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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:23 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:You can count the number of teams Fred wouldnt start for in the world cup on one hand

1.Chile
2.Ivory Coast
3.Argentina
4.Germany
5. Italy

He'd easily start for the rest.
No way he starts for Colombia and England.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:33 pm

As far as Freds confed cup goes, who cares?

Judging players in a glorified pre-season tournament is just as bad, if not worse than judging players via Youtube


Giaccherini was a beast in the Confed cup, as was Candreva.
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Post by urbaNRoots Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:33 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Betty La Fea wrote:You can count the number of teams Fred wouldnt start for in the world cup on one hand

1.Chile
2.Ivory Coast
3.Argentina
4.Germany
5. Italy

He'd easily start for the rest.
No way he starts for Colombia and England.

There are a lot more national teams he wouldn't start for, I thought the guy was being sarcastic.
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:33 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:You can count the number of teams Fred wouldnt start for in the world cup on one hand

1.Chile
2.Ivory Coast
3.Argentina
4.Germany
5. Italy

He'd easily start for the rest.
So fred wouldn't start for any of the contenders?
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:37 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Betty La Fea wrote:You can count the number of teams Fred wouldnt start for in the world cup on one hand

1.Chile
2.Ivory Coast
3.Argentina
4.Germany
5. Italy

He'd easily start for the rest.
No way he starts for Colombia and England.
US either.
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Post by BeautifulGame Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:48 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:You can count the number of teams Fred wouldnt start for in the world cup on one hand

1.Chile
2.Ivory Coast
3.Argentina
4.Germany
5. Italy

He'd easily start for the rest.

So now Fred better than Suarez / Cavani  Laughing 
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Post by Ganso Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:05 pm

make sure to not put his words on my mouth in the near future.I already said Fred would only start for us when it comes to top NTs
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Post by fatman123 Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:07 pm

sportsczy wrote:The midfield of Paulinho-Gustavo is world class too... don't forget.  They have fellow WC players Ramires and Lucas Leiva backing them up.

Ramires, so world class hes being rotated with a near fossilised Frank Lampard Proud
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:56 pm

BeautifulGame wrote:
Betty La Fea wrote:You can count the number of teams Fred wouldnt start for in the world cup on one hand

1.Chile
2.Ivory Coast
3.Argentina
4.Germany
5. Italy

He'd easily start for the rest.

So now Fred better than Suarez / Cavani  Laughing 

On the national level he's definitely better than Cavani.

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Post by RealGunner Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:03 am

Cavani plays at RW/LW for Uruguay.
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Post by farfan Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:25 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:As far as Freds confed cup goes, who cares?

Judging players in a glorified pre-season tournament is just as bad, if not worse than judging players via Youtube


and writing off players simply because they don't play in a top league isn't ?
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Post by LeBéninois Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:03 am

farfan wrote:
Tomwin Lannister wrote:As far as Freds confed cup goes, who cares?

Judging players in a glorified pre-season tournament is just as bad, if not worse than judging players via Youtube


and writing off players simply because they don't play in a top league isn't ?


well top players play in top leagues. Are we really going to argue about that ?

I've watched Fred at lyon regularly and no he's not a WC nor a top CF. doesn't mean he's a bad player, far from it. In the right system with the right player he can do a great job like he did in the confed cup. Would you say that Fabiano 2010 was WC or a top CF ? no.
Fred in doing a great job but he's a system player imo.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:31 am

farfan wrote:
Tomwin Lannister wrote:As far as Freds confed cup goes, who cares?

Judging players in a glorified pre-season tournament is just as bad, if not worse than judging players via Youtube


and writing off players simply because they don't play in a top league isn't ?

Hope this isn't aimed at me considering this is my first post on this debate

I'm just pointing out that using a Confed cup to justify an opinion is madness.
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Post by Donuts Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:44 am

why is it madness?
Spain took all their starters, and most definitely tried to call it a pointless pre-season tournament is stupid..
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Post by S Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:07 am

So basically,to sum up this thread,Fred starting for Brazil=Decline of South American talent pool Laughing

Seems a massive exaggeration.
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Post by Pip Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:10 am

I seriously wonder how people can call Fred a world-class player. How low are some of your standards?  scratch 

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Post by Kick Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:11 am

My question is why is a decline when but 10 years ago they were apparently fine, who is to say it won't pick up again 10 years from now? decline kind of implies it will never pick up.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:32 am

Kick wrote:My question is why is a decline when but 10 years ago they were apparently fine, who is to say it won't pick up again 10 years from now? decline kind of implies it will never pick up.

My question is why does Brazil not having a WC CF mean that the entire South American continent is out of talent? Did they have any WC CF in 1982? Yet that side is considered the most talented of all Brazilian sides... not to mention that Chile and Colombia have never been as strong as they are now, and Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay remain top 8 sides. SA football has definitely not declined.

Sidenote: Fred plays for a team that was 17th last season in the Brazilian league and narrowly escaped relegation. WC Laughing
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Post by Catracho Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:40 am

Brazilian League is the most unpredictable league in the world unlike other leagues (especially in Argentina), anyone could relegate and anyone could win.. there hasn't been a back to back winner since Sao Paulo almost 10 years ago or so. Fred was also injured majority of the season so he had no contribution towards their relegation, love how yall forget he was the leading scorer the season prior with 30+ goals and also scored a nice lump some prior to him going down last season.

Anywho Nick is reaching.. he said South America talent pool is declining because we don't have any up and coming greats when thats very wrong. SA has players dominating in Europe and in SA of all ages.. from Suarez to James Rodriguez to the next GOAT CB, Balanta of River Plate.. there's talent to spread.
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Post by M99 Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:04 am

S wrote:So basically,to sum up this thread,Fred starting for Brazil=Decline of South American talent pool Laughing

Seems a massive exaggeration.
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Post by Highburied Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:05 am

Brazil is overrated.

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Post by free_cat Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:07 am

I think South American talent pool it's stable. What it's not stable, as OP pointed out, it's Argentina's and especially Brazil's talent pool, that has declined.
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Post by free_cat Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:17 am

M99 wrote:
S wrote:So basically,to sum up this thread,Fred starting for Brazil=Decline of South American talent pool Laughing

Seems a massive exaggeration.

It's not only fred. It's going from this:

Rivaldo - Ronaldo - Ronaldinho

To this:

Hulk ? - Fred - Neymar

Neymar is the only one close to the three aforementioned players that won the WC in 2002.
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Post by Highburied Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:22 am

Strikers in general have disappeared.

When u you think of quality strikers, only a few come to mind.


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Post by guest_07 Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:24 am

free_cat wrote:
M99 wrote:
S wrote:So basically,to sum up this thread,Fred starting for Brazil=Decline of South American talent pool Laughing

Seems a massive exaggeration.

It's not only fred. It's going from this:

Rivaldo - Ronaldo - Ronaldinho

To this:

Hulk ? - Fred - Neymar

Neymar is the only one close to the three aforementioned players that won the WC in 2002.

this make sense

drop of quality there

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Post by Catracho Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:37 pm

Yet they still schooled the reigning champs in all facets of the game.

Class is permanent in Brasil, Hating isn't brah.

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