa, Perez wont admit his mistake by buying back ElPipita, and Aubemayang is rated at over 70mill which we wont pay. That means we will go for a lesser known back up instead of a competitor. Maybe sweeten the James deal by getting Dybala or actually keeping Morata instead of selling him off like an item. Who knows but there arent many options out there

In regards to the DM position we have only been linked to Kyrchoviak for a couple of seasons now so he is probably the guy we will get. I dont mind that. He wont be bad as a back up.

Nacho will most likely definitely leave because of that POS VDB so we are going to have to find a guy like him. I'd much rather not buy one. Just get Llorente back to play that role

Marcelo's back up if he even gets one finally is going to be another overpriced unneeded player. For those of you who want Gaya please watch him for Valencia when he actually gets to play. He is worse than Marcelo defensively. I'd rather have a defensive back up like a less injured Coentrao. We have been linked with Rodriquez, that LB from Napoli and noone. We are probably going to get Rodriguez for 30mill and he will be forced to play ala Danilo. Meh

Players out on loan we might take back:
Morata
Llorente
Asensio

Players out on loan that will continue on loan:
Burgui
Medran
Vallejo
Lucas Silva

Players we may loan out:
Jese
Mayoral
Llorente (he is already good enough for the first team)

Players we may sell or allow to leave:
Cherychev
Nacho
Arbeloa
James
Coentrao

So our roaster may look like:

Goalies: Navas (hopefully), Kiko, 3rd keeper
RB: Carvajal, Danilo
RCB: Varane, Pepe
LCB: Ramos, Llorente
LB: Marcelo, Rodriguez
CDM: Casemiro, Kyrchowiak
CMs: Modric, Kroos, Isco and Kovacic
Wingers: Ronaldo, Bale, Lucas and Asensio
Striker: Benz, lord knows maybe Morata

Not bad

No way we don't make any improvements in the first 11 especially since we won't be able to buy in 2017. I expect Perez to make 2 galactico signings

I'm stil hoping that we'll sign Dybala. I'd be really hyped if we sign Dembele. 18,great prospect and he's the leading dribbler in Europe,5.2. dribbles per game.

halamadrid2 wrote:There are runours that we are still after a GK and that Courtois is an option. I dont understand this club seriously. Navas is better than him and DDG yet we still want to replace him. At least with him the club cant tain with rumours of a raise as a reason for chipping him off because he is not interested in a raise just to play for us. Hope the players particularly the captains kick up a fuss like never before. Winning the CL will make it hard to get rid of him anyways

Regarding the striker position, Carlo will likely keep Lewa, Perez wont admit his mistake by buying back ElPipita, and Aubemayang is rated at over 70mill which we wont pay. That means we will go for a lesser known back up instead of a competitor. Maybe sweeten the James deal by getting Dybala or actually keeping Morata instead of selling him off like an item. Who knows but there arent many options out there

In regards to the DM position we have only been linked to Kyrchoviak for a couple of seasons now so he is probably the guy we will get. I dont mind that. He wont be bad as a back up.

Nacho will most likely definitely leave because of that POS VDB so we are going to have to find a guy like him. I'd much rather not buy one. Just get Llorente back to play that role

Marcelo's back up if he even gets one finally is going to be another overpriced unneeded player. For those of you who want Gaya please watch him for Valencia when he actually gets to play. He is worse than Marcelo defensively. I'd rather have a defensive back up like a less injured Coentrao. We have been linked with Rodriquez, that LB from Napoli and noone. We are probably going to get Rodriguez for 30mill and he will be forced to play ala Danilo. Meh

Players out on loan we might take back:
Morata
Llorente
Asensio

Players out on loan that will continue on loan:
Burgui
Medran
Vallejo
Lucas Silva

Players we may loan out:
Jese
Mayoral
Llorente (he is already good enough for the first team)

Players we may sell or allow to leave:
Cherychev
Nacho
Arbeloa
James
Coentrao

So our roaster may look like:

Goalies: Navas (hopefully), Kiko, 3rd keeper
RB: Carvajal, Danilo
RCB: Varane, Pepe
LCB: Ramos, Llorente
LB: Marcelo, Rodriguez
CDM: Casemiro, Kyrchowiak
CMs: Modric, Kroos, Isco and Kovacic
Wingers: Ronaldo, Bale, Lucas and Asensio
Striker: Benz, lord knows maybe Morata

Not bad

No way is Navas better than De Gea or Courtois. He may be equal at this point, but not greater. His drawback despite a great year is his age. The other two are already top GKs and they have years of excellent service in front of them. Navas has not been without faults this year particularly in Nov & Dec and club took note of that and that is the reason a possible GK may be in store.

Why do you assume Nacho might leave (he has gotten a lot of action this season, much more than previous seasons and his versatility makes him an important squad player) and what does Del Bosque have to do with it (and why do you consider him a POS? esp after he was one of the best Managers our club has ever had).

And why do you keep assuming Llorente is ahead of Vallejo in the pecking order?

Other than that, I agree with Val that there is no way Perez doesn't make an "impact" signing with a possible ban coming.

Sorry Bill...  Navas has been every bit as good, and arguably better, than both De Gea and Courtois.  He's been immense.  The hesitations I described a couple of months ago are almost entirely gone.  It's been fixed.  He's doing everything and communicating extremely well with his CBs.  Only saw a misunderstanding with Pepe... but that was on Pepe.  If a keeper doesn't want to come out and get the ball, you clear it.

Llorente over a Vallejo because the latter needs to play many games at this point while Llorente might be OK with Nacho's current minutes. I hope we sell that scrub danilo and make Nacho Carvajal's FT backup

@bill,

Regarding Nacho. VDB said that he will take him to Euros but told him if he wants to be picked after he needs to be a starter i.e. he needs to leave us. He is a pos because he still has a grudge against our club. He will call up a bunch of Barca scrubs like Montoya, Tello, Pedro, Cesc yet Isco has to prove himself every single game and the best RB in the world Carvajal doesnt even get called up lmao. I will never forget the time he called up Deulofeu who had only played in Barca's B team over Jese and Morata who were part of the first team and getting minutes everywhere. Watch him call up anyone but Lucas despite Lucas basically being a starter for us this season with Bale's injuries

Llorente is ahead because he is ahead in his development. He has been playing in LaLiga while Vallejo has been playing in Segunda. There was an article a couple of months ago in Marca that Llorente was one of the players we'd bring back this summer.

sportsczy wrote:Sorry Bill...  Navas has been every bit as good, and arguably better, than both De Gea and Courtois.  He's been immense.  The hesitations I described a couple of months ago are almost entirely gone.  It's been fixed.  He's doing everything and communicating extremely well with his CBs.  Only saw a misunderstanding with Pepe... but that was on Pepe.  If a keeper doesn't want to come out and get the ball, you clear it.

I disagree Sports. I have said Navas had a great season. I'm saying he is not better than the other two, possibly lo mismo. But it's his age is were the possible opening for a change comes into play. Re he communicating better with his CBs, possibly, but there is one noticeable difference that you hear (or don't) when watching games in Bernabeu. That is you can't hear Navas giving any instructions at all. With Iker, as well as De Gea, you hear them shouting regardless of where you are in the stadium. That is a portero taking control of his defense!!

But all this is speculation. Flo will do what Flo wants to do regardless of what we think or what kind of year Navas has had.

halamadrid2 wrote:@bill,

Regarding Nacho. VDB said that he will take him to Euros but told him if he wants to be picked after he needs to be a starter i.e. he needs to leave us. He is a pos because he still has a grudge against our club. He will call up a bunch of Barca scrubs like Montoya, Tello, Pedro, Cesc yet Isco has to prove himself every single game and the best RB in the world Carvajal doesnt even get called up lmao. I will never forget the time he called up Deulofeu who had only played in Barca's B team over Jese and Morata who were part of the first team and getting minutes everywhere. Watch him call up anyone but Lucas despite Lucas basically being a starter for us this season with Bale's injuries

Llorente is ahead because he is ahead in his development. He has been playing in LaLiga while Vallejo has been playing in Segunda. There was an article a couple of months ago in Marca that Llorente was one of the players we'd bring back this summer.

rr

@Hala,

VDB has a grudge against Flo not the club and rightfully so. he was fired because he wasn't pretty enough!!! Despite the fact that he had won CL. re his Barca choices over Madrid, the rest of Spain is wondering why it is always those two clubs primarily selected. Del Bosque has called up Morata (for sure he is going to Euros, may even be a starter), Isco, Nacho and Dani. Dani was nursing an injury last time there were callups and thus not called up, but otherwise he would have been. i expect him to be backup to Juanfran for euros. (He will be backup as Juan fran has much more experience than him at this point). he tells all his players that if they are not starters they may not be selected. And wouldn't you!!!!

being a national coach, you can't show favouritism to any club, you make your choices based on what you see on the field!!! That does not make him a POS. And for the record, to us Spaniards our national team is likely more important to us than our favourite club.