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Post by Khaled Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:45 am

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:48 am

Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

so? lol
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:05 am

What a deluded thread, dont u know messi is the best player to have ever touched a ball? ANY BALL
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:10 am

Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

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Post by Khaled Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:27 am

english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge, not me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:29 am

Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge nit me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!

How do I fail? They both have performed for their country, no?

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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:31 am

Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge, not me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!

maradona played at a time tv was broadcasting football at a higher scale...
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Post by Khaled Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:34 am

english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge nit me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!

How do I fail? They both have performed for their country, no?

True, but Maradona & Pele retired NO! while Messi just turned 24, as a long way to go,he still have @ least 10 years! do u know what can happen in these years?

Rummenigge compared Messi vs Maradona/Pele @ 22 btw!!

for now u, compare Mardona & Messi @ 24 !
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Post by the xcx Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:37 am

Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge, not me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!
lol, seriously looooooooooooooooooool. Good one haha.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:37 am

Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge nit me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!

How do I fail? They both have performed for their country, no?

True, but Maradona & Pele retired NO! while Messi just turned 24, as a long way to go,he still have @ least 10 years! do u know what can happen in these years?

Exactly. That's why for now people should stop comparing him with the best. Maybe later when he wins something with Argentina.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:40 am

soooo to sum it up, messi is still sucking for the NT, and we are running out of excuses Smile

Benzema is balling with France
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Post by Khaled Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:43 am

english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge nit me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!

How do I fail? They both have performed for their country, no?

True, but Maradona & Pele retired NO! while Messi just turned 24, as a long way to go,he still have @ least 10 years! do u know what can happen in these years?

Exactly. That's why for now people should stop comparing him with the best. Maybe later when he wins something with Argentina.

for now imo, he is best player in the world by far..

he is one of the greatest @ club level..

gd @ Nt level, but can't be compared to players lke Maradona & Pele!

just turned 24, he has enough time to improve, peak & perform his NT !! so let's wait & see!!


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Post by BeautifulGame Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:45 am

TheBlueArmy wrote:
harhar11 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though. People have already put Messi in the same breath as them as there's no doubt those two are the best 2 players ever.

Hahahaha, are you serious? Cruyff not in the list of Maradona and Pele?
And why is that so, then?

No doubt even?

It has always been Maradona and Pele whenever people talk about the best player ever. Have you ever heard of Maradona, Pele and Cyruff? Recently though Messi has somehow made that list.

I have heard cruyff been mention among those 2 it's not as much of a fact as the other 2 but out of all the player that have been mentioned as the 3rd best player of all time, Cruyff is the one I have heard the most.

Beckenbauer should be on that list no doubt, considering all his accomplishments for club and country.

Muller should be on that list too.He was as much important to both Germany and Bayern as Kaiser was.
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Post by the xcx Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:49 am

Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said about him 2 years ago:
" Nobody was so wonderful at 22 years old, neither maradona nor pele."

Pele won the WC at 17.

tell Rummenugge nit me LoOOOoL!

btw Maradona won just one WC @ 26 years old.. while Pele 3 WCs.. but alot of people say that Maradona is better!! So u fail!!

How do I fail? They both have performed for their country, no?

True, but Maradona & Pele retired NO! while Messi just turned 24, as a long way to go,he still have @ least 10 years! do u know what can happen in these years?

Exactly. That's why for now people should stop comparing him with the best. Maybe later when he wins something with Argentina.

for now imo, he is best player in the world by far..

he is one of the greatest @ club level..

gd @ Nt level, but can't be compared to players lke Maradona & Pele!

just turned 24, he has enough time to improve, peak & perform his NT !! so let's wait & see!!
CR7 says hi tho.
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Post by FennecFox7 Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:55 am

english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though.

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Post by BeautifulGame Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:01 am

Comparisons between Cryuff and Messi are completely wrong.Cryuff may not have won the world cup but he never failed to perform in world cups.He was one of the best players in 74 and 78 IIRC.

Not saying Messi will a flop for Argentina in future or something but no one can say Cryuff is not a great because he failed for Netherlands.Because thats completely ridiculous.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:08 am

Giggity5313 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though.

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Ask people who the greatest player ever is. Their answer? Mostly either Maradona or Pele. Really don't know where people are getting Cryuff from. Most people say players like Cryuff were great but Pele and Maradona were magical.

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Post by the xcx Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:14 am

Cant we agree that there is no such thing as greatest player ever?
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Post by Swanhends Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:18 am

Cant we all agree that Cruyff is an ass?
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Post by Khaled Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:23 am

english_jewel wrote:
Giggity5313 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though.

Messi needs Barca more than... - Page 3 207_not_sure_if_serious

Ask people who the greatest player ever is. Their answer? Mostly either Maradona or Pele. Really don't know where people are getting Cryuff from. Most people say players like Cryuff were great but Pele and Maradona were magical.

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Post by the xcx Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:25 am

bhends wrote:Cant we all agree that Cruyff is an ass?
I can agree on that.
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Post by FennecFox7 Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:25 am

cryuff was just as good.. seriously and this is coming from a madrid fan
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Post by Guiltybystander Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:45 am

english_jewel wrote:
Giggity5313 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though.

Messi needs Barca more than... - Page 3 207_not_sure_if_serious

Ask people who the greatest player ever is. Their answer? Mostly either Maradona or Pele. Really don't know where people are getting Cryuff from. Most people say players like Cryuff were great but Pele and Maradona were magical.

Sorry, but if anything you mostly hear it in the order 1. Pele 2. Cruyff 3. Maradona. Pele and Maradona are now mostly compared to Messi, because they are both South-American players and specifically because Maradona is also Argentine. To say that Cruyff was merely "good", not magical is decidedly bizarre. Cruyff as a player and a coach also has had one of the most profound influences over the overall game of any individual (with Pele).

Cruyff was also very successful in bringing a small team (Ajax) to win 2 CLs, he brought the Netherlands to the 1974 World Cup final (absolute key player). And if he and his family hadn't been almost kidnapped in Barcelona during the Junta in Argentina, I am quite sure he wouldn't have been forced into retirement from the NT, and would have helped the Netherlands to DO win the 1978 WC final.

It is hard to quantify who exactly is the best player in the world, impossible even, but by general consensus, Cruyff isn't considered "just great".
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:53 am

Guiltybystander wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Giggity5313 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though.

Messi needs Barca more than... - Page 3 207_not_sure_if_serious

Ask people who the greatest player ever is. Their answer? Mostly either Maradona or Pele. Really don't know where people are getting Cryuff from. Most people say players like Cryuff were great but Pele and Maradona were magical.

Sorry, but if anything you mostly hear it in the order 1. Pele 2. Cruyff 3. Maradona.

I have honestly never heard people say Cryuff is better than Maradona. Mostly I hear Maradona is the best. Maybe it's just me....

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Post by Guiltybystander Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:59 am

english_jewel wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Giggity5313 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
shinigami99 wrote:
english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)
Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though.

Messi needs Barca more than... - Page 3 207_not_sure_if_serious

Ask people who the greatest player ever is. Their answer? Mostly either Maradona or Pele. Really don't know where people are getting Cryuff from. Most people say players like Cryuff were great but Pele and Maradona were magical.

Sorry, but if anything you mostly hear it in the order 1. Pele 2. Cruyff 3. Maradona.

I have honestly never heard people say Cryuff is better than Maradona. Mostly I hear Maradona is the best. Maybe it's just me....

Some polls done under journalists and players etc.:

1."Pelé" (Brazil) 1705 (Edson Arantes do Nascimento)
2.Johan Cruijff (Netherlands) 1303
3.Franz Beckenbauer (Germany) 1228
4.Alfredo di Stéfano (Argentina) 1215
5.Diego Armando Maradona (Argentina) 1214
6.Ferenc Puskás (Hungary) 810
7.Michel Platini (France) 722
8.Garrincha (Brazil) 624 (Manoel dos Santos Garrincha)
9.Eusébio (Portugal) 544 (Eusébio Ferreira da Silva)
10.Robert Charlton (England) 508
*Source: IFFHS

Here Cruyff only loses to Maradona with a very small margin (but lot higher than no.4); from that magazine who used to decide Ballon D'Or:
1. Edson Arantes do Nascimento "PELÉ" (Brazil) 122 pts (17 - 5 - 4 - 2 - 1)
2. Diego MARADONA (Argentina) 65 ( 3 - 6 - 5 - 5 - 1)
3. Johan CRUYFF (Netherlands) 62 ( 1 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 2)
4. Alfredo DI STEFANO (Argentina/Spain) 44 ( 4 - 3 - 3 - 1 - 1)
5. Michel PLATINI (France) 40 ( 1 - 5 - 1 - 3 - 6)
6. Franz BECKENBAUER (Germany) 35 ( 2 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 6)
7. Ferenc PUSKAS (Hungary) 12 ( 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0)
8. Marco VAN BASTEN (Netherlands) 11 ( 0 - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0)
9. Artur Antunes Coimbra "ZICO" (Brazil) 7 ( 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0)
10. Gerd MÜLLER (Germany) 5 ( 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0)

First somewhat reputable sources I could find.
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Post by cyberman Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:48 pm

No fkn way is Cruyff comparable with Pele, Maradonna et all

He just isnt, Ive never heard anything like that despite what faceless journos think

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