Would Wenger survive..

The last thing Arsenal need is a playmaker though.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Thing is, young players wont be able to carry arsenal.

Ramsey is talented, but he isnt a top player, far from it. Gervinho has even less playmaking skills than Nasri.

it's going to be a painful transition

i dont think wenger is planning to start ramsey day n day out. We will buy a replacement.

also, gervinho had 15 assists last season compared to nasri's 4, and gervinho played as a winger while nasri played 10-15 matches as a playmaker.

Gil wrote:The last thing Arsenal need is a playmaker though.

how so? you never have enough playmaker

I am saying this.

but Arsenal missed a trick with Nolan...a Barton/Nolan type of player is the final piece of jigsaw to win them the title

we won 3 doubles without a playmaker lol

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

Gil wrote:The last thing Arsenal need is a playmaker though.

how so? you never have enough playmaker

Xavi-Deco-Iniesta says wassup

RealGunner wrote:we won 3 doubles without a playmaker lol

so are you telling me that guys like bergkamp or viera werent creating when they were on the ball, creating great link up with the other players?

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

so are you telling me that guys like bergkamp or viera werent creating when they were on the ball, creating great link up with the other players?

RG is saying that Arsenal had their most successful period whent he team wasn't focused around a true playmaker like Cesc.

Vieira and Bergkamp weren't playmakers in the strictest sense. Creators, yes, but both fulfilled multiple roles in the team. Vieira was box-to-box and was even better defensively than he was offensively, and Bergkamp was our secondary goal threat.

We don't necessarily have to replace Cesc like-for-like, so long as any player we bring can create something, either through a bit of dribbling flair or great passing.

As far as I'm concerned, this would be a good move for Arsenal.
All 3 are players who have proven that, despite their huge talent, they cannot play full seasons at full form due to injuries and other factors. Arsenal have good cover for all of them. Ramsey, Wilshire and Eboue all play fairly regularly, injury permitting.
And then, facor in that Arsene will have around 60m to spend on reinforcements for each player, plus a bit extra for other more needed areas.
Gervinho looks a certainty to join and he's pretty sharp.
Basically the point is. Yes, all of these guys have proven that they are very talented... BUT, have they proven that they are winners? Winners worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as the Xavi's, the Iniesta's the Wesley Sneijders, the wayne rooneys, etc?

Each has been at Arsenal for quite a while, and what do they have to show for it? A failure at the Carling Cup Final.
It's time for a new generation at Arsenal, and this exodus could be the renewal of the squad that Arsenal really needed. But, the ultimate solution would be to get rid of Wenger, IMO.

I am sure they will be replaced but there aren't many players as good as Nasri and Cesc. The ones that are will be expensive and Wenger is greedy as usual. He has promised activity in July so lets see the new faces coming in. I too feel that if he fails to deliver next season then it might be his last.

GoonerJay29 wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

so are you telling me that guys like bergkamp or viera werent creating when they were on the ball, creating great link up with the other players?

RG is saying that Arsenal had their most successful period whent he team wasn't focused around a true playmaker like Cesc.

Vieira and Bergkamp weren't playmakers in the strictest sense. Creators, yes, but both fulfilled multiple roles in the team. Vieira was box-to-box and was even better defensively than he was offensively, and Bergkamp was our secondary goal threat.

We don't necessarily have to replace Cesc like-for-like, so long as any player we bring can create something, either through a bit of dribbling flair or great passing.

That's exactly what i had in mind. Im not a fan of having everything turn around a single player, but the more you have players that can help build up the game link up with the others and get involved, the better.

Arsenal's forwards were good enough back then to make their own plays. The only one good enough for that is Van Persie, and we only play with 1 striker. Also, our defense and midfield were rock solid.

Not exactly our current state...

Pires, vieira, bergkamp and Henry were all very creative from their positions. They were also considered the best or top 3 in the world at their respective positions. If cesc and nasri go, arsenal will only have van persie who would be considered a tip player at his position among the attacking players... Assuming he stays healthy.

Honestly, this would spell disaster for Arsenal in terms of it's brand.

Well if all 3 of them leave then it will be tough for him. However Gibbs can replace Clichy and maybe Gervinho can replace Nasri in attack.

In any other important league, Wenger would have been replaced. Frankly, he probably would have been replaced if he managed any of the other top EPL clubs. Look at Chelsea. Ancellotti came in second in the league I think, after the owner sold 6 players and bought no suitable replacements and he got fired. Oh, he brought in a useless Torres in January.

And how would he do in a corrupt league like Serie A wiggles?

im disappointed as a gunner. not that we're losing these three, but we'll only manage to get around 60 for all three. and i guarantee we wont even spend that to buy players.

Clichy, Nasri and Fabregas will most definitely be replaced if they leave. But if Arsenal finishes outside of the top 4 this season (which is a really possibility with Liverpool being back to their former strength) then I think Wenger will say goodbye.

Wenger will spend and he can replace them easy, all 3 get injured a lot so wont be a big loss like most ppl think. We have players that can help, maybe the curse will be over once these players leave .

The papers are going crazy creating small things in to big deals, all 3 players love Arsenal, I just dont see them going to City. Last year Cesc was signed with Barcelona according to the papers at least 10 times but it never happened.

Arsenal will be a top team, because of Wenger, so letting him go would be the biggest mistake, and also now Arsenal has money to spend.

Clichy wants more money and only Money city can offer that, and plus he is Arsenal weakest link.

the_gooner wrote:And how would he do in a corrupt league like Serie A wiggles?

You mean the most policed league where any hint of corruption is investigated immediately and the perpetrators punished.

milanista99 wrote:Clichy, Nasri and Fabregas will most definitely be replaced if they leave. But if Arsenal finishes outside of the top 4 this season (which is a really possibility with Liverpool being back to their former strength) then I think Wenger will say goodbye.

when arsenal decided to build the emirates..... they had planned that CL wasn't a certainty until our debt was gone.....

Im very optimistic ! but if any case Wenger fails....there is another boss ! a real one ,who would replace him ....sooo ,there is no problem IMO !

ffs I really can't stand this anymore, I can't log on to the forums anymore without seeing an attack of ARSENAL NO BIG CLUB ANYMORE!!! ARSENAL NASRI CESC GAEL NO LOSE!!! WENGER IS BIG HOMO !! I really can't stand it anymore!!!!!!!! Arsenal this Arsenal that, and it happens EVERY SINGLE DAMN SUMMER!!! We lose Ade and Kolo . LOL YOU GUYS SUCK , NO CL FOR YOU. We are amongst the best teams in the world mid season . WE ALWAYS REPLACE OUR PLAYERS! Nasri isn't leaving, and if he does, don't forget who made him big in the first place. Fabregas is one of the best players in the world, forget what your saying about him he is PROVEN . If we lose him we can easily just change our style or even play different players there, it's not like we haven't manged without him. This talk about the Arsenal " BRAND " is bull. THIS IS FOOTBALL NOT HOLLYWOOD. Debt is still talked about like it doesn't affect us, like we weren't CHEATED out of a 3rd place in the EPL (ASTON VILLA) like we weren't cheated out of the top spot in our group (BRAGA) how we weren't cheated out of Europe ( BARCA ) !! People forget we have Chamakh in our Arsenal who practically CARRIED us in the first half of the season . Walcott who was in sensational form last season despite whatever anyone says. Song who was a beast last season. ARGHHH!!

RANT OVER!! I WILL RETURN.