Re: Old style Italian center forward: Pazzini

by danyjr Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:38 pm

Sorry but that Cassano-Pazzini deal was all in Inter's favour. Cassano is a gem while Pazzini is average. If only Cassano was more professional he would have been one of the GOAT.

by Lupi Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:41 pm

Old style

by Tomwin Lannister Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:53 pm

danyjr wrote:Sorry but that Cassano-Pazzini deal was all in Inter's favour. Cassano is a gem while Pazzini is average. If only Cassano was more professional he would have been one of the GOAT.

Nah, I'm a Cassano fan but AC Milan got the better deal. Although I didn't think it at the time.

It's Inters fault for not using Pazzini properly.

by Eivindo Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:53 pm

danyjr wrote:Sorry but that Cassano-Pazzini deal was all in Inter's favour. Cassano is a gem while Pazzini is average. If only Cassano was more professional he would have been one of the GOAT.

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:59 pm

danyjr wrote:Sorry but that Cassano-Pazzini deal was all in Inter's favour. Cassano is a gem while Pazzini is average. If only Cassano was more professional he would have been one of the GOAT.

lolwut?

Pazzo was one of the major reasons we were able to get back in the race for CL spots, when teams were not getting the results they needed. He was there scoring those much needed goals. January-February period was when it changed for us..

You say it worked in Inter's favor? Suuuure causing an outburst in the dressing room was in their favor? pls go

Be that as it may, Cassano is an extremely talented dude, but his attitude has always been a problem.

Cassano: Apps Goals Assists
FW (Forward - Centre) Starting 29 6 8
Sub (Substitute) 6 2 1
Pazzini Apps Goals Assists
FW (Forward - Striker) 19 11 3
Sub 12 4 0
Thats the amount of times they started a game

EDIT: Stats from Whoscored
Pazzo: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/9975
Cassano: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/711/

EDIT 2: I've misinterpreted the numbers.. the position thing of who scored i didnt understand

by Swanhends Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:39 pm

whoscored

pls go

Cassano has 7 goals and 9 assists, according to both ESPN and Transfermarkt

Edit: Followed the link and whoscored actually has the right numbers...Not sure how you turned the 7 goals 9 assists into 5 and 5

by Tomwin Lannister Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:43 pm

How many of that happened in Europa for Cassano though?

by Swanhends Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:49 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:How many of that happened in Europa for Cassano though?

None, 7 and 9 are his numbers in Serie A

In the Europa League Transfermarkt has him at 1 goal and 4 assists

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:53 pm

Pazzini has performed to a much higher level than Cassano this season i don't care about who is the better player tbh but Pazzini has been better this season.

Thus as of right now Milan getting the better end of the deal.

Also Swanhends, Whoscored are the crème de la crème of stats. People laugh because of their ridiculous average ratings and the fact stats shouldn't be such a big aspect in football.

But they are king at what they do.

by Swanhends Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:57 pm

Cassano is fat and lazy, cba defending him, just wanted to correct the false stats

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:00 pm

I just realised ES only added the numbers as a CF lol.

ES

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:03 pm

Sorry the way they layed out the numbers confused me, ive updated them

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:04 pm

Also is Whoscored an unreliable place for stats?

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:05 pm

btw i just added their non-sub appearnces with goals+assists to the starts, while the other row is for sub appearances for goals+assists

by zizzle Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:28 pm

doesnt mater, got 7m

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:30 pm

zizzle wrote:doesnt mater, got 7m

Old style Italian center forward: Pazzini - Page 2 250px-MaterCars

by danyjr Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:53 pm

I'm afraid it is not even for debate. The difference in their technique, vision and intelligence is like comparing Thiago Silva to Carragher. If we're talking about versatility, Cassano can play in centre, behind the striker or on the side while Pazzini is an average one trick pony poacher type player who scores a handful against crappy teams and flops consistently against good teams.

Oh, and celebration what? :coffee:

Spoiler:

by Tomwin Lannister Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:00 pm

But Pazzini's had a better season, and this is a debate about who got the best deal.

And Pazzini's been the difference between Europa and 3rd.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:01 pm

danyjr wrote:I'm afraid it is not even for debate. The difference in their technique, vision and intelligence is like comparing Thiago Silva to Carragher. If we're talking about versatility, Cassano can play in centre, behind the striker or on the side while Pazzini is an average one trick pony poacher type player who scores a handful against crappy teams and flops consistently against good teams.

Oh, and celebration what?

Spoiler:

All that is irrelevant when Pazzini is performing and Cassano isn't....

Talent means f*ck all, so far Pazzini has been the better performer.

Not to mention mention Cassano's career at the top level is pretty much done and Pazzini can still perform to a decent standard also goes against him.

I don't care if he's a limited poacher, his performances have far outweighed what Cassano has given.

by Luca Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:03 pm

Milan easily won the transfer. Pazzini has produced in his role in exchange for a player who demanded to leave. Cassano has only shown glimpses this season for Inter. Pazzini has quietly put together a great season.

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:23 pm

One trick pony? scratch

Whatever happened to hold up play, positioning and killer instinct ?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:28 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:One trick pony?

Whatever happened to hold up play, positioning and killer instinct ?

Since Barca came around everyone become obsessed with passing and link up play.

I'm sick of it personally, hopefully they get battered again and it all gets put to bed.

Players like Pippo Inzaghi would be considered on the same level as Mathieu Flamini by modern fans.

by danyjr Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:42 pm

This argument has got nothing to do with Barcelona, no idea how you came up with it. Probably side effects of something else.

Anyway, I'm talking about talent, which your pretty stats fail to measure. :coffee:

Ta

by Arquitecto Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:20 pm

Average one trick pony big game flop? Laughing

Yes considering he is one of the only CFs in Serie A who has scored against every team over two times? Half of Pazzo's goals with Milan were game saving goals as yesterday is just an example. Why hold little praise for his clutch ability which saved launched Sampdoria to 4th spot (along with Cassano) and how he has been prolific for Milan in launching us from relegation to 3rd? Or where he brought Sampdora down 3 agg. goals only to have his team go out on away goals via Pizzaro

Why criticize him for being a one-trick pony? He is ambidextrous, possess highly intelligent movement, is clutch, one of the classic headers of the ball who rely less on power and more on acute angles and accuracy. How about his volleying technique or that he scored from 20 yards while hobbling on one foot? Or the fact that he moves less than a goalkeeper yet is consistent in his finishing? See his goals this season.

Cassano has been quite good this season yet Pazzo has been far better and has many more years on him.

Even Inzaghi's lack of technique was a myth. Another two-footed, expert volley-er with expert finishing and there hasn't been a more intelligent or clutch striker since then. His goal v Barca in the Joan Gamper was just an example.

Poaching isn't dead as most modern strikers don't realize a damn thing about exploiting and opening channels and that you CAN score even if you are in poor form. Its a lost art that guys like Gomez, Huntelaar, Pazzini, Borini, Klose, etc are carrying.

Qualities such as these in-box intelligence and instincts cannot be taught

by Kaladin Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:23 pm

danyjr wrote:This argument has got nothing to do with Barcelona, no idea how you came up with it. Probably side effects of something else.

Anyway, I'm talking about talent, which your pretty stats fail to measure.

Ta

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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

All that is irrelevant when Pazzini is performing and Cassano isn't....

Talent means f*ck all, so far Pazzini has been the better performer.

Not to mention mention Cassano's career at the top level is pretty much done and Pazzini can still perform to a decent standard also goes against him.

I don't care if he's a limited poacher, his performances have far outweighed what Cassano has given.

Luca wrote:Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

by BarcaLearning Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:14 am

Arquitecto wrote:Average one trick pony big game flop?

Yes considering he is one of the only CFs in Serie A who has scored against every team over two times? Half of Pazzo's goals with Milan were game saving goals as yesterday is just an example. Why hold little praise for his clutch ability which saved launched Sampdoria to 4th spot (along with Cassano) and how he has been prolific for Milan in launching us from relegation to 3rd? Or where he brought Sampdora down 3 agg. goals only to have his team go out on away goals via Pizzaro

Why criticize him for being a one-trick pony? He is ambidextrous, possess highly intelligent movement, is clutch, one of the classic headers of the ball who rely less on power and more on acute angles and accuracy. How about his volleying technique or that he scored from 20 yards while hobbling on one foot? Or the fact that he moves less than a goalkeeper yet is consistent in his finishing? See his goals this season.

Cassano has been quite good this season yet Pazzo has been far better and has many more years on him.

Even Inzaghi's lack of technique was a myth. Another two-footed, expert volley-er with expert finishing and there hasn't been a more intelligent or clutch striker since then. His goal v Barca in the Joan Gamper was just an example.

Poaching isn't dead as most modern strikers don't realize a damn thing about exploiting and opening channels and that you CAN score even if you are in poor form. Its a lost art that guys like Gomez, Huntelaar, Pazzini, Borini, Klose, etc are carrying.

Qualities such as these in-box intelligence and instincts cannot be taught

Another good read... just goes to show nothing is definite in football... just when I thought the pure poacher is dead Razz

Although obviously for a poacher to be successful, he needs to be in a team thats built for it... I always thought an ideal team should have different players good at different things, and this is one thing Barca missing now definitely, Villa used to be it, but not effective anymore...

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