Real Madrid vs Manchester United

Yohan Modric wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:

Because people posted a 4-2-3-1, not a 4-4-1-1. And Rooney's a forward, while Ozil's a midfielder. It's kinda like comparing Messi to Iniesta.

Sure, but that doesnt mean you have to stick rigidly to it.

Comparing Messi to Iniesta? Thats easy, Messi is better.

But would Messi be as successful at doing what Iniesta does in midfield? I think Iniesta's dribbling is more effective than Messi's in certain areas.

Also why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

Well Yohan.I tried, but I believe that you can't be saved anymore .

Why the hell should Messi need to be successful at what Iniesta does if it is not needed?I am out, I can't take it anymore .

Idiot wrote:rooney is the better goalscorer, nothing more

He is also a big game player, whereas Ozil.....yeah, we have to wait on that one.

Yohan Modric wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Why 4231? Why not 4411?

Rooney is better than Ozil, bottom line.

Because people posted a 4-2-3-1, not a 4-4-1-1. And Rooney's a forward, while Ozil's a midfielder. It's kinda like comparing Messi to Iniesta.

Sure, but that doesnt mean you have to stick rigidly to it.

Comparing Messi to Iniesta? Thats easy, Messi is better.

But would Messi be as successful at doing what Iniesta does in midfield? I think Iniesta's dribbling is more effective than Messi's in certain areas.

Also why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

Messi is better than Iniesta at every facet of the game I can think of.

Rooney is a better player than Ozil...he is better at football.

vladdy wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Sure, but that doesnt mean you have to stick rigidly to it.

Comparing Messi to Iniesta? Thats easy, Messi is better.

But would Messi be as successful at doing what Iniesta does in midfield? I think Iniesta's dribbling is more effective than Messi's in certain areas.

Also why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

Well Yohan.I tried, but I believe that you can't be saved anymore .

Why the hell should Messi need to be successful at what Iniesta does if it is not needed?I am out, I can't take it anymore .

Because Iniesta has certain attributes that help him succeed in his position.

I will pretend that I didn't understand your point of view.Both sides happy.Party time!

The Franchise wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Sure, but that doesnt mean you have to stick rigidly to it.

Comparing Messi to Iniesta? Thats easy, Messi is better.

But would Messi be as successful at doing what Iniesta does in midfield? I think Iniesta's dribbling is more effective than Messi's in certain areas.

Also why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

Messi is better than Iniesta at every facet of the game I can think of.

Rooney is a better player than Ozil...he is better at football.

For me Iniesta controls the midfield better, his dribbling is better in certain areas and has slightly better vision. Messi can be wasteful at times with his dribbling.

The Franchise wrote:

Idiot wrote:rooney is the better goalscorer, nothing more

He is also a big game player, whereas Ozil.....yeah, we have to wait on that one.

Yeah, I loved how Rooney really showed up for his country and how ManU totally beasted it in the last few UCL seasons, all because of him.

PS: Can someone make an Özil v Rooney thread in the rightback section? This isn't as much fun as I thought it would be.

No, it really isnt.

Messi is not wasteful with his dribbling..its just common sense your going to lose the ball more often if you dribble 3 and 4 players around the penalty box than 1 or 2 deeper in midfield.

This is not Iniesta being more effective, this is Messi having much harder conditions to work in.

Also, who cares. Messi is better than Iniesta at football, whatever way you put it, who is the better player.

Same as Ozil and Rooney.

VivaStPauli wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Idiot wrote:rooney is the better goalscorer, nothing more

He is also a big game player, whereas Ozil.....yeah, we have to wait on that one.

Yeah, I loved how Rooney really showed up for his country and how ManU totally beasted it in the last few UCL seasons, all because of him.

PS: Can someone make an Özil v Rooney thread in the rightback section? This isn't as much fun as I thought it would be.

England? Perhaps we should lambast Giggs for not doing anything with Wales too?

Go look at Rooney in Euro 2004 for England, he carried them.

Rooney in the CL? You mean that guy who scored on Barca in the final? Yeah that guy really sucked.

Which is why you can't really compare Messi and Iniesta. They both have different roles. However yeh, Messi is the better player at football overall.

Why is Rooney better than Ozil at AM?

rooneys last big performance for england was 9 years ago tbf at least he isnt stamping on peoples balls anymore when his team needs him

but then again in 2010 wc he couldnt even trap a bag of sand.

You trolling me or something bro

You can compare, Messi is better, its not complicated.

Likewise, Rooney is better.

AM, second striker...whatever.

If it's just a basic comparison, then yeh, Messi's overall better than Iniesta. However that's without all the in depth stuff.

It's like saying Ronaldo's better than Iniesta overall, however not looking at the individual things Iniesta is better at than Ronaldo.

Why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

VivaStPauli wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Idiot wrote:rooney is the better goalscorer, nothing more

He is also a big game player, whereas Ozil.....yeah, we have to wait on that one.

Yeah, I loved how Rooney really showed up for his country and how ManU totally beasted it in the last few UCL seasons, all because of him.

PS: Can someone make an Özil v Rooney thread in the rightback section? This isn't as much fun as I thought it would be.

One of the worst ideas I have ever read on this forum.Are you serious man? Ozil playing as a CAM is far better than Rooney as a CAM.This doesn't mean that Rooney isn't the more mature and more experienced footballer. Stop this, please.

I like joking and I did it until now, but some users here don't understand that there are things and things that are useless to debate.

It is pointless to compare Ozil and Rooney.I mean, I am not talking about their skills and football abilities.They don't play in the same position, they have different styles of play and different tasks ( different roles ) given by their coaches.

Why am I so pissed off?Because incitement to trolling, spamming and creating useless debates on this forum, has reached a defamatory level.I prefer less quantity and more quality.

Now I expect Yohan Modric to say something like this:

"Haven't Rooney played as a AM this season so far? "

Which is exactly why I want this inane debate to continue in the spam- and troll-infested rightback section, not here.

Here we could actually talk about one of the more exciting UCL ties of the season, instead of me having to read people trying to convince themselves, and me along with them, that Shrek is a better playmaker than Özil.

So you should really redirect your anger into a more deserving direction.

Yohan Modric wrote:If it's just a basic comparison, then yeh, Messi's overall better than Iniesta. However that's without all the in depth stuff.

It's like saying Ronaldo's better than Iniesta overall, however not looking at the individual things Iniesta is better at than Ronaldo.

Why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

Thats not true though, Cristiano isnt better

Let me ask you a question, your on a football pitch and Man Utd and Madrid have their teams lining up.

You get to pick, Ozil or Rooney.

Who do you want to pick? Whoever that player is, hes better (in your opinion).

VivaStPauli wrote:Which is exactly why I want this inane debate to continue in the spam- and troll-infested rightback section, not here.

Here we could actually talk about one of the more exciting UCL ties of the season, instead of me having to read people trying to convince themselves, and me along with them, that Shrek is a better playmaker than Özil.

So you should really redirect your anger into a more deserving direction.

Well, it can be a good step if that section is considered troll-infested, but still it would be better if we try to encourage users to focus on quality posts and genuine arguments.I have some well-developed plans and ideas in my mind which I believe it could help a lot this forum to improve a lot when it comes about the quality of its debates, but I am not ready to make the next step and post it to the 'Comments and Feedback Section'.At the moment, I think that no admins and mods would listen or even read carefully my points.

VivaStPauli wrote:Which is exactly why I want this inane debate to continue in the spam- and troll-infested rightback section, not here.

Here we could actually talk about one of the more exciting UCL ties of the season, instead of me having to read people trying to convince themselves, and me along with them, that Shrek is a better playmaker than Özil.

So you should really redirect your anger into a more deserving direction.

Feel free to start the thread, this wont last forever between me and MT, I give it one more post each max. If you want to talk about the game, go right ahead, I think everyone will be more interested in that anyway..I know I will anyway.

For the AM spot I'd pick Ozil.

It's hard to compare 2 players who play different roles like Iniesta and Ronaldo.

The Franchise wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:If it's just a basic comparison, then yeh, Messi's overall better than Iniesta. However that's without all the in depth stuff.

It's like saying Ronaldo's better than Iniesta overall, however not looking at the individual things Iniesta is better at than Ronaldo.

Why is Rooney better at AM than Ozil?

Thats not true though, Cristiano isnt better

Let me ask you a question, your on a football pitch and Man Utd and Madrid have their teams lining up.

You get to pick, Ozil or Rooney.

Who do you want to pick? Whoever that player is, hes better (in your opinion).

Personally I'll first look to what i need, i agree that Rooney is the better player but there are things that Ozil does better than Rooney and vice versa, it depends on the situation.

Mate, I dont think we need to complicate it in this way.

You got the 4th pick.

RVP, Cristiano and Benzema all been chosen already.

Not allowed to choose any defenders.

Who you pick?

Di Maria of course.

You of course do not count. You would have Man Utd sign Rojo so you can choose him before you pick a non-Argentine.

Ronaldo isn't better than Iniesta.

You're by far the most biased poster on this forum and it isn't even close.

First you get in a pointless argument over Walcott rinsing Adriano, now this.

Btw anyone who thinks Ozil is better than Rooney is clinically insane. Ozil is the better creator and dribbler but that's about it.

ok speaking of the game which is today in case you guys forgot

----------------------De gea--------------------------
Rafael------ferdinand-----vidic/evans-------evra
---------------carrick------cleverley-----------------
valencia-----------rooney-----------nani/young
-----------------------rvp------------------------------

-----------------------benz----------------------------
cristiano---------ozil/modric---------di maria/ozil
-------------------xabi---khedira--------------------
coentrao-----ramos--varane------essien/arbeloa
------------------------lopez---------------------------

madrid should start ozil wide he would do a better job against evra, although im pretty sure di maria is gonna start
regarding the other flank im certain is wiser to start coentrao over marcelo, he can handle valencia and rafael all by him self cristiano wont even have to fall back.
khedira will be the key player imo i wonder what mou's instructions are for him

The Franchise wrote:You of course do not count. You would have Man Utd sign Rojo so you can choose him before you pick a non-Argentine.

I would have Di Maria do all the hard work while I act as a tap in merchant from his crosses. CR7 + Benz + RVP don't stand a chance.