Re: Did it make sense for Real Madrid to sell Ozil?

by alexander mahone Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:11 pm

Benzema got that 20 assists out of about 40 chances he created.
Ozil got the same number out of about 90 chances he created.

by sportsczy Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:15 pm

Wonder what realmadrid.com use. I always thought it was Opta... but since they show 20 and Opta is at 19, it's either a typo or they use something else.

by 7amood11 Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:19 pm

Crimson wrote:
7amood11 wrote:Compare:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/karim-benzema/leistungsdaten/spieler_18922_2012.html

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/mesut-oezil/leistungsdaten/spieler_35664_2012.html

ESPN also said that Ozil had more assists (15 - 20).
transfermarket is terrible for stats and ESPN does not include stats from the CdR or the Cup

Nice try though

How is transfermarkt terrible for stats? And even if ESPN doesn't include Cup stats Ozil would still probably be higher than Benzema.

by Blue Barrett Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:20 pm

flameas wrote:Well, is he that good as Arsenal fans now say? Di Maria is better on the wing and ISco is a better AM. Also Modric can be AM.

So I would say it did make sense. Especially with that price. Prices are ridiculous atm. Ozil for three times more than Strootman cost - no way he three times better. Maybe not the best comparison, but you get the picture. The obsession with AMs is just plain stupid.

What has me in shock right now is that there's actually someone in the world who believes these things you just wrote Laughing

My God...

by Crimson Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:26 pm

sportsczy wrote:Wonder what realmadrid.com use. I always thought it was Opta... but since they show 20 and Opta is at 19, it's either a typo or they use something else.

They used to Opta now they do theirs internally.

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:28 pm

I think it made sense for Oezil. In a world cup year where the competition is high in the German NT (Kroos, Muller, Goetze) he really cannot afford to spend a year heavily rotated with Isco, Bale and Di Maria. Given that Carlo prefers hard workers and Oezil is not exactly known for his defensive shifts it makes perfect sense for Mesut to want out to both remain in top form and ensure he doesn't lose his NT place.

by S Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:29 pm

Considering they have a ready high quality replacement in Isco,yes.

by Toffer Harley Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:36 pm

7amood11 wrote:
Crimson wrote:
7amood11 wrote:Compare:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/karim-benzema/leistungsdaten/spieler_18922_2012.html

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/mesut-oezil/leistungsdaten/spieler_35664_2012.html

ESPN also said that Ozil had more assists (15 - 20).
transfermarket is terrible for stats and ESPN does not include stats from the CdR or the Cup

Nice try though
How is transfermarkt terrible for stats? And even if ESPN doesn't include Cup stats Ozil would still probably be higher than Benzema.

no they aren't.

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:38 pm

7amood11 wrote:How is transfermarkt terrible for stats? And even if ESPN doesn't include Cup stats Ozil would still probably be higher than Benzema.

Because they include more than a direct pass as an assist. Hence why Mata's stats are so completely overblown and why their assist stats are not trustworthy.

by sportsczy Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:38 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
7amood11 wrote:How is transfermarkt terrible for stats? And even if ESPN doesn't include Cup stats Ozil would still probably be higher than Benzema.
Because they include more than a direct pass as an assist. Hence why Mata's stats are so completely overblown and why their assist stats are not trustworthy.

If you get fouled for a pk, it's an assist too... it's just a very unique method.

by Crimson Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:42 pm

sportsczy wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
7amood11 wrote:How is transfermarkt terrible for stats? And even if ESPN doesn't include Cup stats Ozil would still probably be higher than Benzema.
Because they include more than a direct pass as an assist. Hence why Mata's stats are so completely overblown and why their assist stats are not trustworthy.
If you get fouled for a pk, it's an assist too... it's just a very unique method.

I have another word for it haha

by Toffer Harley Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:54 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
7amood11 wrote:How is transfermarkt terrible for stats? And even if ESPN doesn't include Cup stats Ozil would still probably be higher than Benzema.
Because they include more than a direct pass as an assist. Hence why Mata's stats are so completely overblown and why their assist stats are not trustworthy.

what do you mean by that? that transfermarkt gives out assists for people who have been involved before the "actual" assist-giver?

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:10 pm

Toffer Harley wrote:what do you mean by that? that transfermarkt gives out assists for people who have been involved before the "actual" assist-giver?

As mentioned above if a player gets fouled in the box and another takes the pen that counts as an assist. They also include rebounds from the keeper/post/deflections from other players, free kicks won and corner kick assists, which are not normally considered assists.

by Firenze Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:12 pm

Ramos & Arbeloa already coming out to say it's a huge blow to the team and shouldn't have been sold.

by halamadrid2 Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:25 pm

Ramos: if it was up to me Ozil would be the last to leave Proud

Ronaldo ;vagi;

by Toffer Harley Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:37 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Toffer Harley wrote:what do you mean by that? that transfermarkt gives out assists for people who have been involved before the "actual" assist-giver?
As mentioned above if a player gets fouled in the box and another takes the pen that counts as an assist. They also include rebounds from the keeper/post/deflections from other players, free kicks won and corner kick assists, which are not normally considered assists.

deflections are a wide subject, depending on decisiveness. free kicks won (with a later goal) don't count and i dunno what's wrong with counting a nice corner cross - it's an assist. either way, as long as there is no cross-referencing with other databases it gives a perfectly fine overview of a player's productivity.

and on a sidenote.. i don't think non-german speakers are able to figure out transfermarkt, eventho they have somewhat of an english translation.

by Onyx Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:40 pm

Ozil:

"At the weekend, I was certain that I would stay at Real Madrid, but afterwards I realised that I did not have the faith from the coach or the bosses.

"I am a player who needs this faith and that is what I have felt from Arsenal, which is why I have joined.

"I am really looking forward to it because I have the faith of the coach. I had spoken to him at length on the telephone, he explained his plans and that he has faith in me - that is what I need as a player.

"I am looking forward to the new challenge there. I have already heard that they have super fans, the city is great and the team is fantastic."

Ozil also believes Arsene Wenger can take his game to another level and is relishing playing in the Premier League.

"Wenger gives me the faith and I can develop further," he added. "I know what I can do and I know that I could make the grade with any club in the world because I am so convinced in myself, but if I don't feel people have faith in me, then that is why I had to leave and at Arsenal, I feel I have this fully.

"I am sure the new coach is going to develop me further and I am also really looking forward to playing in the Premier League."

by sportsczy Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:47 pm

Ozil's really a girly man... imagine if Higuain, Benzema, Di Maria or Marcelo had his attitude. They would have gone crying to mommy years ago. Instead they fought tooth and nail. If you fight and don't win for whatever reason, fair enough. But Ozil ran from competition... sprinted actually.

Weak-minded player it looks like. Very disappointing.

by Gil Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:49 pm

Lets be honest, Isco is well on his way to being better than Ozil.

Ozil is far more creative and has better acceleration but Isco destroys him in everything else as well as being the better defensive player and harder worker.

Bale is Di Maria's replacement so I have no idea why people are comparing him and Ozil to be honest. Bale out wide >>>>> Ozil.

by inter1lachen Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:52 pm

Forza wrote:Ozil was the best player to change clubs in this transfer window.

Please.

by Toffer Harley Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:55 pm

sportsczy wrote:Ozil's really a girly man... imagine if Higuain, Benzema, Di Maria or Marcelo had his attitude. They would have gone crying to mommy years ago. Instead they fought tooth and nail. If you fight and don't win for whatever reason, fair enough. But Ozil ran from competition... sprinted actually.

Weak-minded player it looks like. Very disappointing.

quite the opposite. he realized he has absolutely no lobby in madrid and doesn't wanna act in some crappy soap opera where inferior players get the lead roles. on top of that, real never showed appreciation for what he's done by giving him an adequate contract. a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. anybody who lets that fat clown perez ruin your world cup is simply an idiot.

by Onyx Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:57 pm

Ozil only decided to leave during the last couple of days. He was a starter.

Isco was Di Maria's replacement.

Bale was just being signed for no reason.

by Mr Nick09 Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:57 pm

Gil wrote:Lets be honest, Isco is well on his way to being better than Ozil.

Ozil is far more creative and has better acceleration but Isco destroys him in everything else as well as being the better defensive player and harder worker.

Bale is Di Maria's replacement so I have no idea why people are comparing him and Ozil to be honest. Bale out wide >>>>> Ozil.

Gil is the truth.

by Crimson Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:57 pm

So that's it then

Ozil is a mental midget just like Mourniho confirmed.

Well best of luck Arsenal will suit you then lmao

by guest7 Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:01 pm

It was his decision, and Isco is already better.

It made very much sense, honestly don't care. The team is much better now that everyone is tracking back. It was our greatest weakness in big games that our frontline wasn't tracking back.

by sportsczy Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:07 pm

Toffer Harley wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Ozil's really a girly man... imagine if Higuain, Benzema, Di Maria or Marcelo had his attitude. They would have gone crying to mommy years ago. Instead they fought tooth and nail. If you fight and don't win for whatever reason, fair enough. But Ozil ran from competition... sprinted actually.

Weak-minded player it looks like. Very disappointing.
quite the opposite. he realized he has absolutely no lobby in madrid and doesn't wanna act in some crappy soap opera where inferior players get the lead roles. on top of that, real never showed appreciation for what he's done by giving him an adequate contract. a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. anybody who lets that fat clown perez ruin your world cup is simply an idiot.

Yeah. He makes 6 mil a year. Horrible contract. Madrid were offering to bump him up to 8 mil, which would put him only behind CR7, Iker and the incoming Bale. Instead, he was asking for 15 mil gross, which is more than CR7 Laughing

Truly unbelievable given how inconsistent he's been in the last 2 years...

And then, he comes out with this soft dribble...

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