Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate

by M99 Wed 18 Jun 2014 - 10:02

Euron Greyjoy is going to be a huge player and one of Dany's main enemies.

According to Moqorro, he sees many threats to Daenerys in the flames. He can only see their shadows and claims the one that casts the most danger is:

“A tall and twisted thing with one black eye and ten long arms, sailing on a sea of blood"

This is clearly Euron. And also there is something else that I completely missed at first.

Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.

While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".

He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.

So Euron was most likely trained by the Qartheen warlocks who want to take revenge on Dany for burning the House Of The Undying. I would not be too surprised if he does turn out to be Daario.

by dostoevsky Wed 18 Jun 2014 - 10:06

There aren't many plot twists that could anger me as far as the story telling goes but Daario being Euron would be one of them. Laughing

by dostoevsky Wed 18 Jun 2014 - 15:09

[BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate - Page 26 10359557_683371828407544_4865813784466670624_n

Can't breathe. rofl

by RealGunner Thu 19 Jun 2014 - 1:33

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/18/david-benioff-dan-weiss-heading-dorne-season-5-strongest-season-yet/#comment-417311

If it's 3 more seasons only then expect major cuts. I don't think they will include Quentyn Martell for example.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu 19 Jun 2014 - 20:51

I don't think we'll see major character cuts but just travelling time significantly decreased. No more Brienne and Pod searching for the Hound at the river lands. No spending time with Tyrion playing chess and marveling at giant turtles. Etc.

by M99 Thu 19 Jun 2014 - 21:47

I read somewhere that the creators said no POV characters will be cut. In the leaked casting call Areo "The Camera" Hotah was included so if he's there, I guess it's safe to say everyone is (POV).

by RealGunner Thu 19 Jun 2014 - 23:38

Tyrion's journey was absolutely magnificent. I would be gutted if they take off anything.

Also brienne's meeting with Septon Meribald was one of my favourite part. Specially his speech which was one of the best pieces of pure literature GRRM as ever written

pls dont omit

by M99 Thu 19 Jun 2014 - 23:41

I recently found out that a theory that I myself came up with is widely accepted by the ASOIAF fandom. And that theory is that Jeor Mormont's raven is controlled/warged by Bloodraven. I suspected this in my first AGOT re read when the raven screams "Burn" when Jon is fighting the wight despite no one in the room saying burn. It's clearly not a normal raven. Then it also manipulated the Nights Watch to make Jon Lord Commander too.

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1lqjyu/spoilers_all_examining_bloodraven_part_5_corn/

by RealGunner Thu 19 Jun 2014 - 23:51

I said that about 20 pages ago. M99 pls

Adding to that, When Joer's raven first saw jon. He kept on saying "king, king". Which was the first time he ever did iirc.

by M99 Fri 20 Jun 2014 - 0:30

He rose and dressed in darkness, as Mormont’s raven muttered across the room. “Corn,” the bird said, and, “King,” and, “Snow, Jon Snow, Jon Snow.” That was queer. The bird had never said his full name before, as best Jon could recall.

Bloodraven probably knows about Jon being Rhaegar's son and rightful king of Westeros. If Rhaegar and Lyanna got married in front of a heart tree per Northern customs maybe Bran will also see it through weirwood.net.

by M99 Fri 20 Jun 2014 - 9:38

Sean Bean said in an interview that Ned is not Jon's father.

http://www.hypable.com/2011/06/21/sean-bean-wants-game-of-thrones-to-bring-him-back-teases-jon-snow-mother-mystery/

That’s another twist [to come]. It’s a great conundrum. Ned really knows who [Jon’s parents are], but he can’t let on. That’s why it’s such a moving moment, those poignant scenes I have with Kit Harington [who plays Jon], because I couldn’t say what I really thought. There are so many things I could have said, because there is a love there between the two of them, but I can’t express it as overtly as I can with the other children, who I can hold and kiss. Even if I were his true father, I can’t talk about it for fear of offending my wife, who’s really bitter about this. So it’s really a cruel situation. Through no fault of his own, Ned took on a lot by taking Jon in.

by Dante Fri 20 Jun 2014 - 21:38

Rhaegar and Lyanna Proud

Sean Bean confirmation Proud

Also nice job M99 with Jeor's raven . It always had me curious in the past . I agree , you always got this notion that this raven was special. Though i've read it before , nice to know you were behind this (if i understood correctly)

But it has me in thoughts , as to what King Jon is meant to become , if that's what is going to happen .

by BarrileteCosmico Fri 20 Jun 2014 - 22:10

M99 wrote:Sean Bean said in an interview that Ned is not Jon's father.

http://www.hypable.com/2011/06/21/sean-bean-wants-game-of-thrones-to-bring-him-back-teases-jon-snow-mother-mystery/

That’s another twist [to come]. It’s a great conundrum. Ned really knows who [Jon’s parents are], but he can’t let on. That’s why it’s such a moving moment, those poignant scenes I have with Kit Harington [who plays Jon], because I couldn’t say what I really thought. There are so many things I could have said, because there is a love there between the two of them, but I can’t express it as overtly as I can with the other children, who I can hold and kiss. Even if I were his true father, I can’t talk about it for fear of offending my wife, who’s really bitter about this. So it’s really a cruel situation. Through no fault of his own, Ned took on a lot by taking Jon in.

R+L=J is pretty much fact.

The only questions are how consentual it was, what Lyanna's promise request was, and how it will be revealed.

by RealGunner Fri 20 Jun 2014 - 23:10

The show has been very quiet on warging. They only show Bran as a warg and it's shocking at the amount of TV Show watchers who doesn't know that rest of the Stark kids are all wargs.

I don't think they have ever showed Arya warging into Nymeria or Jon into Snow?

Maybe it's a budget thing.

by RealGunner Fri 20 Jun 2014 - 23:17

Lol just come across this

The black tom cat that Arya Stark chases in the red keep is believed to be Balerion, the cat owned by Rhaenys Targaryen.

Which *could* make Ser Pounce one of Balerion's children as they are similar in appearance.

I still maintain that Arya will warg into the cat to kill Tommen.

by BarrileteCosmico Sat 21 Jun 2014 - 0:00

RealGunner wrote:The show has been very quiet on warging. They only show Bran as a warg and it's shocking at the amount of TV Show watchers who doesn't know that rest of the Stark kids are all wargs.

I don't think they have ever showed Arya warging into Nymeria or Jon into Snow?

Maybe it's a budget thing.

In fairness the stark kids don't know it themselves, they just know they have wolf dreams and a close relationship with them.

Also Bran's warging seems to be naturally more powerful, not just because he trained it.

by BeautifulGame Sun 22 Jun 2014 - 18:00

I only watched only the GOT series. Will i be able to understand the fourth book without reading the first 3 ?

Or do i have to read the first 3 before starting the Feast with Crows?

by zigra Sun 22 Jun 2014 - 19:02

Too many changes, too many additional characters and stuff. You can't skip the 3rd book and you shouldn't skip the 2nd book. Imo the only book you can skip is the first book but to be honest if you don't enjoy reading all the books - why do you want to read the last two books? If you just want to know what happens I guess you can look that up a lot faster.

by RealGunner Sun 22 Jun 2014 - 20:21

Yea what Zigra said.

by BarrileteCosmico Sun 22 Jun 2014 - 20:26

BeautifulGame wrote:I only watched only the GOT series. Will i be able to understand the fourth book without reading the first 3 ?

Or do i have to read the first 3 before starting the Feast with Crows?

There's too many changes. You could potentially start at the third book only, but I'd recommend you read from the beginning.

by Andrew Mon 23 Jun 2014 - 8:58

I was so excited and amazed when I found these videos that my first thought was to share them with you guys. I don't know if these videos have been posted before and if they have I apologise in advance.

So to the point. I've found these EPIC, EPIC videos that are the animated shorts for each season of Game of Thrones. In other words, each season is presented in an over an hour animated video. The clips include A LOT of details that have been cut out of the show and the best part of it is that the ACTUAL actors of the show narrate the story. So you get to hear the events from the point of view of Stark's, Lannister's, Baratheon's, Targaryen's and so on.

Skip it to the point where the intro guy shuts up.

Have fun Smile

by M99 Mon 23 Jun 2014 - 19:07

RealGunner wrote:Lol just come across this

The black tom cat that Arya Stark chases in the red keep is believed to be Balerion, the cat owned by Rhaenys Targaryen.

Which *could* make Ser Pounce one of Balerion's children as they are similar in appearance.

I still maintain that Arya will warg into the cat to kill Tommen.

This is what Martin said when he was asked whether the cat Arya chased was Balerion.

Could be.

From A Game Of Thrones, what a gold cloak tell Arya.

That's the real king of this castle right there … Older than sin and twice as mean. One time, the king was feasting the queen's father, and that black bastard hopped up on the table and snatched a roast quail right out of Lord Tywin's fingers. Robert laughed so hard he like to burst. You stay away from that one, child.

From ASOIAF Wiki.

Balerion is a black cat with a torn ear. As a kitten, he was owned by Rhaenys Targaryen, who liked to pretend he was the dragon Balerion. After her death, the whereabouts of the cat are unknown,[1] though many readers believe he is the vicious one-eared black tom Arya Stark chases in A Game of Thrones, who pesters Tommen Baratheon and his kittens in A Dance with Dragons, and who has been known to attack ravens in the rookery of the Red Keep.[2]

I'm pretty sure it is Balerion but he can't be Ser Pounce's father considering he terrorises him and the other kittens. He seems to dislike Lannisters too which is understandable hmm

So people have a theory that he is warged by Bloodraven to keep an eye on King's Landing lol.

by BarrileteCosmico Wed 25 Jun 2014 - 5:13

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/28zbhg/spoilers_all_waking_dragons_out_of_stone/

Melisandre will burn Shireen so that her death can pay for Jon's life. With a sacrifice of king's blood, she will wake a dragon (Jon Targaryen) from stone (Greyscale-ridden Shireen).

This is a very interesting theory. Very well documented too.

by Andrew Wed 25 Jun 2014 - 18:31

None bothered watching the clips I posted Laughing

by RealGunner Wed 25 Jun 2014 - 18:55

They are 3 hours long lol. Plus I don't think they have anything new which I already don't know about.

Regarding history, waiting for the A world of Ice and fire.

by RealGunner Wed 25 Jun 2014 - 18:57

BarrileteCosmico wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/28zbhg/spoilers_all_waking_dragons_out_of_stone/

Melisandre will burn Shireen so that her death can pay for Jon's life. With a sacrifice of king's blood, she will wake a dragon (Jon Targaryen) from stone (Greyscale-ridden Shireen).

This is a very interesting theory. Very well documented too.

Yea that's the general consensus of what will happen. Read that few months ago. It's interesting though because Melisandre will have to do this in secret. Plus there will be a war going on between the Pro Jon and Anti Jon. Anti Jon are a massive force.

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