Group C: Spain vs Italy discussion

urbaNRoots wrote:

pUsHa wrote:You guys are just a bunch of fking retards lol .... What did Torres do wrong lol !?!?!?!? First ocassion Buffon did a wonderful job and didnt fall on the ground like any other goalie would do .... and the second chance was that chip ... he had two defenders in his face and Buffon was coming out of the goal , he did great taking down one defender to create that chip wich was a little bit unlucky .... would Negredo and Lorrente come in and create those chances themselves or would they expect to get served , ffs the hate with torres is strong here .

Bénin wrote:

urbaNRoots wrote:

pUsHa wrote:You guys are just a bunch of fking retards lol .... What did Torres do wrong lol !?!?!?!? First ocassion Buffon did a wonderful job and didnt fall on the ground like any other goalie would do .... and the second chance was that chip ... he had two defenders in his face and Buffon was coming out of the goal , he did great taking down one defender to create that chip wich was a little bit unlucky .... would Negredo and Lorrente come in and create those chances themselves or would they expect to get served , ffs the hate with torres is strong here .

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:he missed one chance where buffon did very well but he was always threatening and got into dangerous goalscoring positions repeatedly...he played a good game just needs to finiah

he got himself into good positions which was a start, but he lacked the most important thing finishing...

Btw he missed the one v one and the chance where he tried to chip Buffon.

I dont know why you guys mention Cassano between Pirlo DDR Buffon Chiellini ..He had average game just like Marchisio Maggio Bonucci etc.All of the had good game but not their best.

Marchisio was far from average lol, he was up there with Italy's best performers.

Personally though he was up there with Pirlo and DDR and definitely was better than Chiellini.

He was consistently the driving force for Italy's midfield and didnt give Xavi a moments rest and in my mind got the better of him on the day and that run that lead to that shot near the end was fantastic and if he did score instead of hitting it straight at Casillas it probably would have gone down as goal of the tournament it was that good.

You could easily put a case for him as Italy's best player, he was fantastic.

Marchisio was static save for one or two occasions over the course of the 90 minutes where he created some magic. Nothing too good, but nothing at all bad. Just a solid outing; nothing more, nothing less.

DDR the GOAT

justdoit_ wrote:Marchisio was static save for one or two occasions over the course of the 90 minutes where he created some magic. Nothing too good, but nothing at all bad. Just a solid outing; nothing more, nothing less.

Static isn't really the right word, only Giaccherini covered more ground for Italy, he pressed to good effect and won the ball high up the pitch on numerous occasions. His two efforts on goal were the most any one Italy player mustered.

He didn't dominate the centre of the field with any arrogant swagger, but to be honest he never does, that's not his strength. He is a very clever player, defends space well, skillfull, gets forward well, passes well and doesn't put a foot wrong.

Not sure I agree to be honest, but according to Uefa's Castrol Rakings he was even (statistically) the most effective CM on the pitch...

Had those two excellent efforts gone in he would certainly be GOATchisio right now, but even so decent game from him, only De Rossi was better for Italy IMHO.

pUsHa wrote:You guys are just a bunch of fking retards lol .... What did Torres do wrong lol !?!?!?!? First ocassion Buffon did a wonderful job and didnt fall on the ground like any other goalie would do .... and the second chance was that chip ... he had two defenders in his face and Buffon was coming out of the goal , he did great taking down one defender to create that chip wich was a little bit unlucky .... would Negredo and Lorrente come in and create those chances themselves or would they expect to get served , ffs the hate with torres is strong here .

I feel you bro, can't believe people are blasting Torres' performance. His star quality is back, turn Spain's game up a notch when he came on. Just need to find his finishing touch. If he had scored that chip, people will be saying "what a finish, a performance of a world class striker, all that shit"

Cesc was terrible. The goal doesn't disprove that. Yes, he was played out of position. But, his touches are average at best, even Arbeloa looks more comfortable on the ball. Can't make a short pass without the ball bouncing on the pitch like a stone skipping on surface of the water. So called world class passer. Don't think he should be a starter for Barca ad don't think he's good enough for Spain.

Torres play well and really changed the game for Spain when he and Navas came on and I don't blame him for the two shots. One chance was a brilliant save from Buffon the other hard as he had two defenders on him and the keeper coming up, the only thing he could do is chip it which was a surprise and he also managed to get away from one of the defenders which is very unlike Torres.

Spain to miss the cut?

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Spain to miss the cut?

Only if Trap pulled Ireland head out of their own asses and played with pride.

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Spain to miss the cut?

If we lose to Croatia we are done. Its vital. Ireland had a poor showing today, but I cant see us taking three points from Trapattoni.

narbeZ wrote:

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Spain to miss the cut?

If we lose to Croatia we are done. Its vital. Ireland had a poor showing today, but I cant see us taking three points from Trapattoni.

If Ireland are that bad, we can beat them easily. I'm scared of Trap too, but fortunately he's on the touchline and not on the field. The Irish players really let him down. Croatia are still fragile in defence, but I'm more worried about them than Ireland now.

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He had a good game and his link up play with Silva was really good. I also thought Xavi had a good game as well

Marchisio had an amazing game, one of the best on the pitch along with Pirlo, Iniesta, and Buffon.


And I don't understand why people are lauding Torres' performance. He didn't play well at all. He was brought in to score goals, and he was in the perfect scoring position twice. On the first chance, he took way too many touches, should've finished it. For the second chance, that chip was unnecessary, he had Navas completely open right next to him but he decides to try an easy chip which he failed to score.

7amood11 wrote:For the second chance, that chip was unnecessary, he had Navas completely open right next to him but he decides to try an easy chip which he failed to score.

Buffon hypnotized him. There was nothing he could do

This was a great game, the best game of the Euros so far.

Man Of The Match was De Rossi, he was a beast today. In the first half, Italy had the better chances, in the second half it was Spain. Di Natale should start from now on, Balotelli lacks composure which is understandable since he's young. His flair would be best used as a supersub. Cassano was the best attacker of the game in the 1st half, he created great chances for Marchisio and Motta and put a shot himself wide. His movement was superb. I noticed it was after his substitution that Italy's chances drastically decreased. He made the attack click. Balotelli did great work in making Ramos lose the ball but he totally lost composure in front of goal. Di Natale is the finisher that Italy needs. Balotelli showed good understanding with Cassano but Toto is the person who can bury the chances fed by Cassano and Pirlo. Pirlo was the man, that through ball to Di Natale was just perfect and his passing was imperious as usual. Marchisio also played good. Motta provided the necessary defensive steel in midfield and if it wasn't for Casillas, he would have scored. Giacherrini played reasonably well for his debut but the goal was his fault and also DDR's who was out of position. That was the one blemish on De Rossi's game. I was impressed by how accurate Italy's long balls were.

Busquets, Alonso, Ramos and Fabregas who apart from his goal did jackshit were all bad for Spain as everybody is saying. But I'm surprised no one mentioned their worst player which was Jordi Alba. He was roasted by Maggio and couldn't deal with Cassano at all, Ramos had to come out and help him out on a lot of occasions. On the first half, Italy clearly targeted him as weak link and attacked down the left. Maggio should have run at him more, he was too speedy for Alba. Arbeloa was copletely anonymous attacking, Xavi played his usual boss self. Ramos and Pique's partnership did not look very convincing and Busquets and Alonso were quite poor. Spain's best player was Iniesta, he was immense and Silva grabbed played ok, he made a great assist but otherwise was quite ineffective. Arbeloa was completely anonymous in attack. I don't know why people are bashing Torres so much, a lot of players played worse than him. It's not a coincidence that Spain created more oppurtunities with him on the field. His movement was that of a true 9. His first chance was missed due to great keeping from Buffon. Buffon is not Valdes, who comes up charging like a headless chicken. On the 2nd chance, that I admit he really should have passed to Navas. Buffon's excellent positioning made that a difficult scoring oppurtunity, and he really should have passed to Navas.


Well, it was a great game and Italy showed they have what it takes to go far in this competition. Spain showed why 4-6-0 should be scrapped in favour of a formation with a true 9. I don't get why Llorente is not playing, Soldado's exclusion was also a bad decision. I don't see Negredo being Spain's man against the likes of Italy, Germany or France.

Spain brought in a striker (torres) for a reason.

He was asked to lead line and score goals,Torres did the first one but was a disaster in the second.

Hard chances? are you kidding me?

He was all alone for the first chance but his first touch ruined the chance and buffon intercepted. Whose fault for a crap first touch ? TOrres.


Second chance hard? actually he shouldnt have tried hard. Why the fk he tried to lob over a Gk and 2 defenders in stead of passing it right next to Navas who was infront of open net because Buffon was out of position?

Those were probably best chance Espana had all day.

I agree with you one the 2nd chance, he really should have passed to Navas. But the 1st chance was good keeping from Buffon. His touch wasn't that bad and he had defenders crowding around him.

I feel his 1st touch was very good in the 1st chance. Problem is he did not want to shoot,he wanted to dribble around Buffon like against Valdes & I think Buffon read it & knew he would go wide & covered for it.

The 2nd one Navaz in on goal & despite Buffon's good positioning it was a very Convertable chance. I am saying this that Torres movement & speed & Christiano's finishing could beat Messi.

You have to give credit to Torres. He is just too quick & his dribbling & movement are pure awesome. Too bad his finishing is bad. But you could see the difference Torres makes,he brings a penetration in the final third,in chance of creating chances maybe not finishing them.

One of Biscuits & Alonso has to dropped for me. They are both playing way too deep & very similar somewhat

The second Spain stopped using that ridiculous 4-6-0 they started to dominate.

What i find really weird in this thread ,even though some very good analysis had been going on ,

is just how much the opinions on Torres differ . Half say he flopped , the other half say he was good .

It was a good start, niether loss or win. Hopefully mistakes will be picked out a better side will play a better game than what happened against Italy. Navas should start imo with Silva and Llorente upfront with Iniesta and Xavi in the middle in a 4-3-3 formation though if that doesn't happen then I don't know. I feel that having Busquests and Alonso deep is pointless and I feel they need more attacking flare. If people want to see the full potential of Xavi then have him in the middle with Iniesta and Spain will boss any team.

Spain used 6 midfielders to try and dominate Italy's midfield but Pirlo was too much for them