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Post by Thimmy Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:57 pm

Change the thread title to «The Missya».

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Post by danyjr Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:18 pm

SE QUEDA :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Post by alexjanosik Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:41 pm

After all of that, he stays. Incredibly stupid from Barto to make him stay.
Was expecting a clearout similar to 2008. With all of the seniors including Messi being shown the door. Instead, lot might end up staying.
Expect the same old one dimensional, boring on the backfoot, defending for our lives 90 mins football next season.

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Post by neuro11 Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:09 am

Glad that he is staying... leaving like this would be bad for his profile. Also, Good to see him clarifying a lot of things. All his explanations made sense.

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Post by Kebab Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:31 am

I think Messi did what some of you wanted him to do. He also wanted to leave and give young players a chance. He admitted that its difficult for him in trainings and on the pitch. He thought it was time to go before losing love of the fans. He said it all in his interview. But the club and la liga didnt let him go. Its not just about football, it was a political decision. So blaming Messi after all of this is not the right thing to do

Also he is not some of the best players in the club history. He is the club's and la liga's greatest player ever. Comparing his situation to Ronaldinho's exit is wrong.
Plus Dinho was on top for 3 years and while he was on top Messi already outshined him. So making Messi the main man was not something special.any coach or any president would do it. It was an easy decision.
But atm there is no player to replace messi. So its a though situation and situation like this never happened. Milan selling Maldini or Roma selling Totti is close but this man is not just a club legend, he was world's best for 12 years and broke every record in this team. Its like Santos selling Pele.
Ronaldinho's exit doesnt even come close
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:18 pm

@alexjanosik wrote:After all of that, he stays. Incredibly stupid from Barto to make him stay.
Was expecting a clearout similar to 2008. With all of the seniors including Messi being shown the door. Instead, lot might end up staying.
Expect the same old one dimensional, boring on the backfoot, defending for our lives 90 mins football next season.

This was always going to be the case with Koeman, from what all his past clubs' fans say

And yeah Bart should've let him go, but it was political for him. Forcing him to stay is a political 'win' for him, even if he has little chance for re-election.
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Post by alexjanosik Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:22 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:After all of that, he stays. Incredibly stupid from Barto to make him stay.
Was expecting a clearout similar to 2008. With all of the seniors including Messi being shown the door. Instead, lot might end up staying.
Expect the same old one dimensional, boring on the backfoot, defending for our lives 90 mins football next season.

This was always going to be the case with Koeman, from what all his past clubs' fans say

And yeah Bart should've let him go, but it was political for him. Forcing him to stay is a political 'win' for him, even if he has little chance for re-election.


He is a defensive coach but one got the feeling that he was brought in to be the hatchet man and get rid of the seniors. Instead, all of them look like staying.

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Post by Myesyats Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:12 am

Not only will we not get rid of several seniors (Busi, Pique, Alba), but we also managed to sign one in Pjanic (30) and are on the verge of signing another in Wijnaldum, also 30 years old. At least Busi will be permanently benched, I guess...

At least we got rid of Rakitic. Vidal and Suarez are the least of our problems, though they're also one foot out the door.

No replacement in sight for Pique and Alba. Except Gaya maybe, I've seen one rumor.
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Post by neuro11 Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:09 pm

I saw some transfer rumor about umtiti too. selling him would be stupid without adding new players

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Post by BarcaLearning Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:00 pm

Im really concerned about our midfield. We would NEED to get Wijnaldum, and even then we would just have like 6 to play with the season? That includes Roberto and Puig and Busquets. Top 4 level lol. If we dont get Wijnaldum, we might lose out even that, unless MEssi has another great year...
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:51 pm

Setien on Messi Proud

Spoiler:
D. B. Has entrenado al Barcelona que, además, tiene a Messi. Y vas el primer día y dices que para ti era un orgullo entrenar al mejor jugador del mundo...

Q. S. Es que creo que Messi es el mejor de todos los tiempos. Ha habido otros grandísimos jugadores que han sido buenísimos, pero la continuidad que ha tenido este muchacho a lo largo de los años no la ha tenido nadie. Si acaso, Pelé... Le dije un día que llevaba 15 años esperando que llegara el partido del Barça para verle.
Setién: “Leo es difícil de gestionar. ¡Quién soy yo para cambiarle! Si le han aceptado durante años como es y no le han cambiado…”

D. B. ¿Hablabas mucho con Messi? ¿Las miradas?

Q. S. Hay otra faceta que no es la de jugador y es más complicada de gestionar. Mucho más. Algo inherente a muchos deportistas como se ve en el documental de Michael Jordan [The Last Dance]. Ves cosas que no te esperas.

D. B. Un técnico amigo que dirigió al Atlético me habló de un caso con un jugador: ‘O él o yo’. Le dije que le echarían a él. Normalmente, el jugador está más defendido que el entrenador.

Q. S. Es muy reservado, pero te hace ver las cosas que él quiere. No habla mucho. Sí, mirar, mira… Después de marcharme lo que sí tengo claro es que en determinados momentos tenía que haber tomado otras decisiones, pero hay algo que está por encima de ti: el club. Y está por encima del presidente, del jugador, del entrenador. Es el club y los aficionados. Son a los que debes el mayor respeto y tienes que hacer lo más conveniente para la entidad. Hay millones de personas que piensan que Messi, o cualquier otro jugador, es más importante que el club y que el entrenador. Este jugador, como otros a su alrededor, han vivido durante 14 años ganando títulos, ganándolo todo.

D. B. O sea que la frase que el Tata Martino le dijo a Messi —"ya sé que si llamas al presidente me puedes echar en cualquier momento, pero no me lo demuestres todos los días"—, encaja perfectamente. ¿Te quedaste con ganas de decírselo?

Q. S. Sí, he escuchado esa frase y otras. No me hace falta que nadie me diga lo que dijo Martino u otro. Lo he vivido. He tenido experiencias suficientes para hacer una valoración exacta de cómo son realmente este muchacho y los demás.
Messi y Setién.

Del Bosque: “Lo más importante es la generosidad. Y si llega por parte de los más grandes, tendremos mucho ganado”

D. B. Lo que te honra es que hables como hablas de él, y que digas que es el mejor jugador de todos los tiempos. Lo más importante en los deportes colectivos, en contraste con los deportes individuales, es que debe haber una generosidad. Y si la generosidad viene de los más grandes tendremos mucho ganado. Si por ejemplo un día decides quitar a Messi media hora porque está el partido sentenciado y das cariño a otro jugador esa es la generosidad que debe existir en un equipo. Quien no la tenga...
https://elpais.com/deportes/2020-10-31/quique-setien-en-el-barca-no-fui-yo-no-pude-o-no-supe.html

Del Bosque: You have trained Barcelona, who also have Messi. And you go to your first day and say that for it is a mark of pride to train the world's best player...

Quique Setien: It's because I think Messi is the best player of all times. There have been other great players that have been incredibly good, but no one else has the consistency that this lad has shown over the years. Perhaps Pele... I told him one day that I've been waiting 15 years to play against Barca to watch him.

Leo is difficult to manage. Who am I to change him? They've accepted him as he is for years and no one has changed him.

DB: Did you speak much with Messi? What about the looks?

QS: There's another aspect of him that's not the player and it's more complicated to manage. Much more. Something inherent in a lot of sports players like you see in the Michael Jordan documentary The Last Dance. You see things that you do not expect.

DB: A manager friend of mine that coached Atletico told me about a case with a player where it was "him or me". I told him that he would get fired. Typically, the player is more settled than the coach.

QS: He keeps to himself, but he makes you see the things he wants you to see. He doesn't speak much. He does pay attention... After leaving I realized that at certain points I should have made different decisions, but there's one thing that is above you: the club. And it's above the president, the player, the coach. It's the clubs and the fans. And you owe them the most respect and have to do the most convenient thing for the entity. There's millions of people that think that Messi, or any other player, is more important than the club or the coach. This player, like many others in the team, have lived 14 years winning it all.

DB: So the Tata Martino quote the he told Mesi - "I know that if you call the president you can get me fired at any moment, but you don't remind me every day" - fits perfectly. Do you regret not telling him something like that?

QS: Yes, I've heard that phrase and others. I don't need anyone to tell me what Martino or others said. I've lived it. I've had enough experiences to know exactly what the character of Messi and his teammates are.

DB: "It speaks well of you how you speak of him, and that you still call him the best of all times. The most important thing in team sports, rather than other sports, is that there must be generosity. And if the greatest ones are the most generous we will will the most. If, for example, one day you decide to take Messi off at the half because the match is finished and give another player some appreciation, that's the generosity that must exist within the team. If one doesn't have it... "



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