Re: Higuain announces he is leaving Madrid

by sportsczy Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:35 pm

Stats are overrated for CFs... sure. We should rate them on how sexy they look, not how well they produce Rolling Eyes

As far as France NT... he was dominant until exactly 12 months ago. Carried the NT after the WC in 2010 all the way until spring of 2012. What happened? He adapted his game so much to providing service and playing next to CR7 that he couldn't flip the switch and become the lead player during International breaks. Benz has become a 10/SS for all intents and purposes due to how he's used in Madrid. Besides, his midfield was Diarra, MVilla and Cabaye during the Euro Laughing

He was basically playing CM because there was no choice.

Stats are extremely telling for CFs. They are asked to produce the final goods, not the build up. Final good are either goals or assists.

by halamadrid2 Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:39 pm

why should a CF be asked to assist? ??? unless they are SS

DMzema is never in the box hence why he got the nickname. The guy should thank Perez/Zizoue by at least TRY to do his best and not fan around like an obese mothafocka

by RealGunner Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:40 pm

This thread has nothing to do with Benzema guys

Please leave it for Higuain

by sportsczy Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Higuain was the one who went to the fat farm with Marcelo during January because he looked like a beached whale, not Benzema.

by Mr Nick09 Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:42 pm

So how to you rate character and will with statistics? something benzema doesnt have? how do you rate the fact that he doesnt makes the movements that spread a defense apart? how do rate his ability to go toe to toe with opposing defenders and attack them whenever he can? how do you rate his general propensity at creating panic in others when he has the ball in the final third. stats only show efficiency, yet there are so many intangibles that they cant account. i watch all the games of benzema this season and his 20, 20 season looks really meh. if we compare him to Higuain alone, sure he contributes more to our game. but if we have to look outside and compare to others, we ought to be a lot more critical. he is kinda toothless for a 9 which he isnt anyway.

by Zealous Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:43 pm

I've honestly had enough of this debate. If you guys can't bring yourselves to stop beating this dead horse even after Higuain is leaving then I don't know what to say.

I will go on record though that we are selling the wrong striker.

by halamadrid2 Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:46 pm

Zealous wrote:
I will go on record though that we are selling the wrong striker.

/debate

by sportsczy Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:49 pm

for CFs, it's 80% stats. That's how it is. They are either the last or the next to last player of the ball when there's a goal. So goals and assists are massively telling. If you're a CM or winger, it becomes less so because you are responsible for flow.

To say stats aren't critically important for CFs is ridiculous.

In Madrid, the CF is not a CF. CR7 is the CF 70% of the time. Your role is to find production where you can find it... and that's helping the build up and providing for CR7. You're a SS or 10 with CR7 there. But you should also get a minimum number of goals just because you will get chances.

Benzema was tied for the team lead in assists with Ozil this year. Think about that for a second.

by Mr Nick09 Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:52 pm

does he want to play n9 or n10? because we signed him to play n9

by sportsczy Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:53 pm

Looking at the outside Nick, who has performed better without being the focal point of the attack and playing less than 3000 mins? Look at Rooney now that RVP is there... he's struggling to find a role. Cesc is supposed to set up Messi but he can't. Aguero? Tevez? Vucinic? Tell me, who has performed better in a secondary role.

Edit: We're the ones who are forcing our CFs out of the 9 hole Nick, not them. That's why Higuain has had enough.

by Le Samourai Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:57 pm

sportsczy wrote:Looking at the outside Nick, who has performed better without being the focal point of the attack and playing less than 3000 mins? Look at Rooney now that RVP is there... he's struggling to find a role. Cesc is supposed to set up Messi but he can't. Aguero? Tevez? Vucinic? Tell me, who has performed better in a secondary role.

Edit: We're the ones who are forcing our CFs out of the 9 hole Nick, not them. That's why Higuain has had enough.

In my opinion, what both these guys have done in the last 3 years while being rotated and playing next to Ronaldo is nothing short of unbelievable.

by TheEnlightenedOne Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:09 pm

Though his performances haven't been that outstanding, his numbers look SICK!

by Dante Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:40 pm

I always held Higuain in high esteem. I respect his attitude , especialy when i consider in which club he was able to stay for 7 years. I always thought he looked up to Raul , despite everything around him , he was serene , loyal and dedicated to the team. Best of luck to Higuain , even if he chooses Juventus.

by LeBéninois Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:44 pm

Le Samourai wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Looking at the outside Nick, who has performed better without being the focal point of the attack and playing less than 3000 mins? Look at Rooney now that RVP is there... he's struggling to find a role. Cesc is supposed to set up Messi but he can't. Aguero? Tevez? Vucinic? Tell me, who has performed better in a secondary role.

Edit: We're the ones who are forcing our CFs out of the 9 hole Nick, not them. That's why Higuain has had enough.

In my opinion, what both these guys have done in the last 3 years while being rotated and playing next to Ronaldo is nothing short of unbelievable.

by Art Morte Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:56 pm

TheEnlightenedOne wrote:Though his performances haven't been that outstanding, his numbers look SICK!

He plays for Real Madrid, even Danny Welbeck would score goals for them, but I'm not saying he's not a great player.

by Tomwin Lannister Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:40 pm

People need to cut Icecream FatzDMa some slack. He's not truely awful. And considering Madrid live to feed Ronaldo (And possibly Bale) you should be happy that you have a striker who's willing to drop deep.

Sure you could but a 'better' striker like Cavani. But he's not going to want to spend his time playing as a decoy and living off of the table scraps that are left to him.

by DeviAngel Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:26 pm

DeviAngel wrote:Gonzalo Higuain again fuelled links with Juventus by declaring “it’d be wonderful” to partner Fernando Llorente in Turin.

The Argentine striker announced last night that he was going to leave Real Madrid and confirmed the Bianconeri have made an offer.

“There is absolutely no chance of me staying in Madrid. I have made my decision,” Higuain told Spanish media today.

Juventus have already signed Llorente as a free agent from Athletic Bilbao for next season and Higuain was asked if he’d like to form a new partnership with him.

“It’d be wonderful. We’ll see what happens.”

Higuain has shot to the top of the wish-list, as Fiorentina will only accept €30m cash for Stevan Jovetic.

by sportsczy Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:02 pm

Madrid will only accept at least €25 million cash for Higuain too... i don't see how different that is from Jovetic.

by DeviAngel Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:05 pm

sportsczy wrote:Madrid will only accept at least €25 million cash for Higuain too... i don't see how different that is from Jovetic.

well they want 30 mill for Jovetic ... plus the relationship Fiorentina - Juve is not the best ....

by Luca Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:06 pm

sportsczy wrote:Madrid will only accept at least €25 million cash for Higuain too... i don't see how different that is from Jovetic.

Higuain has done a lot more to warrant that price at least

by sportsczy Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:09 pm

Hurry because PSG is lurking. I think that's why Madrid is holding off in part... as part of Carlo's release, PSG is asking to buy a player. The question is who.

by Le Samourai Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:20 pm

Sports - you know we will try to facilitate a move to where he wants to go. 5 million does not make a difference.

by S Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:24 pm

The quote is 100% real btw.
Man i hope this guy is not teasing us or something.This would truly be a wow signing,a 10/10 transfer.
Really hope Madrid reduce their demands.Give them first option on Vidal if needed.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:27 pm

I highly question the suitability of Higuian-Llorente personally.

by Adit Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:27 pm

Hope perez go for Pogba if higgy is going there. Chances of Higgy going to France is pretty good too.

by Mr Nick09 Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:28 pm

Le Samourai wrote:Sports - you know we will try to facilitate a move to where he wants to go. 5 million does not make a difference.

i think that option has gone because him saying to the press that he is leaving and club should figure it out is not the right move, at least from the club perspective. we are stalling on juve offer it seems, which is the move he wants so he is making pressure on us.

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