Guardiola to Bayern

FalcaoPunch wrote:if he flops will this affect his "legacy"

No, he would still be a coach that won 14 of 17 possible titles he competed for at his time at Barca. Even if he finishes 10th and got sacked clubs would still line up to sign him.

The Franchise wrote:

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:I'm not a fan of Mou on any accounts, but people have been low balling his credentials (even before this season Madrid farce) because he's been taking jobs that almost guarantee success. I guess Pep is from the same mold then

Nah, but your a Pep hater.

There was no guaranteed success for Mou either, but when you have get to spend limitless funds with Chelsea and Madrid and then go to an Inter team which at the time could win the league with a monkey in charge...what do you think people are going to say?

It has nothing to do with me being a hater of Pep. He's chose the easiest job (just like Mou does) available to keep his legacy going. Dani I remember you being the advocate on that Mou hatred train arguing how Mou's legacy isn't as great because he' been going choosing clubs that almost always guarantee success.

Every PL is a two horse race, always featuring Man Utd and someone else. Chelsea, Arsenal and now its City's turn.

But 3 teams never have a realistic chance of winning.

The only difference is its a different team every now and then.

Pep + La Bestia Negra = 2013 last chance for Real Madrid to win La Decima.

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:I'm not a fan of Mou on any accounts, but people have been low balling his credentials (even before this season Madrid farce) because he's been taking jobs that almost guarantee success. I guess Pep is from the same mold then

Who lowballs Mou's success? if anything people don't stop going on about how much of a magician he is for doing what he's done

Anyway name me a manager who has had success at a big club and then went to a lesser club out of his own choosing?

You're just not being realistic.

Its like me working at Microsoft and then leaving for Apple and people complaining i turned down Adobe or some shit

Anyway back to Guardiola now ffs

Yohan Modric wrote:I doubt Dortmund can buy big players like Bayern can. Plus Lewandowski could leave, Gotze could if he gets a good offer etc. Bayern will be an easy challenge for Pep imo. They're the only elite team in Bundesliga. The other 2nd tier teams can challenge for the title, however I think Bayern are just too strong.

I wonder if he'll change the entire team or stick with what he's got.

actually in the time of three years I see an improved tv deal and more net profit for the rest of the BL clubs

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

sportsczy wrote:lol at making EPL look like a 2 horse race.

EPL is just like la liga. 2 teams clearly above the rest, (united and city to barca and atletico respectively), a has been club in 3rd place (madrid and chelsea) and then a bunch of "the rest" teams which are close on performance level. I don't know what you're on about

Except the 2 horse change all the time lol. Sometimes, it's even 3 horse or 4. A 2-horse league is one where 2 same teams are always in the top 2 every year almost.

Bayern actually have a case that Bundi is a 1 horse league since they've won 21 titles and have been runner ups 10 times since 1970. Next closest has 9 titles.

Chelsea bought a 40m player and another 25m player,ergo the league is super competitive

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:I'm not a fan of Mou on any accounts, but people have been low balling his credentials (even before this season Madrid farce) because he's been taking jobs that almost guarantee success. I guess Pep is from the same mold then

Nah, but your a Pep hater.

There was no guaranteed success for Mou either, but when you have get to spend limitless funds with Chelsea and Madrid and then go to an Inter team which at the time could win the league with a monkey in charge...what do you think people are going to say?

It has nothing to do with me being a hater of Pep. He's chose the easiest job (just like Mou does) available to keep his legacy going. Dani I remember you being the advocate on that Mou hatred train arguing how Mou's legacy isn't as great because he' been going choosing clubs that almost always guarantee success.

No, your incorrect. My criticism of Mou isnt that he choose clubs with guarantee success..my criticism is that he wins with those clubs and people talk like he made miracles happen.

Inter winnng the CL and Porto winning the CL are the 2 things he has done which are to me, incredibly impressive.

The rest, he did a good job in some ways, bad job in some other ways. Mostly good.

I just dont buy the "god of football management" thing others like to throw around.

Btw, if Pep were linked with Man U... then i agree that Bayern is a similar challenge. No question there. But he was not linked with them. We're talking City or Chelsea.

He went with the strongest club he had an offer from.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:I'm not a fan of Mou on any accounts, but people have been low balling his credentials (even before this season Madrid farce) because he's been taking jobs that almost guarantee success. I guess Pep is from the same mold then

Who lowballs Mou's success? if anything people don't stop going on about how much of a magician he is for doing what he's done

Anyway name me a manager who has had success at a big club and then went to a lesser club out of his own choosing?

You're just not being realistic.

Its like me working at Microsoft and then leaving for Apple and people complaining i turned down Adobe or some shit

Anyway back to Guardiola now ffs

For starters almost all Mou haters are using that as an example to back up their low balling. (I'm going to use Dani as an example, but there have been much more).

And I understand that Pep couldn't possible go to a team that isn't good, but he's chosen the EASIEST of the lot. Which should say something.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Aye Schalke, Gladbach, Leverkusen etc etc are no talent scrubs.....

PL's competitiveness is overrated, if it was so competitive why are Man Utd 14 points clear of Chelsea?

Also you call BL a 2 team league..... you do realise the champions are 3rd right?

Anyway lets agree to disagree but i think safe to say you hardly watch BL or just underrate it far too much.

In La Liga last years champions are 3rd, it's still a two/one horse race, what's your point?

Yeah it says he is smart. Why go to an immoral club like City or a team like Chelsea who wont let you coach more than a year?

Bayern are far more prestigious and likely to give you a fair shake.

sportsczy wrote:Btw, if Pep were linked with Man U... then i agree that Bayern is a similar challenge. No question there. But he was not linked with them. We're talking City or Chelsea.

He went with the strongest club he had an offer from.

Bump for fanboys lol. And it's not a criticism btw. He just went with the strongest opportunity. I would too.

The Franchise wrote:

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Nah, but your a Pep hater.

There was no guaranteed success for Mou either, but when you have get to spend limitless funds with Chelsea and Madrid and then go to an Inter team which at the time could win the league with a monkey in charge...what do you think people are going to say?

It has nothing to do with me being a hater of Pep. He's chose the easiest job (just like Mou does) available to keep his legacy going. Dani I remember you being the advocate on that Mou hatred train arguing how Mou's legacy isn't as great because he' been going choosing clubs that almost always guarantee success.

No, your incorrect. My criticism of Mou isnt that he choose clubs with guarantee success..my criticism is that he wins with those clubs and people talk like he made miracles happen.

Inter winnng the CL and Porto winning the CL are the 2 things he has done which are to me, incredibly impressive.

The rest, he did a good job in some ways, bad job in some other ways. Mostly good.

I just dont buy the "god of football management" thing others like to throw around.

Fair enough. Enough about Mou methinks. But don't you think Pep's haters have found a reason to lowball his success now that he's chosen the safe route to success?

But when you look at a perspective which is not Guardiolas then there are a lot of aspects to take in to account.

1- He's going to manage the best team in the 4th best league in the world. What challenge will it be to play against the likes of Augsburg and Dusseldorf? The quality of the teams in Bundesliga is very, very poor. Apart from Bayern and Dortmund and Schalke/Neverkusen to some extent.

2- Has a set of world class players, and is going to manage the 2nd best ball possession team in the world. What challenge will it be to have players that are already familiar with a possession type of football.

3- He's going to a 2 horse league, just like it was in La Liga. Very little competition outside the top 2.

4- He has chosen the best team available out of the many he has been offered, might say a thing or 2...

Am I butthurt? Yeah, he was linked with Milan, and now went to Bayern, now there is even a bigger chance of us not getting our 4th place back

Why sign the contract now, though? There were rumors about Wenger, perhaps Ancelotti or others leaving in the summer, and Arsenal at least also seems very suited to Pep's style and seem more of a challenge. Why has he announced his decision so early?

That being said, though, Bayern will be formidable. You do have to say though that Pep will have no excuses if they regress because they are already so strong, so in that sense it is a challenge. And you have to think that the Champions League would be the main focus...

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Nah, but your a Pep hater.

There was no guaranteed success for Mou either, but when you have get to spend limitless funds with Chelsea and Madrid and then go to an Inter team which at the time could win the league with a monkey in charge...what do you think people are going to say?

It has nothing to do with me being a hater of Pep. He's chose the easiest job (just like Mou does) available to keep his legacy going. Dani I remember you being the advocate on that Mou hatred train arguing how Mou's legacy isn't as great because he' been going choosing clubs that almost always guarantee success.

No, your incorrect. My criticism of Mou isnt that he choose clubs with guarantee success..my criticism is that he wins with those clubs and people talk like he made miracles happen.

Inter winnng the CL and Porto winning the CL are the 2 things he has done which are to me, incredibly impressive.

The rest, he did a good job in some ways, bad job in some other ways. Mostly good.

I just dont buy the "god of football management" thing others like to throw around.

Fair enough. Enough about Mou methinks. But don't you think Pep's haters have found a reason to lowball his success now that he's chosen the safe route to success?

I dont know, maybe. But without direspecting and insulting anyone, that would be stupid.

Bayern have not won the CL in a decade, if he wins the CL, I dont know how you can possibly discredit that.

If he wins the Bundesliga, its not a miracle, its expected of him, but its certainly not easy. If it was, Bayern would be champions right now.

Surag wrote:It is a 2 horse race.Its just that people read too much into squad strength which is an overrated factor.

Over the years Bundesliga has proven to be the most competitive league of the top leagues across Europe so whats more to say ? Lets not turn this into a league competitiveness debate anyways.

Balanced leagued =/= competitive league.

Bundesliga is balanced (except Bayern Munich) but it's not very competitive.

I'm disapointed that Pep signed for 3 years. It's a bit cheeky considering we had to beg him every year for another year.

Bayern Munich was the least challenging place he could have gone together with Man Utd to be honest.

All in all a smart move imo, as it will ease him out of the Barca system with less risk than basically all the other options he had available to him.

The Franchise wrote:Yeah it says he is smart. Why go to an immoral club like City or a team like Chelsea who wont let you coach more than a year?

Bayern are far more prestigious and likely to give you a fair shake.

I don't want to derail the thread anymore and make it about Mou, but that's double standards at its best. Pep choosing the easiest route, it shows that he's smart. Mou choosing the safest route, it shows that he's a wuss. (And I'm not saying you ever said this Dani, but others have).

Don't even respond to this, I just wanted to point this out.

sportsczy wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Btw, if Pep were linked with Man U... then i agree that Bayern is a similar challenge. No question there. But he was not linked with them. We're talking City or Chelsea.

He went with the strongest club he had an offer from.

Bump for fanboys lol. And it's not a criticism btw. He just went with the strongest opportunity. I would too.

Am pretty sure you people would've said something negative had he joined City for instance.Especially some of them would've drawn comparisons to Mou for him choosing a team with unlimited funds,i could see it coming.Why dont we look at this from his perspective though ? Perhaps City as a club dint appeal to him ?Who knows.

And Chelsea have the most unstable management in world football so its understandable why he dint go for them.