Juventus go in heavy for Cavani

JUVENTUS MAKE STUNNING CASH-PLUS-PLAYERS OFFER FOR NAPOLI'S CAVANI

Juventus have made a stunning offer to Napoli for striker Edinson Cavani.

Juve coach Antonio Conte has made it clear he wants another striker signing made this summer, despite the arrival of Bosman prospect Fernando Llorente from Athletic Bilbao.

Tuttosport says Juve sporting director Fabio Paratici met with Napoli chief Riccardo Bigon earlier this week to discuss terms over Cavani.

Juve have made an opening bid of €30 million cash plus a choice of three players from Mauricio Isla, Paolo De Ceglie, Alessandro Matri and Mirko Vucinic.



I know it's Tuttosport...and I know...even for Juve it would be hard to fund this move...transfer fee+ salary+signing fees etc..according to many agents and transfer market specialists

but for such a striker..i would sacrifice three of them (except Vucinic)..i would even throw in some more squad depth players. I think Fiorentina would go for a similar deal for Jovetic (20 mil instead of 30)
would you agree with this move?

i would agree if its de ceglie isla and matri, not vucinic

although i dont believe this much

I would agree as long as its not Vucinic. Hell, throw in some more of our depth players too that aren't needed. Give them 25 mil plus Quags, Matri, Isla, PDC, Padoin, and Peluso.

If it's not Vucinic i'm more than happy with it.

Need to replace those players with some depth though. Cheap, young depth.

juventus101 wrote:I would agree as long as its not Vucinic. Hell, throw in some more of our depth players too that aren't needed. Give them 25 mil plus Quags, Matri, Isla, PDC, Padoin, and Peluso.

That's like all of our midfield depth. Remember, we don't have money to buy replacements if we let go of any of those players and spend so much on a striker. We could probably sacrifice one left and right midfield player, so it's Padoin OR Isla and Peluso OR PDC. We cannot afford to let them all leave. What happens if Licht or Asamoah are injured?

Anyways, do people really think that Napoli wants to field a team of all our backups? I don't see it happening. Let's not forget that Napoli will have UCL revenue next season. I still think they will sell Cavani, but I don't think they want a team of scrubs.

I still think that Fiorentina will find more use with some of our reserve players on their team. If they were to give up Jovetic for 25m and get Quags and a player like PDC in exchange, that might even be an upgrade for them overall if they spend some of that money on a few more players.

WTF are you people talking about? youd miss out on Cavani, to keep Vucinic? Id give them two Vucinics in a heartbeat. Cavani is twice the player Mirko is and we can afford to buy players like him out right, but a World Class All Around Striker, who is already Serie A tested (lets be fair, not everyone succeeds in Italy, look at Henry, and Llorente will more than likelyuck balls like all Spanish players), and is 26.

You dont let someone like this slip away because of Mirko Vucinic.

The problem is that Napoli doesn't need our depth players, that's always the problem with our cash + player offers.

FilthyLuca wrote:WTF are you people talking about? youd miss out on Cavani, to keep Vucinic? Id give them two Vucinics in a heartbeat. Cavani is twice the player Mirko is and we can afford to buy players like him out right, but a World Class All Around Striker, who is already Serie A tested (lets be fair, not everyone succeeds in Italy, look at Henry, and Llorente will more than likelyuck balls like all Spanish players), and is 26.

You dont let someone like this slip away because of Mirko Vucinic.

We're talking about letting our best striker go AND a fat stack of cash.

Vucinic goes, we won't replace him then what? We have a striker partnership of Cavani + Llorente which offers no creativity and would probably fail.

It's not about letting a striker go, it's about letting our 2nd most creative player go to replace him with a goalscorer.

Cavani is superior obviously, but our team as a collective would be pretty poor without a creative ss.

Juventude wrote:

juventus101 wrote:I would agree as long as its not Vucinic. Hell, throw in some more of our depth players too that aren't needed. Give them 25 mil plus Quags, Matri, Isla, PDC, Padoin, and Peluso.

That's like all of our midfield depth. Remember, we don't have money to buy replacements if we let go of any of those players and spend so much on a striker. We could probably sacrifice one left and right midfield player, so it's Padoin OR Isla and Peluso OR PDC. We cannot afford to let them all leave. What happens if Licht or Asamoah are injured?

Anyways, do people really think that Napoli wants to field a team of all our backups? I don't see it happening. Let's not forget that Napoli will have UCL revenue next season. I still think they will sell Cavani, but I don't think they want a team of scrubs.

I still think that Fiorentina will find more use with some of our reserve players on their team. If they were to give up Jovetic for 25m and get Quags and a player like PDC in exchange, that might even be an upgrade for them overall if they spend some of that money on a few more players.

A. Matri is no scrub, he's a starter, but just not Juve material, same goes with deceglie, Isla is fantastic, but hes coming off a long term injury, and when healthy is not only one of the best FBs in Europe, both going forward and defending, he's got great size and athleticsm, and plays many positions well, something Napoli could use.
B. with that 30 mil, they can buy a Damiao or Douglas Costa and still have money to spend

Matri is a scrub on our team and that's what I was referencing. And I totally disagree about PDC. He is almost as one-dimensional as Krasic, but can't score or defend. I hope you're right about Isla, but he was not even close to being one of the world's best FBs prior to his injury. That's a very bold statement. He could be a good player for Juve, but your assessment is a little too kind to Isla.

They may not be scrubs to other Serie A teams, but they are not upgrades to Napoli, except maybe Isla. Even that is a a big maybe.

I agree that they can buy more players with that money, but why take 30 million from Juve and some Juve backups when you might be able to get 50 million from another team and then buy players that Napoli actually rates much higher than those juve players?

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:

FilthyLuca wrote:WTF are you people talking about? youd miss out on Cavani, to keep Vucinic? Id give them two Vucinics in a heartbeat. Cavani is twice the player Mirko is and we can afford to buy players like him out right, but a World Class All Around Striker, who is already Serie A tested (lets be fair, not everyone succeeds in Italy, look at Henry, and Llorente will more than likelyuck balls like all Spanish players), and is 26.

You dont let someone like this slip away because of Mirko Vucinic.

We're talking about letting our best striker go AND a fat stack of cash.

Vucinic goes, we won't replace him then what? We have a striker partnership of Cavani + Llorente which offers no creativity and would probably fail.

It's not about letting a striker go, it's about letting our 2nd most creative player go to replace him with a goalscorer.

Cavani is superior obviously, but our team as a collective would be pretty poor without a creative ss.

First, lets be honest with ourselves, Llorente is probably going to fail miserably here, like all other spaniards not named Borja Valero. best case scenario, he'll probably be sold for 15 million euro at the end of the season.

Second, we dont NEED him and his creativity, we create more chances than anyone in Europe damn near. we NEEd a World Class striker. and we have the good fortune that Napoli plays a simalr game to us and have a striker that fits that bill

My point is, if you do a cost-benefit analysis, youd be a fool to let Cavani go to keep Vucinic. especially, if your saying to yourself "i already have Llorente.".

When the opportunity to buy a player like this comes through, in his prime, you jump at it, and rearrange the rest

Juventude wrote:Matri is a scrub on our team and that's what I was referencing. And I totally disagree about PDC. He is almost as one-dimensional as Krasic, but can't score or defend. I hope you're right about Isla, but he was not even close to being one of the world's best FBs prior to his injury. That's a very bold statement. He could be a good player for Juve, but your assessment is a little too kind to Isla.

They may not be scrubs to other Serie A teams, but they are not upgrades to Napoli, except maybe Isla. Even that is a a big maybe.

I agree that they can buy more players with that money, but why take 30 million from Juve and some Juve backups when you might be able to get 50 million from another team and then buy players that Napoli actually rates much higher than those juve players?

Honestly PDC wasnt too bad before he got injured and plays left back, which leads to my next point about isla, which is that FB is a thin position nowadays, and from what i saw (granted maybe only a handful of games at Udinese) the man made me a fan. We sometimes speak to fast, and maybe you could run off 7 or 8 names that make me say "damn, i didnt think about them, your right" but i cant think of too many.

What we need Matri for, and what Napoli need Matri for, is two totally different things

And also, our backups, are Napoli starting material, you talk like Napoli lost the Scudetto by 5 points or something. All four of these guys are NT members and would start at Napoli, barring maybe isla who is still not 100%.

Whether or not they bite the cheese, is another story, what im saying is, if they say yes, we should pull that trigger in a heartbeat.

No, whether Llorente does well or not it still doesn't matter.

We'd have Cavani playing next to a striker who can't create for him and of the strikers we already own, they're not the type of player to make runs to lure defenders and to play Cavani through.

Vucinic is a big part of our chances created, and Pirlo is the biggest part.


When Pirlo's level dips or he needs to be rested, without Mirko we have such poor creativity.

As great as Marchisio & Vidal are, neither of them are going to consistantly be able to give Cavani chance after chance.

Imagine a team with Giovinco and our Wingbacks being relied upon to assist Cavani. That's horrible.

you sell Llorente, Cavani isnt going to play EVERY game, Llorente will have his use as a backup til we can move him.

Gio on the left wing would be ideal, more space for him, he does well cutting in and he's far far away from the box. Fabio plays on the left too, and guess what you buy some wing players, there are MANY more of them, then ther are Cavani's.

in a 3-5-2 if we sell Vucinic we need either a great CAM or a very good ss to help take the burden off of Pirlo. Like I said Without Vucinic and having an off-form Pirlo, Cavani would be struggling for goals. We'd have a 50M striker who doesn't get a solid chance infront of goal if we play a big team and have no creative force.

If we get rid of Mirko and replace him creativity wise then I am ok with it.


But getting a goal machine who we can't service is quite a risky move.

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:in a 3-5-2 if we sell Vucinic we need either a great CAM or a very good ss to help take the burden off of Pirlo. Like I said Without Vucinic and having an off-form Pirlo, Cavani would be struggling for goals. We'd have a 50M striker who doesn't get a solid chance infront of goal if we play a big team and have no creative force.

If we get rid of Mirko and replace him creativity wise then I am ok with it.


But getting a goal machine who we can't service is quite a risky move.

As great as Cavani is and I would love to have him, you're exactly right. Even if we move to a 3-5-1-1, with Marchisio as the CAM, we're still very thin and low on setting up chances for Cavani. Plus, if Marchisio were to be injured or rested, we have no one even close to him to fill that position. With that said, I'm not all that impressed or sold on Marchisio in this new CAM or SS position. Maybe it's because he doesn't have a proper CF to work with, but I don't think Marchisio can fill the gap if Vucinic would leave.

Cavani is great, but it wouldn't be a smart move to give up Vucinic. I still think we need another SS even with Vucinic on the team.

This is probably all a ridiculous rumor. I don't see De Laurentiis selling us his best player for 30m and a few of our players that he doesn't necessarily need when he could sell Cavani for 50m to another team.

Yeah the rumour is probably dodgey, if we wanted Cavani we'd need to sell some of those players first. Maybe he likes one or two of them I don't know.

And yeah we definitely couldn't lose Mirko AND not get an able replacement.

There's just no point having a great finisher if we can't offer him enough chances to finish.

It's just a different version of our team last season where we had creativity in abundance but didn't have a reliable striker to get on the end of it and make it all happen.

lol at ppl thinking we are actually gonna get cavani, ADL won't even sell to us for starters not to mention the competition from oil sides. As well as the competition, we actually haveto give napoli a player they want and then the player haseto want to play for napoli coming from a better side who pay high wages . I would spend all the money on cavani( straight cash) or ibra and worry about pirlo replacement and left wing back next summer, but i am not in marotta's position.

I am expecting nothing less or more then something along the lines of nani,diamanti and lulic.....

If we got Cavani, we would need to try to give them as many depth players as need be, but Vucinic in my opinion is untouchable. When hes on form he would start for almost any team in the world. It would be ridiculous to get rid of him. Our strikers department, if we get Cavani, should look like this.

Vucinic, Giovinco, and Marchisio for SS. (Marchisio starts regularly at CM, if Gio and Vucinic are both out we move Marchisio up and put Pogba at CM).

Cavani, Llorente, and Quagliarella for CF. (As said before I think its unlikely that we will sell both Quags and Matri, especially to the same team.)

Giovinco is not a SS. He might be a SS in size, but sharing the ball is not his style. He should have far more than 6 assists for the amount of time he plays and his size. He's plays like a CF trapped inside a SS body.

This is why we need another SS.

I think the Marchisio SS or CAM experiment needs to come to an end. It's not his position.

Napoli want the cash... several other clubs tried to make player + cash offers. The most notable of which is Madrid: We offered Higuain + 35 mil and Napoli said no lol.

Juventude wrote:Giovinco is not a SS. He might be a SS in size, but sharing the ball is not his style. He should have far more than 6 assists for the amount of time he plays and his size. He's plays like a CF trapped inside a SS body.

This is why we need another SS.

I think the Marchisio SS or CAM experiment needs to come to an end. It's not his position.

I agree with your statements about MARCHISIO and GIOVINCO...

I consider GIOVINCO and MARCHISIO both as a second goal poachers, such as MULLER or PEDRO ,

I don't think that playing MARCHISIO on AMF role is a big problem as long as VUCINIC + PIRLO are somewhere on starting XI, because in football the positions of the players don't really matter it is more like, you must have the talents that you need to have: example you put there NEDVED + DEL PIERO + TREZEGUET, however you want, 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2, 4-2-3-1, that don't really matter because you have there all the qualities that a team has to have...

the formations become unique depending on where do you have that second goal poacher, is it a #7 striker such as SIMONE PEPE, because on this moment we don't have any player like that on starting XI, we have MARCHISIO and VIDAL as the second goal poachers, VUCINIC only pass the ball like NEDVED...

lucianomoggi wrote:

Juventude wrote:Giovinco is not a SS. He might be a SS in size, but sharing the ball is not his style. He should have far more than 6 assists for the amount of time he plays and his size. He's plays like a CF trapped inside a SS body.

This is why we need another SS.

I think the Marchisio SS or CAM experiment needs to come to an end. It's not his position.

I agree with your statements about MARCHISIO and GIOVINCO...

I consider GIOVINCO and MARCHISIO both as a second goal poachers, such as MULLER or PEDRO ,

I don't think that playing MARCHISIO on AMF role is a big problem as long as VUCINIC + PIRLO are somewhere on starting XI, because in football the positions of the players don't really matter it is more like, you must have the talents that you need to have: example you put there NEDVED + DEL PIERO + TREZEGUET, however you want, 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2, 4-2-3-1, that don't really matter because you have there all the qualities that a team has to have...

the formations become unique depending on where do you have that second goal poacher, is it a #7 striker such as SIMONE PEPE, because on this moment we don't have any player like that on starting XI, we have MARCHISIO and VIDAL as the second goal poachers, VUCINIC only pass the ball like NEDVED...

I get what you're saying, but I just haven't been all that impressed with the attack since Marchisio has been used as a SS. He hasn't really shown me any of the qualities that are typical of a CAM or SS when we have used that formation in recent weeks. Granted, we have been playing without a true CF as a striker, but the attack just doesn't look very good with him in that position. I don't know if it will matter because if we sign another striker, he is likely to move back to a CM position. I prefer Marchisio playing in that position because his defense is great and he just plays like a typical CM. The attack has seemed pretty weak and we have been lucky to get a few penalties called our way. Otherwise, we would have probably drawn a few of our recent matches.

To be honest, I think I would rather see Pogba in a more advanced position than Marchisio. He has had some great passes in the box and he clearly has a cannon for a leg that would be perfect for around the 18 yard box.

I think Gio is created for Trequartista