Dortmund vs Real Madrid

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BarrileteCosmico wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Mourinho's biggest strength: Adapting tactics with experience. Once he sees a team and knows what to expect, he's the best i've ever seen at making the needed adjustments... and as all of you know, i don't like Mou. But you have to give credit where credit is due.

Dortmund was new to Mou and Madrid the last time around. This time, we have intel. And keep in mind that Madrid is in 1000x better form now than in the fall.

I don't see us losing to Dortmund.

This is such bullshit. How many times has Mou lost a game this season because of the same game plan Dortmund used by other la liga teams? What has he done to create a convincing team when in possession and diversify the avenues of attacks?

We don't lose games because our tactics are wrong. The problem is not that. We play the exact same way as we did last year when we broke the record in points and goals scored in La Liga. The issue? Bad form, injuries and quirky lineups cost us early... we didn't get going until January. Mou also failed as a motivator this year in the first part of the season. Now, we just don't care about La Liga. We just use those games to rotate players and make sure everyone is ready for CL.

I'm the biggest Mou critic in the world. I don't like his overall tactics because i don't think it's very attractive. But in big games and against good sides.... Mou is the best i have ever seen. Just as en example, as soon as Nani got the red, he subbed in Modric and immediately shifted the shape of the team into a 442 with both Higuain and CR7 in the box. It took SAF 10 mins to react... in that time, we put the game away with 2 quick goals. I don't need to tell you how he's neutralized Barca now. His tactics from December 2011 and now are night and day.

He is an arse and his tyrant method has a short lifecycle. But he hasn't done what he's done with multiple teams in multiple leagues because he's not an elite manager. That you can't take away from him.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Casciavit wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:Dortmunds first team is equal to your first team, they just probably won't be able to field that for two legs. Advantage Madrid.

Gil was right

Why do you ? they beat Madrid already this season and if it wasn't for Weidenfeller's cock up in the last minute they would have beaten them twice.

Dortmund's first team isn't equal to Madrid's first team. Madrid's stronger.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Mourinho's biggest strength: Adapting tactics with experience. Once he sees a team and knows what to expect, he's the best i've ever seen at making the needed adjustments... and as all of you know, i don't like Mou. But you have to give credit where credit is due.

Dortmund was new to Mou and Madrid the last time around. This time, we have intel. And keep in mind that Madrid is in 1000x better form now than in the fall.

I don't see us losing to Dortmund.

This is such bullshit. How many times has Mou lost a game this season because of the same game plan Dortmund used by other la liga teams? What has he done to create a convincing team when in possession and diversify the avenues of attacks?

Possession has never been our strongest point. We're at our best when counter-attacking. Ever since Mourinho joined, I've always hoped our possession play would improve, however it hasn't. There's been games occasionally where our possession play has been good, however it's not been a consistent thing.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Casciavit wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:Dortmunds first team is equal to your first team, they just probably won't be able to field that for two legs. Advantage Madrid.

Gil was right

Why do you ? they beat Madrid already this season and if it wasn't for Weidenfeller's cock up in the last minute they would have beaten them twice.

Beating a team doesn't really mean that team suddenly becomes superior. Lower La Liga sides have beaten us, but it doesn't mean they're better. Not that Dortmund are a lower side... but yeh...

Perhaps but its not to the extent where its facepalm level of overrating.

The differences are very small i think Madrid will win and it will be close and i think experience and stronger squad will be the difference at the end of the day.

sportsczy wrote:We don't lose games because our tactics are wrong. The problem is not that. We play the exact same way as we did last year when we broke the record in points and goals scored in La Liga. The issue? Bad form, injuries and quirky lineups cost us early... we didn't get going until January. Mou also failed as a motivator this year in the first part of the season. Now, we just don't care about La Liga. We just use those games to rotate players and make sure everyone is ready for CL.

While I'm not saying that didn't have an issue on your games, that is not the main problem. The problem is that small teams started parking the bus vs Madrid in a much higher quantity than before, realizing that Madrid are not very good when playing on possession. This is because Mou has built a team designed to beat Barca - and it has, since Barca will never squander possession this year Madrid have been very effective against us - at the expense of diversity of play. The problems are quite clearly tactical when Madrid has lost points to the same exact tactics, which btw, were the same ones used by Dortmund.

Madrid goalkeeping and CBs are much stronger. Of course, CR7 makes Reus look like a puppy in comparison despite Reus being very good.

Other difference is depth. Madrid can come in with 3 impact-making subs in every position. Dortmund's subs are not at that level.

sportsczy wrote:
Other difference is depth. Madrid can come in with 3 impact-making subs in every position. Dortmund's subs are not at that level.

That's the biggest difference for me, well that and experience.

Dortmund are a very green team not just the players but the manager too, i think that will be their undoing in the end.

Modric and Benz were off form and the midfield is Alonso-Khedira with Essien as the backup. Ozil didn't get going until January. Marcelo was injured for 3 months. We can't break PTB teams unless our creative players are on. We were trying to break teams with Coentrao-Arbeloa overlapping, Alonso-Khedira in the middle, an off form AM until January, CR7 on the left, an off form Di Maria and an off form CF... Mou did a bad job with his motivation and his man management. He had everyone pissed off at him and many were not performing as a result. But everyone did PTB on us last year too and we absolutely destroyed them.

In retrospect, i can't really blame the tactics because the personnel wasn't right. However, i do blame Mou for splintering the locker room and causing unnecessary anxiety... that's the big culprit.

sportsczy wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Mourinho's biggest strength: Adapting tactics with experience. Once he sees a team and knows what to expect, he's the best i've ever seen at making the needed adjustments... and as all of you know, i don't like Mou. But you have to give credit where credit is due.

Dortmund was new to Mou and Madrid the last time around. This time, we have intel. And keep in mind that Madrid is in 1000x better form now than in the fall.

I don't see us losing to Dortmund.

This is such bullshit. How many times has Mou lost a game this season because of the same game plan Dortmund used by other la liga teams? What has he done to create a convincing team when in possession and diversify the avenues of attacks?

We don't lose games because our tactics are wrong. The problem is not that. We play the exact same way as we did last year when we broke the record in points and goals scored in La Liga. The issue? Bad form, injuries and quirky lineups cost us early... we didn't get going until January. Mou also failed as a motivator this year in the first part of the season. Now, we just don't care about La Liga. We just use those games to rotate players and make sure everyone is ready for CL.

I'm the biggest Mou critic in the world. I don't like his overall tactics because i don't think it's very attractive. But in big games and against good sides.... Mou is the best i have ever seen. Just as en example, as soon as Nani got the red, he subbed in Modric and immediately shifted the shape of the team into a 442 with both Higuain and CR7 in the box. It took SAF 10 mins to react... in that time, we put the game away with 2 quick goals. I don't need to tell you how he's neutralized Barca now. His tactics from December 2011 and now are night and day.

He is an arse and his tyrant method has a short lifecycle. But he hasn't done what he's done with multiple teams in multiple leagues because he's not an elite manager. That you can't take away from him.

Can't disagree with this. Exactly thesame way I view Mou.

If we don't win I think Dortmund will go on and win the whole competition. They're great at defeating big teams tbh

I don't really think its the players fault when we fail to break PTB teams down. It's simply the tactics. Our possession play isn't the best. When we face PTB teams, all we do pass it wide to Di Maria, who just becomes a pointless crossing machine from the right wing.

I was actually thinking Dortmund is gonna win the whole thing... But, barring some f*** up, I don't see madrid losing...

La decima

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Reus vs someone

we need this smiley back ffs

I wanted this tie to be the final

Collblanc wrote:Dortmund to beat the evil again! Dortmund

Most likely your team won't come in the smelling distance of the finals, after Byaern is done with your makeshift and despicable defense.

MADRID TO WEMBLEY!!! GET IN :

Really hope BvB win this, and I think they will.

wow, people under-rate BVB so much on behalf of one poor game vs Malaga.

You bet your life that if BVB didnt leave it late vs Malaga, none of this BS will take place. people forget Madrid conceded 3 to Gala ffs.

and Mourinho isn't a reactive GOD.

he's lost 4 CL semi-finals in his career.......in 2 of those occasions, he had faced the other team at least 3 times in the previous year.

as long as BVB don't lose/draw more than 1-1 at home, they have every chance to go through in Bernabeu.

the only team in competition with 100% home-win ratio, and undefeated away form home having faced some real quality teams.

BvB have this match-up in the bag. #calma

he's lost 4 CL semi-finals in his career.......in 2 of those occasions, he had faced the other team at least 3 times in the previous year.

with us one was against Barca that ref ruined the game by sending off Pepe wrongly.

one was against Bayern in penalties.

In MOU we trust .

Harry Redknapp wrote:wow, people under-rate BVB so much on behalf of one poor game vs Malaga.

You bet your life that if BVB didnt leave it late vs Malaga, none of this BS will take place. people forget Madrid conceded 3 to Gala ffs.

No one is underrating Dortmund, in fact most agree that they are good enough to be in the final four. Their record speaks for itself this season and I'm sure no one at Madrid is taking them lightly.

Also bringing up the Gala game is pointless, we put five past them over two legs and it could have been more. That tie was never in question.

Harry Redknapp wrote:and Mourinho isn't a reactive GOD.

he's lost 4 CL semi-finals in his career.......in 2 of those occasions, he had faced the other team at least 3 times in the previous year.

He lost on penalties twice though and in one he lost in a tight game that had a controversial goal. So really in all those situations it was quite close and could have gone either way.

Harry Redknapp wrote:as long as BVB don't lose/draw more than 1-1 at home, they have every chance to go through in Bernabeu.

Well yeah but that's if they get the result they want.

Harry Redknapp wrote:the only team in competition with 100% home-win ratio, and undefeated away form home having faced some real quality teams.

Like I said their form in this competition is there for all to see. They're a top team and if they go to the final I hope they win it.

The Real Madrid hate in this forum in quite hilarious, there are upsets in football and Dortmund qualifying to the final would be one, as it stands Real Madrid are the favourites, there are no two ways about that.

I predict a 1-2 win for Real in the first leg, and a 2-1 win at the Bernabeu, (4-2) on aggregate.

Lmao Zeal your sig

I don't think we win at Dortmund. The stadium there is on fire. I think it's a 2-2 draw at Dortmund.

At Madrid? 3-1 victory for Madrid.

Everyone forgets that we were in atrocious form when we played in CL pool. Our first half of the season was absolutely atrocious. If City wasn't shat, i don't think we survive the pool tbh.

LeGladiator wrote:Lmao Zeal your sig

You inspired me