Re: [BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:57 pm

An absolute must read: http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1x7m99/spoilers_all_tormunds_member_and_the_issue_of/

by M99 Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:01 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:An absolute must read: http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1x7m99/spoilers_all_tormunds_member_and_the_issue_of/

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/what+did+i+just+read+_4935e8caa52916f3d3d893e4b73a4fb0.gif

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:31 pm

So I found another theory that has great rammifications:

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1yljs8/spoilers_all_high_septon_tinfoil_theory/

Mind blown

by M99 Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:19 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:So I found another theory that has great rammifications:

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1yljs8/spoilers_all_high_septon_tinfoil_theory/

Mind blown

Howland Reed the High Septon Shocked

If it is true then GRRM :bow:

by RealGunner Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:35 am

Was reading some site and came across this Melisandre prophecy which she says to Arya in the TV Show but not the books. They have replaced the Ghost of the high heart with Melisandre but that prophecy seems to be something which we will come across in the next books.

"I see a darkness in you. And in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes... eyes you'll shut forever. We will meet again."

I see darkness in you means that Arya will become a faceless men.

But those eyes bit. Eyes you'll shut forever. I think That's Melisandre predicting the people Arya will kill.

Green Eyes could mean Cersei or Tommen? Blue eyes could mean Stannis?

Brown eyes could mean... Jon?

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:53 am

I think that just means she will kill a lot of people, not anyone in particular.

by M99 Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:28 am

The first episode titles of the fourth season of Game of Thrones have been revealed, via HBO Latino. Additionally, the network is listing a running time for each episode.

So without further ado, the titles are:

Season 4, Episode 1: Two Swords.
Running time: 58 minutes

Season 4, Episode 2: The Lion and the Rose.
Running time: 52 minutes

Season 4, Episode 3: Breaker of Chains.
Running time: 56 minutes

Season 4, Episode 4: Oathkeeper.
Running time: 54 minutes

by dostoevsky Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:29 am

Firstly, BC rofl

Finished ADWD yesterday, GRRM take a bow.

I've been avidly reading this thread and the theories people have linked since, and must say that I'm certainly in the R+L=J camp, along with thinking that Jon warged into Ghost at the end, though I'm unsure if he's truly 'dead' or not as a human. Also convinced that Sandor Clegane is still alive. Also whilst I'm not a real fan of Aegon, I do feel that he's a legitimate Targaryen.

A question for everyone though, what do you think the fate of Theon in TWOW will be? Based on the behaviour of the ravens in Jon's last chapter and the excerpt of the new book about Theon, it's clear to me that Bran is growing in power as the ravens have gone from merely mimicking the speech of those around them to pre-empting thoughts and stating full names and phrases. I feel that as a still young and never malicious child, Bran's reactive instinct to restore means that he wishes to forgive and save Theon and will demonstrate his power in front of Stannis at the weirwood trees.

P.S. Davos being Azor Ahai is a goat theory.

by M99 Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:46 am

dostoevsky wrote:
A question for everyone though, what do you think the fate of Theon in TWOW will be? Based on the behaviour of the ravens in Jon's last chapter and the excerpt of the new book about Theon, it's clear to me that Bran is growing in power as the ravens have gone from merely mimicking the speech of those around them to pre-empting thoughts and stating full names and phrases. I feel that as a still young and never malicious child, Bran's reactive instinct to restore means that he wishes to forgive and save Theon and will demonstrate his power in front of Stannis at the weirwood trees.

P.S. Davos being Azor Ahai is a goat theory.

I think we will see a big redemption arc for Theon before his inevitable death. He will help Bran and maybe work to sabotage the Boltons and the Freys. There is no way he getting his head cut off before he does something big.

On Davos being Azor Ahai, it is said that Azor Ahai was/will be reborn in fire and salt. Well in the Blackwater, Davos' ship catches fire in the sea (saltwater) and he returns while everyone thinks he is dead so Davos was reborn in salt and fire and is therefore Azor Ahai hmm

Melissandre when she finds this out rofl

probably won't happen

by dostoevsky Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:51 am

More like all of the Queen's Men when they find out and Davos burns them all as a massive sacrifice. rofl

by M99 Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:02 am

The Winds Of Winter opening paragraph.

Spoiler:

by Juveman17 Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:34 pm

Just read the red wedding :facepalm:

*bleep* WALDER FREY

by Motogp69 Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:39 pm

Poor Juveman Crying or Very sad

I would say it gets better, but I'd be lying :coffee:

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:46 am

I dont doubt that Laughing

by Juveman17 Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:41 am

Just finished the third book. Soooo much has changed.

by M99 Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:01 pm

I advise you to read the combined version of A Feast For Crows+A Dance With Dragons and of course start watching the excellent TV show. Here is the link to A Ball Of Beasts (AFFC+ADWD).

http://ballofbeasts.weebly.com/

by Juveman17 Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:55 pm

I already have the 5 book set so Ill be reading from those. Do you advise that I finish all of the books before watching the show? Or should i just start now?

by M99 Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:10 pm

You can start now. Season 3 ended on The Red Wedding and Season 4 will cover the second half of the third book and judging by the trailers, some early parts of book 4+5. My advice is to start watching the show now and finish it by April 6th so that you can start watching season 4 with us and discuss the show in the GOAT thread tongue

by Juveman17 Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:12 pm

Ill end up buying the 3 seasons so ill get them soon

by M99 Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:13 pm

And I know it's gonna be a pain switching books (I did it) but here is the chapter list of the combined version of Feast and Dance just in case you want to read it the proper way. Things move on a much better pace and gives you the more satisfying read.

Spoiler:

by Juveman17 Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:15 pm

I'll be sure to check it out

by M99 Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:38 pm

All episode titles of season 4 revealed.

Spoiler:

Ffs I cant wait :bow:

by RealGunner Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:26 pm

So the fight is at episode 8...

"The Children" might as well be the Tywin bit and lady Stone heart.

by dostoevsky Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:16 pm

http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html

A fascinating read. It takes a while to get your head around and I personally feel that some details are off, at least with Melisandre, though certain characters may unwittingly end up on a side rather than consciously. It's a refreshing break from discussions that centre the end game of the series around Dany. Even if it turns out not be true, it's at least a fascinating theory and one that identifies a stunning number of parallels.

One question it raises that I had completely missed at the time was the possiblity that Jojen had been killed. I've read the debate on the forums about his fate and I'm personally 50-50 on whether I think he's been sacrificed. Sacrifice and cannibalism are huge themes of the final books, and the imagery of the chapter is frankly terrifying, however a compelling argument has been made for the fact that Jojen should have been protected by the guest right. I don't think this in itself precludes the possibility that he is no longer of the living, however it will at least cast further light on the nature of the issue and whether the children consider themselves to set the rules of the 'old gods' or follow them. The position it would put Meera in further complicates the issue, however I do believe that when Jojen was said to want to go home but to not be fighting his fate that he would like to escape the death he has seen for himself in the North but will not allow himself that freedom, rather than the interpretation that he has to head back to the Marshes in order to die. I know a lot of people are upset at the very thought of him being a blood sacrifice and that he would have died off screen, however I think there would be no issue as far as GRRM is concerned in justifying it. He has never shied away from the concept that magic and power has a price, whilst it is more important that the integrity of Bran's POV is maintained than that Jojen gets a proper 'farewell.' As I said though, I'm undecided on the point, I'd love to hear all of your thoughts on the matter.

by M99 Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:03 pm

dostoevsky wrote:One question it raises that I had completely missed at the time was the possiblity that Jojen had been killed. I've read the debate on the forums about his fate and I'm personally 50-50 on whether I think he's been sacrificed. Sacrifice and cannibalism are huge themes of the final books, and the imagery of the chapter is frankly terrifying, however a compelling argument has been made for the fact that Jojen should have been protected by the guest right. I don't think this in itself precludes the possibility that he is no longer of the living, however it will at least cast further light on the nature of the issue and whether the children consider themselves to set the rules of the 'old gods' or follow them. The position it would put Meera in further complicates the issue, however I do believe that when Jojen was said to want to go home but to not be fighting his fate that he would like to escape the death he has seen for himself in the North but will not allow himself that freedom, rather than the interpretation that he has to head back to the Marshes in order to die. I know a lot of people are upset at the very thought of him being a blood sacrifice and that he would have died off screen, however I think there would be no issue as far as GRRM is concerned in justifying it. He has never shied away from the concept that magic and power has a price, whilst it is more important that the integrity of Bran's POV is maintained than that Jojen gets a proper 'farewell.' As I said though, I'm undecided on the point, I'd love to hear all of your thoughts on the matter.

I really don't believe that Bran ate Jojen (and maybe Meera) even though most people who read the Jojen Paste theory firmly believe it. I just don't think that GRRM would kill of a fairly important character (the Reed siblings have been Bran's constant companions since A Clash Of Kings) in one book and then actually reveal the death in the next one. If he indeed died, it would have been explicitly mentioned in A Dance With Dragons.

by RealGunner Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:37 pm

Am I the only one who didn't know that the singer at Winterfell is Mance Ryder and those girls helping Theon are the spearwives?

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