Re: Andre Villas Boas To Spuds: Done Deal

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:45 am

fatman123 wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

thats true, i mean any competition with liverpool in it.....

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by Shed Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:47 am

The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.

Gee, I don't know...maybe the fact that that's the only other place he's managed has something to do with it....

And as I said, yes, he excelled in the Europa League, but what does that mean if everything he's done since has been an abysmal failure?

by RedOranje Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:58 am

fatman123 wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

thats true, i mean any competition with liverpool in it.....

What's Chelsea's record against Liverpool in the last 2 seasons, again?

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:00 am

RedOranje wrote:
fatman123 wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

thats true, i mean any competition with liverpool in it.....
What's Chelsea's record against Liverpool in the last 2 seasons, again?

Doesn't matter though, does it? We have a better TROPHY record in the last 2 seasons(including beating you in one Final). Cool

by Sushi Master Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:04 am

AVB is a good manager, but all I can see is Spurs leaking goals like rain under his tactics. The midfield is good enough for that sort of style, but no way are the defense or attack suited for it.

Nevermind if Modric goes. They'd have it better playing hoofball than a slick passing style considering the current quality of PL CMs.

by RedOranje Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:04 am

When talking about tactical difficulty I'd say a head to head record is pretty relevant, since you were the one to specifically mention Liverpool.

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:06 am

RedOranje wrote:When talking about tactical difficulty I'd say a head to head record is pretty relevant, since you were the one to specifically mention Liverpool.

That was actually fatman, not me. Very Happy

I'm always a nice lad. Afro

by Sri Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:56 am

Well I see where you are coming from with the total failure of AVB's methods and tactics with Chelsea, and how RDM got you silverware out of a season where most people had written you off. But forgive my ignorance, how supportive was the team of AVB from day one?

I believe that heirarchy exists for a reason. And senior players can not and should not be revolting against a manager. There are better ways of sorting out differences. France had their fair share of troubles in WC2010 with the whole players vs. coach scenario.

Don't get me wrong, I am not absolving AVB of any crimes here. He was pathetic with the way he managed his team in England. As were his stubborness to the very same tactics, no matter who the opponent.

I think he is an intelligent chap and would have learned his lessons though. When we talk about giving players time to settle in the PL, shouldn't a relatively young and new manager also be given some time to adjust his methods and approach? If he is half as tactically astute as his time at Porto portrayed him to be, he would have well learned his lessons now.

And that brings me to what happens if he takes over at Spuds. Well, they are pretty shite anyway, and his high line will see them concede a joyous number of goals. But if he is given time, and reasonable say in transfers, then he can make them competitive again (even though I can taste some bile saying that, I would rather beat the best Spuds team in 50 years 5-2 than win 2-0 over a mediocre bunch of twats.)

by CBarca Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:10 am

Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

Tell that to Man U. fans...

by fatman123 Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:52 am

RedOranje wrote:
fatman123 wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

thats true, i mean any competition with liverpool in it.....
What's Chelsea's record against Liverpool in the last 2 seasons, again?

yeah ok, on a head-to-head basis you leave us for dead, but if you compare league standings and trophies over the last 2 seasons its much different story, consistancy>one off wins

also red removing Andre Villas Boas To Spuds: Done Deal - Page 2 Le_210

Andre Villas Boas To Spuds: Done Deal - Page 2 Le_210

from my post before quoting me :bow:

by RedOranje Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:15 am

RedOranje wrote:When talking about tactical difficulty I'd say a head to head record is pretty relevant, since you were the one to specifically mention Liverpool.

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:33 am

You lose, Red. Cool

by The Franchise Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:31 am

Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

It might not be, but I think beating Benfica, Villarreal, Atletico and Braga is harder than Fulham, Everton, Stoke and the like.

by fatman123 Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:43 am

he didnt even beat Fulham Everton and Stoke with Chelsea ffs!

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:25 pm

fatman123 wrote:he didnt even beat Fulham Everton and Stoke with Chelsea ffs!

by teamanarchy Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:35 pm

AVB's issue at Chelsea was that he was basically instructed to bring in a new phase of players. He tried to do his job, but the core of the squad, such as Lampard, Drogba etc. Were the players he was trying to phase out.
People forgot how well he did at Porto...
And I honestly think that given the right circumstances (Modric, Bale, Parker, VdV, etc. staying) and the right budget (Levy will provide) and enough creative freedom (no problem from the men above him), he can prove that he's still the man that took Porto through an entire season undefeated.

by The Franchise Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:40 pm

fatman123 wrote:he didnt even beat Fulham Everton and Stoke with Chelsea ffs!

smh

I could throw similar type statements at Mancini in his first season (they had nearly identical records) and now look, Man City are Champs.

by teamanarchy Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:43 pm

He wasn't given the creative freedom he needed at Chelsea.
Di Matteo was... look where it got him.

by Shed Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:48 pm

The team being "behind" him or not makes no difference at all in his team selections, formations, and substitutions, etc. Yes, the squad wasn't playing for him in the end which did have an effect on results, but they didn't need to be for him to get those things right, which he simply didn't.

Lack of support has no effect on his strategic and tactical decision-making, and he got all of that wrong.

by kiranr Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:50 pm

teamanarchy wrote:He wasn't given the creative freedom he needed at Chelsea.
Di Matteo was... look where it got him.

Di Matteo? creative? freedom? eco smile

by Onyx Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:59 pm

I think at Spurs AVB will be given time. At Chelsea they expect to win every major trophy and if a few results go wrong then they start worrying. Spurs however don't have high expectations.

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:22 pm

ShedEnd1905 wrote:The team being "behind" him or not makes no difference at all in his team selections, formations, and substitutions, etc. Yes, the squad wasn't playing for him in the end which did have an effect on results, but they didn't need to be for him to get those things right, which he simply didn't.

Lack of support has no effect on his strategic and tactical decision-making, and he got all of that wrong.

Exactly! I can't even remember any match under him where we came from behind to win the match or where we won after drawing the match for extended periods. I can only remember NUMEROUS occasions where we conceded within the last 15mins after being ahead. Defense was as poor as I've ever seen a Chelsea defense in the last 12 years.

The fact that the players eventually weren't playing for him has nothing to do with his horrendous substitutions and tactics. I mean, the man played *bleep*ing BOSINGWA at LB against Napoli and sat Ashley Cole on the bench. :facepalm:

by Shed Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:32 pm

The only time I remember him doing anything that changed our fortunes in a game was the match against United at Old Trafford. We were completely outplayed in the first half, then at halftime he made a few changes, and we were clearly the better side until the final whistle, as even many United fans conceded. Only problem was, we were still beaten 3-1, and it could have been more with the Rooney penalty miss and maybe an uncalled one or two.

Other than that, he was useless. This tactical mastery we heard (and still hear) so much about was AWOL for the entire 8 months he was with us.

by halamadrid2 Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:33 pm

The Franchise wrote:
It might not be, but I think beating Benfica, Villarreal, Atletico and Braga is harder than Fulham, Everton, Stoke and the like.

Pathetico were eliminated in the group stages and Benfica lost to Braga so both didn't get to meet Porto

by Zero Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:22 am

CBarca wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Why do you keep saying Portugal, like thats the only place he was good tacticially?

For the third time, EUROPA LEAGUE.
Well the Europa League is not the most difficult competition out there, is it Dani?

Spoiler:

Tell that to Man U. fans...

So true.

teamanarchy wrote:He wasn't given the creative freedom he needed at Chelsea.
Di Matteo was... look where it got him.

Creative freedom in a 10-0-0 formation? hmm

by Shed Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:49 am

meteormaker wrote:Creative freedom in a 10-0-0 formation?

In 2 games out of 21, yes.

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