Is Cristiano Ronaldo the best & most complete player in the world?

billionmillion wrote:

paperbackwriter wrote:

billionmillion wrote:

stunt wrote:

billionmillion wrote:So shooting hard means you are most complete? its just one skill: shooting the ball (free kicks, penlties, screamers = shooting). what else skills he has so we can call him complete player?

Anyway congratulations for hat-trick

He's a good passer. Has about the same amount of assists as Messi on La Liga this season (Messi is a good passer right?).

Shoots well as you said.

His dribble is certainly above average.

He's fast. One of the fastest players with and without the ball (if not the fastest).

Has great positioning (that's why he scores so much tap ins).

He's tall and and can jump high so he's good at heading.

Can use both feet.

I don't see what he lacks? Sure he wastes shots at the goal and he misses 1v1s with the keeper frequently. But nobody's perfect.

How many assists CR have?
Messi playing only with his left foot scored 61 goals and around 30 assists. CR most complete player scored 52 goals and i think 15 assists. How he is most complete?

CR7 is as good away as home, with 50 % of his goals scored on both sides of the fence this season. Messi is less than half the player he's at the camp nou when playing away from home. How's that for most complete?

Ronaldo: 20 goals home, 20 goals away.
Messi: 28 goals at home, 11 away.

Who cares about la liga, you must include CL goals too. when messi really cares he plays at full strength and scores a lot. thats why he CL top scorer 4 season is a row. In la liga he just rests - he doesnt even run


Anyway Messi is more complete forward.

His acceleration>CR acceleration
His agility>CR agility
His running with the ball>>>>CR running with the ball (specially in tight places)
His dribbling>>CR dribbling
His decision making at scoring>CR's
His finishing abilities>CR

CR speed (long distance)>>Messi's (Not needed much. acceleration>speed any day)
CR shoot power>>Messi's (needed much, its truly one thing that CR is above messi)
CR heading>Messi's heading (just because CR is tall)

The only useful thing that CR is above Messi is shoot power

First of all, genius, its SHOT POWER, not shoot power, get a dictionary.
Acceleration > Speed? Maybe, sometimes. But honestly, ronaldo has just as much acceleration as messi, believe it or not.

Messi is just as good as a finisher as ronaldo.

Ok, since you listed things messis good at, and said ronaldo has "shoot power" only. Ronaldo has much better positioning, and no, he is not better just because he is taller, he jumps much higher and has a more powerful header.

Before the messi wankers come kill me I do think messi is better but honestly, not by as much as people make it.

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:wall of text

Because Ronaldo attributes are more suited to a team that doesnt control the game and because the other team is attacking he will have alot of space to work with. While messi truly shines when there is small spaces and the need for someone to pass the siege.

This is my view atleast, the weakest team ive seen messi in though is Arg which isnt a bad team at all.

CR shines in portugal? Messi nominated for Golden Ball in world cup. where was CR? i never seen CR shining in another team except R.Madrid. Dude in R.Madrid Higuain/Benz can score 50 goals if they play all matches and take all penalties, madrid score 4-5 goals very game

billionmillion wrote:

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:wall of text

Because Ronaldo attributes are more suited to a team that doesnt control the game and because the other team is attacking he will have alot of space to work with. While messi truly shines when there is small spaces and the need for someone to pass the siege.

This is my view atleast, the weakest team ive seen messi in though is Arg which isnt a bad team at all.

CR shines in portugal? Messi nominated for Golden Ball in world cup. where was CR? i never seen CR shining in another team except R.Madrid. Dude in R.Madrid Higuain/Benz can score 50 goals if they play all matches and take all penalties, madrid score 4-5 goals very game

Lol, have you seen how many sitters benguain miss?

Ronaldo is the main penalty taker. Why when sanchez gets clipped, he doesn't take the penalty? And its fine if messi does it. But when ronaldo does it, it's horrible.

Hypocrite.

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:wall of text

Because Ronaldo attributes are more suited to a team that doesnt control the game and because the other team is attacking he will have alot of space to work with. While messi truly shines when there is small spaces and the need for someone to pass the siege.

This is my view atleast, the weakest team ive seen messi in though is Arg which isnt a bad team at all.

no.in my opinion see ,Argentina as a reference without messi their team will loose most of the creativity..
di maria is great but his decision making is bad,aguero the only player who is good..higi need is not creative
enough...their midfield is not good, defense sucks...

how is this, messi can produce defense spitting pass, he is more creative player, not to mention he has great
decision making ability..messi perform better than ronaldo for Argentina than ronado does for Portugal..
And it is what i can see when they play for others team apart from real or barca..

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:wall of text

Because Ronaldo attributes are more suited to a team that doesnt control the game and because the other team is attacking he will have alot of space to work with. While messi truly shines when there is small spaces and the need for someone to pass the siege.

This is my view atleast, the weakest team ive seen messi in though is Arg which isnt a bad team at all.

CR shines in portugal? Messi nominated for Golden Ball in world cup. where was CR? i never seen CR shining in another team except R.Madrid. Dude in R.Madrid Higuain/Benz can score 50 goals if they play all matches and take all penalties, madrid score 4-5 goals very game[/quote]
Have you forgotten about Yanited? He excelled there and that was of course in a different league

Giggity5313 wrote:

billionmillion wrote:

paperbackwriter wrote:

billionmillion wrote:

stunt wrote:

billionmillion wrote:So shooting hard means you are most complete? its just one skill: shooting the ball (free kicks, penlties, screamers = shooting). what else skills he has so we can call him complete player?

Anyway congratulations for hat-trick

He's a good passer. Has about the same amount of assists as Messi on La Liga this season (Messi is a good passer right?).

Shoots well as you said.

His dribble is certainly above average.

He's fast. One of the fastest players with and without the ball (if not the fastest).

Has great positioning (that's why he scores so much tap ins).

He's tall and and can jump high so he's good at heading.

Can use both feet.

I don't see what he lacks? Sure he wastes shots at the goal and he misses 1v1s with the keeper frequently. But nobody's perfect.

How many assists CR have?
Messi playing only with his left foot scored 61 goals and around 30 assists. CR most complete player scored 52 goals and i think 15 assists. How he is most complete?

CR7 is as good away as home, with 50 % of his goals scored on both sides of the fence this season. Messi is less than half the player he's at the camp nou when playing away from home. How's that for most complete?

Ronaldo: 20 goals home, 20 goals away.
Messi: 28 goals at home, 11 away.

Who cares about la liga, you must include CL goals too. when messi really cares he plays at full strength and scores a lot. thats why he CL top scorer 4 season is a row. In la liga he just rests - he doesnt even run


Anyway Messi is more complete forward.

His acceleration>CR acceleration
His agility>CR agility
His running with the ball>>>>CR running with the ball (specially in tight places)
His dribbling>>CR dribbling
His decision making at scoring>CR's
His finishing abilities>CR

CR speed (long distance)>>Messi's (Not needed much. acceleration>speed any day)
CR shoot power>>Messi's (needed much, its truly one thing that CR is above messi)
CR heading>Messi's heading (just because CR is tall)

The only useful thing that CR is above Messi is shoot power

First of all, genius, its SHOT POWER, not shoot power, get a dictionary.
Acceleration > Speed? Maybe, sometimes. But honestly, ronaldo has just as much acceleration as messi, believe it or not.

Messi is just as good as a finisher as ronaldo.

Ok, since you listed things messis good at, and said ronaldo has "shoot power" only. Ronaldo has much better positioning, and no, he is not better just because he is taller, he jumps much higher and has a more powerful header.

Before the messi wankers come kill me I do think messi is better but honestly, not by as much as people make it.

Let CR learn how to touch the ball then we can discuss if he is in messi's level or not. Just look at his touch..bad touch ruined the chance then he dived


It happened against barca 2 times you remember? CR ruined his chance because of bad first touch. he can be complete in a computer game but when it comes to reality he not in messi's level as a footballer

Messi provides more on the ball than Ronaldo. Technique wise, Messi is the better player too.

mtfootball wrote:Messi provides more on the ball than Ronaldo. Technique wise, Messi is the better player too.

exactly..

United was his home. In madrid every good player would shine. look at di maria, benzema and ozil. They became better player. Does it mean that ozil di maria and benzema prove themselves in 2 clubs?

Messi also would shine in R.Madrid. They are great team and they create 20 chances every game, not so difficult to score. Let him shine in portugal

Last thing, all most always Technique will win against physical strength in
football.And great football pundit and player said that..

Technique>Physic any time. thats why messi shines every week, CR makes headlines once in a 2 months

Can I say something really bold here without getting mauled to death?

I think Ronaldo is a good player.

Kev wrote:Can I say something really bold here without getting mauled to death?

I think Ronaldo is a good player.

And you are correct.

Wow I did not see the incoming CR vs Messi argument with this thread.

Messi's the better player, period. Everyone knows it. Anyone here debating it is out of their mind and that's why I will just leave this here and never respond to this thread again.

Beautiful Football wrote:Last thing, all most always Technique will win against physical strength in
football.And great football pundit and player said that..

If you think athleticism is not important then you have no idea.

So why don't freestylers play football?

Beautiful Football wrote:

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:wall of text

Because Ronaldo attributes are more suited to a team that doesnt control the game and because the other team is attacking he will have alot of space to work with. While messi truly shines when there is small spaces and the need for someone to pass the siege.

This is my view atleast, the weakest team ive seen messi in though is Arg which isnt a bad team at all.

no.in my opinion see ,Argentina as a reference without messi their team will loose most of the creativity..
di maria is great but his decision making is bad,aguero the only player who is good..higi need is not creative
enough...their midfield is not good, defense sucks...

how is this, messi can produce defense spitting pass, he is more creative player, not to mention he has great
decision making ability..messi perform better than ronaldo for Argentina than ronado does for Portugal..
And it is what i can see when they play for others team apart from real or barca..

This guy is like the new BarcaLearning, except with even more atrocious sentence structure and spoon-fed opinions.

Giggity5313 wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:Last thing, all most always Technique will win against physical strength in
football.And great football pundit and player said that..

If you think athleticism is not important then you have no idea.

So why don't freestylers play football?

some random tricks and actual football Technique is different in my book..

i never said athleticism is not important..of course it is important..my opinion is if a player is super athletic and good technical and other one is super technical and good athletic.later one is the winner.

billionmillion wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

billionmillion wrote:

paperbackwriter wrote:

billionmillion wrote:

stunt wrote:

billionmillion wrote:So shooting hard means you are most complete? its just one skill: shooting the ball (free kicks, penlties, screamers = shooting). what else skills he has so we can call him complete player?

Anyway congratulations for hat-trick

He's a good passer. Has about the same amount of assists as Messi on La Liga this season (Messi is a good passer right?).

Shoots well as you said.

His dribble is certainly above average.

He's fast. One of the fastest players with and without the ball (if not the fastest).

Has great positioning (that's why he scores so much tap ins).

He's tall and and can jump high so he's good at heading.

Can use both feet.

I don't see what he lacks? Sure he wastes shots at the goal and he misses 1v1s with the keeper frequently. But nobody's perfect.

How many assists CR have?
Messi playing only with his left foot scored 61 goals and around 30 assists. CR most complete player scored 52 goals and i think 15 assists. How he is most complete?

CR7 is as good away as home, with 50 % of his goals scored on both sides of the fence this season. Messi is less than half the player he's at the camp nou when playing away from home. How's that for most complete?

Ronaldo: 20 goals home, 20 goals away.
Messi: 28 goals at home, 11 away.

Who cares about la liga, you must include CL goals too. when messi really cares he plays at full strength and scores a lot. thats why he CL top scorer 4 season is a row. In la liga he just rests - he doesnt even run


Anyway Messi is more complete forward.

His acceleration>CR acceleration
His agility>CR agility
His running with the ball>>>>CR running with the ball (specially in tight places)
His dribbling>>CR dribbling
His decision making at scoring>CR's
His finishing abilities>CR

CR speed (long distance)>>Messi's (Not needed much. acceleration>speed any day)
CR shoot power>>Messi's (needed much, its truly one thing that CR is above messi)
CR heading>Messi's heading (just because CR is tall)

The only useful thing that CR is above Messi is shoot power

First of all, genius, its SHOT POWER, not shoot power, get a dictionary.
Acceleration > Speed? Maybe, sometimes. But honestly, ronaldo has just as much acceleration as messi, believe it or not.

Messi is just as good as a finisher as ronaldo.

Ok, since you listed things messis good at, and said ronaldo has "shoot power" only. Ronaldo has much better positioning, and no, he is not better just because he is taller, he jumps much higher and has a more powerful header.

Before the messi wankers come kill me I do think messi is better but honestly, not by as much as people make it.

Let CR learn how to touch the ball then we can discuss if he is in messi's level or not. Just look at his touch..bad touch ruined the chance then he dived


It happened against barca 2 times you remember? CR ruined his chance because of bad first touch. he can be complete in a computer game but when it comes to reality he not in messi's level as a footballer

I never said ronaldo was better then messi. Honestly, how high are your reading comprehension skills? Are you still in english 1?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p8_MwpsKkI&feature=related

Messi is obviously not bad at freekicks. But yet, he has had some horrible ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnHBH3-VRs

Messi can trap the ball great. But this was pretty bad obviously..

Heres another example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQBmV9DRmsU

I understand messis touch is godly and all that. But he didn't show it here.

Now stop spewing bullshit and go back in your moms basement, with your messi magazine.

Beautiful Football wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:Last thing, all most always Technique will win against physical strength in
football.And great football pundit and player said that..

If you think athleticism is not important then you have no idea.

So why don't freestylers play football?

some random tricks and actual football Technique is different in my book..

i never said athleticism is not important..of course it is important..my opinion is if a player is super athletic and good technical and other one is super technical and good athletic.later one is the winner.

You don't get it. The 2 go hand in hand. Athleticism is not just being strong. Its having acceleration, balance, as well, all physical traits. Trust me, messi is an amazing athlete, I don't get why people underrate him in this respect.

Wankfest because he finally hit some freekicks on target?

Chill down, boys.

Yes, he's a great player but Messi still owns him in most categories. Even in goalscoring which was Ronaldo's supposed advantage.

Beautiful Football wrote:

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

Beautiful Football wrote:wall of text

Because Ronaldo attributes are more suited to a team that doesnt control the game and because the other team is attacking he will have alot of space to work with. While messi truly shines when there is small spaces and the need for someone to pass the siege.

This is my view atleast, the weakest team ive seen messi in though is Arg which isnt a bad team at all.

no.in my opinion see ,Argentina as a reference without messi their team will loose most of the creativity..
di maria is great but his decision making is bad,aguero the only player who is good..higi need is not creative
enough...their midfield is not good, defense sucks...

how is this, messi can produce defense spitting pass, he is more creative player, not to mention he has great
decision making ability..messi perform better than ronaldo for Argentina than ronado does for Portugal..
And it is what i can see when they play for others team apart from real or barca..

I dont know man, when you cant control midfield I think Ronnie is better suited, you can long ball it to him or he can just run with it and he can take better FKs. Messi is def the better player technique wise, I just feel that if he isnt in the tiki taka system alot of his attributes are lost as he doesnt have small spaces to play through, much players around to be creative or the speed to run half way through the pitch. He is just splendid at breaking those walls of defenders. However, Ive seen ronnie in 4 teams, he has done well in 3 of them and none of those teams has had to practice a special type of football.

I think we can all agree that possession teams are much better skilled and rarer than counterattacking teams, I think messi does better in the former while cris does better in the latter.

Sushi Master wrote:Wankfest because he finally hit some freekicks on target?

Chill down, boys.

Yes, he's a great player but Messi still owns him in most categories. Even in goalscoring which was Ronaldo's supposed advantage.

Billionmillion is acting like huntellar would be better.
No, seriously.

Sushi Master wrote:Wankfest because he finally hit some freekicks on target?

Chill down, boys.

Yes, he's a great player but Messi still owns him in most categories. Even in goalscoring which was Ronaldo's supposed advantage.

Beautiful Football wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Wankfest because he finally hit some freekicks on target?

Chill down, boys.

Yes, he's a great player but Messi still owns him in most categories. Even in goalscoring which was Ronaldo's supposed advantage.

no one's arguing that like I said. It's just when people underrate him to unbelivable proportions.

Both Ronaldo and Messi are fantastic players so lets enjoy their football.

By the way, Ronaldo and Messi have one thing in common...they are national team flops :bball: