Zidane pre WC 98 vs Ozil pre WC 2014

Reading comprehension is not your strength. Maybe reading in general lol...

Here's the 1997 Ballot details:
http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/europa-poy97.html

If you go to the top of the page where it describes the voting, you would notice that a total of 51 ballots were cast with each country as shown getting 1 vote (the top media for that country was chosen by France Football). France Football gets the vote for France. If you count the countries on top.... there are 51. Italy and San Marino each got 1 vote if you bother to look...

crawl back into your hole chump.

December 22, 1998. An article from La Gazetta dello Sport, titled "Brilla il mondo di Zidane" -- celebrating the Ballon d'Or success of Zidane.

[...] Come ha votato la giuria italiana La giuria italiana, composta da Roberto Beccantini ("La Stampa") e Sergio Di Cesare ("La Gazzetta dello Sport"), ha cosi' votato: 1) ---, 2) ---, 3) ---, 4) ---, 5) ---. Come ogni altra giuria, questa scheda e' valsa ai giocatori rispettivamente 5, 4, 3, 2 e 1 punto. [...]

The "Italian media" had one vote. However, the "Italian media" consisted of two delegates: Roberto Beccantini and Sergio Di Cesare. That is an undeniable fact.

I've edited out who they voted for, because I want you to answer that question. But you refuse to. I wonder why.

you asked me what the italian delegation was for Ballon d'or.  there is no offical delegation.  France football assigns the vote to one media in the country in question.  If that media wants to hold a national referendum to cast its vote, that has nothing to do with BdO.  It's not their problem.  The process in the country is irrelevant to them...  all they care about is that ballot is handed on time and signed by the party they designated.

As far as how the voting went...  i was looking at 1997, not 1998 BdO.  the correct choices would have been R9 in 1997 and Zidane in 1998.  I assume they voted Zidane in 1998 because it was undeniable.  In 1997...  not so certain about 1997.  if they didn't vote r9, then i assume it was Del Piero. The 1998 votes happened post WC since BdO is for a CY and the voting is typicall in Nov/Dec.

The bottom line though is that all of Europe viewed Zidane as a top 3 player in both 1997 and 1998 while Del Piero was 20th and 16th.  I explained why that wasn't outrageous for Del Piero in the last page and i don't feel like repeating my opinion...

No, I did not ask you that. Why are you still lying?

Pippo wrote:Who do you think the Italian media representatives voted for in the 1998 Ballon d'Or?

Pippo wrote:Who do you think the Italian media delegates voted for in the 1997 [sic] Ballon d'Or, and in what order?

"Delegate" and "Representative" are synonymous with each other.

Here is the definition of "delegate", because you seemingly don't understand what it means: a person sent or authorized to represent others

I asked who the Italian media representatives/delegates voted for, because you claimed a group of people considered Zidane and Del Piero to be the best after Ronaldo.

Remember this quote?

sportsczy wrote:Del Piero and Zidane were fantastic that year.  They were both considered the best players after R9.

dude.... all i care is the official delegate designated by France Football.  That's your question.  If you wanted me to answer how that official delegate arrived at his vote, then ask the proper question.

My answer to you is that there was no official italian delegation as recognized by BdO.  They had one vote assigned to a specific party.  How that party arrived at his vote is irrelevant to France Football.

There is no official "media representatives" or "media delegations" for Italy or anywhere else. There is one media assigned one vote by France Football.  That's how it works.

Anyhow, i'm done talking to your clown arse who doesn't know how to ask questions in English.  You're on my ignore list.  Have a good life.  Hope you take some English classes though

Your argument that Del Piero was somehow better than Zidane in either 1997 or 1998 is completely garbage and has been properly garbaged

The official Italian delegates as per France Football were Roberto Beccantini and Sergio Di Cesare. These are the people who agreed on their vote for the 1998 Ballon d'Or. This is a fact.

I have never once asked you "how" the Italian media arrived at their vote. I asked "who" they voted for, something you consistently ignore.

I never once claimed that Del Piero was better than Zidane in 1997 or 1998. I merely showed the opinions of "Italian football experts" who believed Del Piero was better than Zidane in 1997-98.

All you do is lie and manipulate statements in order to form a baseless argument. And when I expose your ways, you post offensive comments and act like a child.

sportsczy wrote:He was... didn't play up to par in WCs, which is really all that mattered back in those days.  Brazil had the most talented teams by far in 1978 and 1982 and arguably even in 1986.  Only one semifinal in those 3 teams and that was in 1978...  and Zico missed a critical PK against France that got them eliminated in 1986.  He was 33 in 1986, so ok there.  But still.

That was the big knock on him.  Played great in meaningless games for NT and not in WCs.  He had 6 goals in 20 WC games or something like that and scored 46 in the other 52 NT games.

i take back what i said,could have sworn he won a copa america

Such a useless argument. Talking about the nationality of the committee that did some vote two decades ago. Anyway, here are some vids.

Vs AC-Milan 95-96:

Vs Milan 96-97 :

Vs Udinese 96-97 (Not sure if this is the game Pippo referenced, Probably not, he played great):

Vs Verona 96-97:

Vs PSG 96-97:

Vs Spain 96:

Ajax 96-97:

That wasn't the argument.

That Udinese match is from the first-half of the season, definitely, not the one I was referring to.

That performance was in the middle of a small purple patch where Zidane played incredibly well against Sampdoria, Udinese, and Verona in that order; the Verona clip is part of that patch.

Milan (A) was one of his few good performances in the second-half of the season.

Leave him alone Josh... he has no idea what he's talking about.  It became clear over the last couple of pages.  Wants to act like he actually lived those times and saw all the games... which he obviously didn't.  Probably was 3-7 years old at the time

Zidane was great and WC.  Everyone who watched footy in the day (including me) had him as a top 5 player in Europe at least in 1997 going into the 98 WC.  After R9, it was pretty much a coin toss betweem Bergkamp, Zidane and Mijatovic in 1997.  After the 1998 WC, Zizou obviously became the best player in the world and remained that for many years.

Nobody cared about Del Piero because your rep was made with NT as much as club... and Del Piero was a flop there.  In fact, even his 1997-1998 club performance was widely considered a fluke... which is why he he got so little recognition on the continent.  Del Piero was pretty much headed towards the Cassano career path until it finally clicked starting in 2001 when he turned 27 for club at least.  His disappointing play with NT never got fixed however...

Shockingly enough, I have seen Zidane play for Juventus. From his first season until his transfer.

I am absolutely certain, and can guarantee that you will never be able to substantiate the claim that "Del Piero's 1997-98 season was widely considered a fluke".

Zidane was the best player in the world for many years after 1998? And you wonder why your opinion is worthless when it comes to this thread.

Semi pro sport ;)Not professional yet (hopefully i can get there). I know all this stuff about doping because I'm actually going for a degree into something medical lol

All i can say is, whether he did use epo, I promise it didn't give him ronaldinho type skills or gareth bale like athleticism. He wasn't on test or HGH pippo.. That's more serious shit

While I do enjoy Sporty Spice and Inzaghi's posts a lot, you two are arguing over semantics and technicalities. As for the OP, I really can't say because of the fact that I could only remember up to a certain time frame. I do know that by the time France 98 rolled in, Zidane was one of the talked about footballers with Ronaldo being the man on everyone's lips (rightfully so).

Fußball wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

Fußball wrote:

In your French dreams.

 Forget my dreams... why don't you google all the reputable footy magazines' top 10 rankings.  You'll see both Platini and Zidane in them.

What do I care about footy magazines, most of them directly associated with French papers or organizations like France Football, Onze Mondial etc. that hand out awards like European Player Of The Year, Onze d'Or etc. themselves? I have eyes.

Pele
Maradona
Messi
Beckenbauer
Cruyff
Di Stefano
Zico
Puskas
Eusebio
Best

There you have 10 that can't be even discussed. Zidane belongs somewhere between Rivaldo and Laudrup.

actually , lot of those names can be discussed .

and lol at rivaldo ranking higher than zidane .... dude played 4 years of consistent top level football , flopped in italy , spent his early 30's playing in shitty third tier leagues when zidane ( same age ) was still playing world class football at both real and with the national team....

This Worldwide top 10 fettish is disgusting

Trying to categorically pick 10 footballers who are the absolute best when they played in different

Leagues
Eras
Teams
Positions (My personal favourite)
and even Continents

Giggity5313 wrote:Semi pro sport ;)Not professional yet (hopefully i can get there). I know all this stuff about doping because I'm actually going for a degree into something medical lol

All i can say is, whether he did use epo, I promise it didn't give him ronaldinho type skills or gareth bale like athleticism. He wasn't on test or HGH pippo.. That's more serious shit

I never specifically said that Zidane used EPO, more alluding to the fact that more than one player on that team were found to have used it. It's not about testoterone or human growth hormone, the doping field is far more vast than a handful of substances. But there is absolutely no doubt that almost every player on that Juventus side was using performance enhancing drugs at the time.

It's his time to shine