CBarca wrote:Shed is obsessed with AVB, it's funny Yes he did a shit job with Chelsea, I'm not sure why you are bitter considering how the season turned out. You'd think you are an anti-AVB Spurs fan

7 posts about the dolt here + 2 in the Chelsea section = obsessed


Ok



I think you're the one who's 'bitter' having to now face the reality that your saviour is just an empty
suit

You've been bitter about AVB since the first time I wandered in the Chelsea section a year ago

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy and manager André Villas-Boas had become distant

There was no common ground between André Villas-Boas and Daniel Levy as they met briefly after Tottenham Hotspur's 5-0 humiliation at home against Liverpool. And there had to be if they were to continue. Both men were hurt and as Levy sought answers, Villas-Boas bristled.

The conversation turned to whether Spurs could employ two strikers, for example, and Villas-Boas interpreted this as a suggestion that he should play Emmanuel Adebayor who he wanted out of the club, who had been a source of friction and who has been a crushing disappointment, despite being the highest earner. The conversation was not constructive.

Quickly the decision was taken to reconvene yesterday morning and, shortly after 10am, Villas-Boas and Levy decided that the time was right for the head coach to go. Technically he was not sacked and, in truth, the sense around Villas-Boas was that he wanted to go and was relieved it was over. He and Levy have never been, according to a source close to the Portuguese, a “dynamic duo”. By the end the relationship between the pair was ever more remote; it was not a meeting of minds.

That relationship had started awkwardly with the sale of Luka Modric in the summer of 2012 and the failure to sign Joao Moutinho at the 11th hour as his replacement – after apparently haggling over €500,000 on a €31 million (£26  million) bid – and it rarely improved after that.

Villas-Boas lost Modric one summer, Gareth Bale the next – even if £107  million was spent following the latter’s departure. He had called for evolution; he got revolution.

Villas-Boas was devastated not to acquire Moutinho and believed that he struggled to get any of the players he wanted signed by Spurs. It is a long and perhaps, at times, unrealistic list but included Oscar, Fernandinho, Willian, Leandro Damiao, Henrik Mkhitaryan, Fabio Coentrao, Hulk and David Villa. The latter was even taken on a tour of Spurs’ impressive new training ground but decided to join Atletico Madrid.

Levy did not interfere. Far from it. He does allow his staff to get on with their jobs but there is, on occasions, frustration that he appears to be a ‘numbers man’.
Not that Villas-Boas, a bright, likeable coach, was blameless. He is far warmer than his public image presents, with innovative ideas, but at times he is unrelenting, The 36-year-old had his fingers burnt at Chelsea and after an initial feeling that he would not return to English football he landed the Spurs job.

He had learnt important lessons. Villas-Boas needed to improve his man-management skills and become more flexible – and did so – and of all the criticism he has faced the claim that he had blamed the players or lost the dressing room is the one he refutes most vehemently.

However, the biggest irony is that here is a young coach who is firmly committed to attacking, exciting football – and wants to entertain – but was struggling to translate that on to the pitch. Again, though, it may well have just been a case of giving him time.
There was also a fractious relationship with Tim Sherwood, Spurs’ technical co-ordinator, and highly regarded by Levy, while it always remained unclear as to how effective an assistant manager Steffen Freund was, and who pushed for him to be hired.
The tension increased over the summer when Paris St-Germain asked for, and were granted, permission to speak to Villas-Boas to become their new head coach. Villas-Boas decided to stay but felt that Levy would have happily pocketed the £10 million it would have taken PSG to release him from his Spurs contract.

That contract, too, quickly became a bone of contention. Villas-Boas thought that Spurs might have improved his deal – which had one more year left to run after this season – after he showed loyalty and rejected PSG, but instead there was silence. He did not ask for a better deal but also, having lobbied for the appointment of director of football Franco Baldini, he thought, perhaps wrongly, perhaps naively, that it would be a sign that Spurs believed in him.

That is often the way with Villas-Boas. He rejects the comparisons with his former mentor Jose Mourinho but there are undoubted similarities. One of Mourinho’s mantras is that if everyone wears the same shirt then they should “show the same face” and all pull in the same direction. Villas-Boas believed that also. He also accepts that he is ‘Porto school’ – a product of the club he grew up supporting and went on to coach and may now return to as coach. At Porto there is a strong support system and a very clear way of operating. Villas-Boas did not believe he had that at Spurs.
A pinch point arrived last May on Spurs’ post-season tour to the Bahamas which was also used as an opportunity for Villas-Boas, Levy and the club’s owner Joe Lewis, who lives on the islands, to meet. Top of the agenda was Bale’s future, with Villas-Boas urging the club to keep him for one more year – and add Hulk and Villa to create a new forward line. Villas-Boas wanted that evolution – not a revolution – at Spurs in the playing staff but was also pushing for off-the-pitch changes, including the hiring of Baldini and the overhaul of the medical department. The signings were rejected and, of course, Bale was sold to Real Madrid for £85 million but only, in fairness, after he had pushed for the move. Spurs held talks with Manchester United, who were willing to pay £100 million and might also have taken Adebayor, but Bale was adamant that he only wanted to go to Madrid.

Baldini got to work in the transfer market with Villas-Boas happy with the pursuit of Paulinho, Roberto Soldado and Etienne Capoue but unsure that he wanted a radical overhaul. But Spurs reasoned they could act quickly and decisively to reinvest the Bale money and use the opportunity to create a new squad.

It was a gamble. And it also needed the pieces to fall together but, more importantly, a collective belief that this was not only the right thing to do but that Villas-Boas would be given the time to make it work – and he was the right man to make it work.
By now his relationship with Adebayor had deteriorated to such an extent that the striker was not to train with the first-team squad. Benoît Assou-Ekotto also had to be moved on and went to Queens Park Rangers on loan after a deal to sell him to Fenerbahce collapsed, to Villas-Boas’s frustration. Within minutes of the 5-0 defeat to Liverpool, Assou-Ekotto posted a picture on a social-network site of him and Adebayor holding up five fingers.

Rightly or wrongly, Villas-Boas felt the club had not backed him on Adebayor while Baldini continued to negotiate with Real president Fiorentino Pérez.
A deal was in place and Spurs decided to spend rather than bank the Bale cash – and with their seven signings, plus other departures, they ended the transfer window approximately £10 million up when fees and savings on wages were taken into account.

There was clear method in this – with the exception of Soldado, who is 28, and Paulinho, who has just turned 25, all the signings are young and should retain a resale value. The exception might be Erik Lamela who, although 21, cost around £30 million and was wanted by both Baldini and Villas-Boas. Baldini, having worked with the Argentinian at Roma, has faith that he will come good.

Spurs’ results at the start of the season were better than expected even if some performances were patchy. Their defensive solidity, racking up clean sheets, was unexpected given the number of changes and there was a growing sense of excitement at the club that they might be title contenders.

Not that Villas-Boas, or Baldini, thought that. They still reasoned that this was a season of transition and a top-four finish was the goal. However, there was a growing, disappointing gap developing between the pair, which was all the more unfortunate given Villas-Boas had previously urged Chelsea to hire Baldini; the Italian had wanted to take the coach to Roma, and then wanted to work with him at Spurs.
But matters were becoming increasingly strained and there were disagreements over the handling of Hugo Lloris’s head injury, with Villas-Boas determined that the goalkeeper was fit to play.

The 6-0 defeat by Manchester City began to expose the tension further, with Villas-Boas believing that if he had then lost to Manchester United, Levy might want to pull the trigger.

By now, he wanted to go. Villas-Boas did not appear a happy figure on the touchline and his goal celebrations did not possess the usual exuberance.
Could he turn things around and see through December? The games were coming thick and fast and that helped, but there was an increasing sense from those close to Villas-Boas that, come what may, this would be his last season at Spurs. In the end he did not make it to the midway point of the campaign.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10521678/Tottenham-chairman-Daniel-Levy-and-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-had-become-distant.html

AVB    kinda sad to see him sacked, maybe Portugal is his level no shame in that, maybe even the championship, go to a lesser team and try to get his career together, before another crack at the big time.

Dont be sad for AVB, he is still collecting Chelsea money and now Spurs and soon another team. He is rich B$$$h.   

Remember when everyone was heaping praise on Levy and AVB for being such shrewd businessmen?

Lex wrote:Remember when everyone was heaping praise on Levy and AVB for being such shrewd businessmen?

best team in london

CL qualification locked down

Lex wrote:Remember when everyone was heaping praise on Levy and AVB for being such shrewd businessmen?

Levy is a charlatan. Utterly shit at his job, and costs his team time and time again and never gets any blame when they inevitably fail. Protected by his mates at media. He's worse than Harry Redknapp.

Natalie Portman wrote:

Lex wrote:Remember when everyone was heaping praise on Levy and AVB for being such shrewd businessmen?

Levy is a charlatan. Utterly shit at his job, and costs his team time and time again and never gets any blame when they inevitably fail. Protected by his mates at media. He's worse than Harry Redknapp.

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How many times is that *bleep* going to leave his transfers up until the final minute? He does it everytime and it costs Spurs every single year.

It's still too early to put this campaign as a failure. There is a long way to go.

Let's not forget that all of the signings made were young and many have a lot of potential. Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli, Chiriches...even Paulinho are pretty young yet. Danny Rose brought back as well, Holtby was bought in January and is young yet.

If they don't bear fruit right now, Spurs are a look-out for the future yet. It's all about finding a suitable manager now.

Shame to see Levy and AVB didn't get along. I thought they had a great relationship, given the hiring of Baldini and support given in the market.

Also, that 500,000 euros by Levy for Moutinho. What a f*cking idiot. 500,000 for a player like Moutinho who would have done great in replacing Modric. He easily could have made up for the point difference last year.

Shed wrote:

vanDEEZ wrote:just realized hes never managed a team longer than a year.. i thought he was at porto longer

And likely never will. The only question now is whether he's decided he's conned his way into enough top jobs and enough big fat pay-off cheques and will retire from football management young as he's always said was his intention, or if he'll take a crack at replicating his failure elsewhere.

he can con his way into coaching  some chinese or arab team with more money than common sense .

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I'm actually happy they sacked him. Spurs are "worse off" without him.

AVB is no fraud, he just simply needs to settle down and take a break. He needs to go to a team that understands patience, rather than demanding CL when there team is pretty much a "top mid-table" side. Look at Klopp for example. (Now I'm not comparing AVB to Klopp, I'm just saying AVB is yet to find the "perfect" job for him.)

Gil wrote:How many times is that *bleep* going to leave his transfers up until the final minute? He does it everytime and it costs Spurs every single year.

Levy and Baldini did everything, transfers weren't on AVB.

Watch them get Capello after the World Cup. (Can't see Capello leaving in a WC year.)

Hearing far too much hyperbole on AVB as the segments discrediting his work at Porto as quite far off the mark. His arrival in 2010 radically changed the team-up in the tactical form which had them go on one of the greatest seasons a team has had in Portuguese history. Yes he had Falcao yet made him far more effective in his link-up play. Hulk was a mere prospect until he refined his role onto the left with unlimited freedom while Moutinho became far more vertical and supplied to be one of the best CMs in the world that year. His team was absolutely brilliant.

At Chelsea was a mere culture shock of imbalance, an ageing squad and not being given the support format he received within Porto.

Sadly, Spurs was a direct reaction of his failure on his first stint within the English Premier League. His words, actions and mannerisms all dictated it was a knee-jerk reaction to satiate his disappointment in his Chelsea sacking.

Problem is, instead of undertaking a break to re-think his systema and tactics he went head on into the single most rapidly changing club in the EPL. Villas Boas not even being 35 at the time; his inexperience brought him little vision in how to extrapolate on such resource and change, given he is masterful in producing results with less resources-hence "the need for evolution over revolution".

His youth while bringing exuberant ideas and energy to his work is his single greatest enemy. Villas Boas is not one who is adept in managing his stress levels in any spectrum. An interview in Chelsea dictated that in his intention to retire in 10 years; due to the incurred stress that has been inflicted upon him. His eccentric touchline mannerisms are just testament to his relentless expelling of his emotion. He possesses so much anxiety, which translates onto his complete lack of reaction within the match; for instance of that particular high line is suicidal during a tactical offset.

Villas Boas needed to progress into a slow careful evolution of himself as a manager rather than jumping into lucrative projects which are out of his depth-given his youth-as his reactionary choices did not help.

I maintain he is one of the most talented managers today; who needs a mentor (after the death of Bobby Robson) as Mourinho is not that man. He needs to retreat into a smaller project within the Italian Serie A; to which will embrace his tactical ideas; or right back into the warmer fortress of Porto, who quite frankly could use him at the moment.

Settle down, Andre. Take a year long sabbatical, redevelop your ideas and actually plan your future.

Call me stupid but I can't fault the signings themselves. Those were/are all class players. If that team is playing like shit on a stick blame must lie with the charlatan avb.

Convince the Glazers to stay loyal to you please.

Moyes

He needs to stop staying stuff like this, ffs you are the manager of perhaps the most popular club in the world. Act like one!

Arquitescu wrote:Hearing far too much hyperbole on AVB as the segments discrediting his work at Porto as quite far off the mark. His arrival in 2010 radically changed the team-up in the tactical form which had them go on one of the greatest seasons a team has had in Portuguese history. Yes he had Falcao yet made him far more effective in his link-up play. Hulk was a mere prospect until he refined his role onto the left with unlimited freedom while Moutinho became far more vertical and supplied to be one of the best CMs in the world that year. His team was absolutely brilliant.

I will only talk about Porto, because frankly that's the only team he has coached I cared about how he did. As I said at the time, shame on him for moving after just one season. He could of moved anywhere, any time with the rep he built at Porto and staying for another season would of been better for his development as a coach. He would of encountered many new problems and had to adapt. Instead, he skipped that and went frankly, for the glamour job instead of the best move for his career.

But anyway, spot on with your comments Arq. Regardless of anyone's opinion of him now, to discredit his job at Porto makes no sense.

Before AVB Hulk was merely a fancy player who provided little in the way of end product. With AVB's help, he improved dramatically in his productivity, be it his ability to score goals or pick out a final ball.

For years Guarin and Porto coaches were lamented because nobody could get anything out of his talent. It could be argued that Guarin's only truly productive season to date was because of AVB. Because since and prior to AVB, he has been awful.

I also find it funny how people ramble on about how he had "a 100m frontline of James, Hulk and Falcao". Ignoring James was saddled to the bench because Varela was actually the one who started most of (including the important) games.

He's been approached by AC Milan according to the Times.

Red Alert wrote:He's been approached by AC Milan according to the Times.

playing that high line in SERIE A

Pressing and a high line in Serie A

Next joke please.

I don't think Milan can afford AVB with our current debts, and even if we did, we surely can't afford the players AVB will surely want. I don't think AVB can do anything good with our current squad.

Also, this reeks of a classical Inter coaching move more so than a Milan one. If AVB had any affiliations with Milan before I might believe something to come out of this, but he does not

Galliani likes to have ex Inter, this would be the only plausible explanation ( he has worked for Inter in 2008-2009, first year of Mourinho) .. However I don't believe it

Anyway I haven't understood  who will take  as coach after AVB ?  ...  in england what do they say about it ?

I actually think he'll be great for AC if he does drop his defence line a tad deeper.

He'll get the best out of El Shaa, Ballotelli and Honda I think. And Niang in the future if he stays after the initial 6 months. The only problem is, that they'll be more lack of a relationship between him and the board as AVB will want total control and he won't get it there.