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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:55 pm

Very haphazard in the way they're playing. Honestly, I can't figure out what system they're trying to run. You see players bunched together, making runs into same zones, etc.

Any decent team will completely shut you down in the final 1/3 if you're so disorganized.

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Post by Margera Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:58 pm

dani alves playing too narrow, ganso choking, neymar and robinho wasteful, no marcelo, pato was good though.

agreed with pretty much everything in your post.
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:02 pm

Pato starting is hilarious, he always chokes for Brasil. ALWAYS.

Robinho looks lost not being able to play on the left and its obvious Brasil are missing a target man upfront.

Restricting Neymar to the left all game is a waste, at least give him the freedom to move across the line.

Ganso and Neymar are creating all the chances and really they shouldn't be.

This is where they miss players like Marcelo and Kaka. Kaka may not be in the best form but he has the experience and skill to get them out of this situation. Marcelo is far better and creating chances and opening up the play than Santos.

Very very very poor coaching.

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:06 pm

The field is spaced badly, transitions are poor, roles unclear, etc. I mean wow. Are they even coached or is this beach football?

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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:06 pm

we played like crap,our player did nothing wrong though...

at least it wasnt bolivia
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:07 pm

sportsczy wrote:The field is spaced badly, transitions are poor, roles unclear, etc. I mean wow. Are they even coached or is this beach football?

Exactly


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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:10 pm

Ganso wrote:we played like crap,our player did nothing wrong though...

at least it wasnt bolivia

Sometimes you play your system and you just hit a brick wall... But dude, what was the plan tonight? Just get the ball forward an everyone figure it out?

I'd rather have poor performances by players and a system breakdown. This was a system breakdown. Players were just confused out there.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:10 pm

Always knew menezes would blew it.

no marcelo no party, even in a restricted game like this he could have provided the spark.

where is hulk? robinho isnt a difference maker imo.
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:14 pm

Hulk, Marcelo and kaka missing is a joke honestly. Fred??? How the heck is he on the team?

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:18 pm

When Fred came on I face-palmed irl lmao

In any case you could clearly tell they missed the likes of Kaka and Marcelo.

Santos really? The guy couldn't create chances in a brothel with a midget and Kaka's experience and ability still far exceeds those of Ganso atm even in his present condition.

Worst coaching I've seen of a team of this caliber since Maradona in World Cup Qualifying with Argentina.

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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:18 pm

kaka asked to not get called up for now,he openly said it.

anyway,at least our defense was perfect....lets see if good defenses win tournaments as they say
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Post by guest7 Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:25 pm

No Marcelo no party

no but honestly Marcelo coulda helped, he works hard and he shows up alot in big games, but kaka would have made the biggest difference imo
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:30 pm

Besides the personnel questions... Bigger issue was tactics and coaching. You have to have some plan out there, even against weaker teams. Not that Argentina is any better.

NT coaching tends to suck with some rare exceptions. Only Germany and Italy consistently have good coaching,

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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:33 pm

its not really just tactics...its that these guys park the bus so well,its unbelievable

take a look at Paraguay in the world cup,Colombia vs Spain just recently.

hell,bolivia destroyed messi,lavezzi,di maria and aguero(besides that volley)
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:42 pm

I think that when you face very organized "park the bus" teams is when your coaching and discipline show themselves... In a positive or negative way. When the game is open and flowing, it's easy.

That's why Barca is so good. They are such a well oiled machine that you cannot park the bus with them effectively. They will still create chances because they are fantastically coached.

Argentina and brazil are suffering from bad coaching IMO.

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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:57 pm

perhaps....truth is,brazil has always won with crappy coaches
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Post by StrugaRock Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:03 pm

Ganso wrote:perhaps....truth is,brazil has always won with crappy coaches

Yeah, but Brazil had Ronaldo, Carlos, Ronaldinho(just 2002, 2006 was a disaster) Pele, Garincha(or how the heck do you spell it) etc.

Now as "Star Status" in Brazil have: Daniel Alves, Julio Cesar. Second class players: Pato, Robinho, Neymar, Ganso, Lucio. And the rest are average or below that
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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:08 pm

we are mostly playing potential here,because all we care about it 2014 and the olympics,so in 2014 these players are supposed to become better.
Nobody here in brazil is expecting the trophy
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Post by Doc Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:32 am

Can't argue over what Brasil expects in terms of whether they want the trophy as I don't live there but I do know they expect something better than what was seen today.

I know Pato suppose to be this awesome potential waiting to be let loose or whatever but he really doesn't shine much for Brasil. I'm ignoring age at this point in time because when much is given, much is expected and he has the #9 jersey. Some may say Pato was good but I would say otherwise.

And it's about that time Robinho sees the bench. Really trying to understand why he still gets called up and the coach chose Fred over Hulk? Hulk has discipline issues but oh gosh, Fred?!
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Post by Ganso Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:41 am

mano has calling up issues...like dunga
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Post by Turok_TTZ Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:19 am

Pato no good for brazil seems a choker.


unrelated: Higuain, Benzema > Pato

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Post by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:34 pm

Actually, i give the players a break... especially Pato. Everyone on the Brazil team is trying to be the superstar goalscorer. So Pato is often impeded by players who aren't supposed to be there.

He seems a bit rusty. But that's to be expected.

Team needs an identity and an organized style that the players can buy into. This will never work in big competitions. You're just asking to get upset by a lesser team.

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