Ibra sheds tears

Le Samourai wrote:No tackles, just random shoves , arm pulling and body pulling from various Barca CBS over both legs (in one case climbing on and dry humping by Mascherano).

According to the so called rules they are all penalties.

TBF Sunderland got a penalty against us for something very similar a few weeks ago, it is in the rules its just the refs are not consistent so when it does happen it causes uproar.

Never a penalty btw for me.

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:

the sanchez one was not a penalty. Its a foul if the keeper takes the player out, it is not a foul if the player run into the goal keeper - looking for a foul -, i would say it was more the latter than the former although its not entirely clear. It was in no way "stonewall". smh at this barca generation when one small contact = FOUL/PENALTY/RED CARD/HOLDS FACE, some of the time they are actively looking for contact

I would agree with you in theory, except, i have seen those type of penalties given. With most of the people talking about referee standards and how shirt pulling in corners should be called, then the Sanchez one should be called.

kiranr wrote:

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:

the sanchez one was not a penalty. Its a foul if the keeper takes the player out, it is not a foul if the player run into the goal keeper - looking for a foul -, i would say it was more the latter than the former although its not entirely clear. It was in no way "stonewall". smh at this barca generation when one small contact = FOUL/PENALTY/RED CARD/HOLDS FACE, some of the time they are actively looking for contact

I would agree with you in theory, except, i have seen those type of penalties given. With most of the people talking about referee standards and how shirt pulling in corners should be called, then the Sanchez one should be called.

Well i think people have to be clear on something. Do you give a pen based on the rulebook? Or what is generally given or not given? See you say that although penalties are usually not given for shirt pulling, it is in the rulebook that if you pull a shirt, it's an instant penalty. But then you say that the Sanchez incident should've been called because these type of penalties have been given before (and they have). So i think we gotta go with one. Do we go by rulebook, or by by general conception? Or can we be flexible?

To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

The Verminator wrote:Well i think people have to be clear on something. Do you give a pen based on the rulebook? Or what is generally given or not given? See you say that although penalties are usually not given for shirt pulling, it is in the rulebook that if you pull a shirt, it's an instant penalty. But then you say that the Sanchez incident should've been called because these type of penalties have been given before (and they have). So i think we gotta go with one. Do we go by rulebook, or by by general conception? Or can we be flexible?

Well, it is the ambiguities that irk me. I felt bad about the penalty in this game because it is usually not called. But i felt the Sanchez one should have been called, because i have seen it happen a number of times.

So, if the rule implementation is standardized, then i would have no problem at all.

Barrettinator wrote:To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

I have seen Chelsea being given dubious penalties two games in a row against Manchester United. Not to mention to play-acting by Drogba winning you penalties freekicks etc. Is it a coincidence? How many times will your team get such soft calls? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

Barrettinator wrote:To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

Exactly.

I really think they should re-write the rule on the shirt pulling. Some refs do give a pen, some refs don't, and unfortunately some refs can get called out for it when a pen is or isn't given...it can be a tough decision for a ref but there is one thing that is clear to me. If the tussling is going on before the corner is taken and the ref can see it or the linesman, then the tussling must be stopped before the corner, or the corner must be re-taken. That's my view on this rule...

Of course its not a cooincdence.

Burthurt fans are burthurt.

Barrettinator wrote:To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

Are you suggesting there's indeed a conspiracy? Barca being mightier than Milan/Chelsea/Madrid etc?

kiranr wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

I have seen Chelsea being given dubious penalties two games in a row against Manchester United. Not to mention to play-acting by Drogba winning you penalties freekicks etc. Is it a coincidence? How many times will your team get such soft calls? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

Show me a video of Drogba's play acting that led to a penalty or a game changing decision. I'll wait.

And what dubious penalties have we gotten against United? Don't you mean it the other way round? Are you just trying to look for something to say just to get back at me because you can't answer my question?

Please stop. Its making you sound like a bell end.

InterMalia wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

Are you suggesting there's indeed a conspiracy? Barca being mightier than Milan/Chelsea/Madrid etc?

Barrettinator wrote:To the Barca fans always in denial, is it a coincidence that EVERY TIME the going gets tough for Barca/they are under pressure/can't seem to crack a shell they get a decision in their favour? Is it a coincidence? How many times has this happened now? Hasn't it happened far too many times to be a coincidence?

This ^

Barrettinator wrote:
Show me a video of Drogba's play acting that led to a penalty or a game changing decision. I'll wait.

And what dubious penalties have we gotten against United? Don't you mean it the other way round? Are you just trying to look for something to say just to get back at me because you can't answer my question?

Please stop. Its making you sound like a bell end.

Dont have to show you anything and i am not saying this only about Chelsea. Every team in the world gets decisions for them in matches that allow them to win the league or the CL. It is obvious when you have a subjective implementation of the rules.

But to say that there is a conspiracy, now that makes you sound like a bellend.

Say something logical instead of I asked you a simple question.

How could a team that is one of the elite teams have more power than the rest?

InterMalia wrote:Say something logical instead of I asked you a simple question.

How could a team that is one of the elite teams have more power than the rest?

If we all knew the answer to that, this thread will not exist. Thank you, Charlie.

kiranr wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:
Show me a video of Drogba's play acting that led to a penalty or a game changing decision. I'll wait.

And what dubious penalties have we gotten against United? Don't you mean it the other way round? Are you just trying to look for something to say just to get back at me because you can't answer my question?

Please stop. Its making you sound like a bell end.

Dont have to show you anything and i am not saying this only about Chelsea. Every team in the world gets decisions for them in matches that allow them to win the league or the CL. It is obvious when you have a subjective implementation of the rules.

But to say that there is a conspiracy, now that makes you sound like a bellend.

I asked a question in one direction and you took it and threw it in the extreme end. Wow! Nice job!

Meh, not going to argue with you over such trivial details. You knew what you were doing.

kiranr wrote:
Meh, not going to argue with you over such trivial details. You knew what you were doing.

Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

Barrettinator wrote:
Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

Well, the pattern is emerging only because Barcelona have been winning all these years. At the end of the day, every team gets decisions for them, but only the winning team will be remembered for it. The decisions for the losing team will be forgotten.

Barcelona have reached the semifinal five years in a row now. So, obviously the decisions that went for them are going to stand out and hence all this talk of patterns, not-coincidences etc.

Pep nailed it

kiranr wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:
Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

Well, the pattern is emerging only because Barcelona have been winning all these years. At the end of the day, every team gets decisions for them, but only the winning team will be remembered for it. The decisions for the losing team will be forgotten.

Barcelona have reached the semifinal five years in a row now. So, obviously the decisions that went for them are going to stand out and hence all this talk of patterns, not-coincidences etc.

It is amazing how calls get called FOR them every time they are under pressure, that is all. They have never gotten a call AGAINST in these situations.

Barrettinator wrote:

kiranr wrote:
Meh, not going to argue with you over such trivial details. You knew what you were doing.

Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

To back up Kiranr's point.

It's since then that Barcelona have endured probably the most success they've achieved in the history of the club. Maybe that's stretching it, but it's certainly up there.

kiranr wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:
Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

Well, the pattern is emerging only because Barcelona have been winning all these years. At the end of the day, every team gets decisions for them, but only the winning team will be remembered for it. The decisions for the losing team will be forgotten.

Barcelona have reached the semifinal five years in a row now. So, obviously the decisions that went for them are going to stand out and hence all this talk of patterns, not-coincidences etc.

Take Chelsea for example. Barcelona do NOT reach the final if at least ONE of those blatant penalty calls(especially the handball) was given in favour of Barcelona.
If it were a crucial 2nd leg tie and Barcelona were in Chelsea's position, they would have gotten 1 or 2 penalties that night without a doubt.

Milan31 wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:
Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

Well, the pattern is emerging only because Barcelona have been winning all these years. At the end of the day, every team gets decisions for them, but only the winning team will be remembered for it. The decisions for the losing team will be forgotten.

Barcelona have reached the semifinal five years in a row now. So, obviously the decisions that went for them are going to stand out and hence all this talk of patterns, not-coincidences etc.

It is amazing how calls get called FOR them every time they are under pressure, that is all. They have never gotten a call AGAINST in these situations.

Last week Abbiatti against Alexis? Our second goal vs Arsenal at the emirates chalked off unfairly? Getafe player blocking the ball with his hand suarez style in front of the goal in the last minutes this season? Abidal getting sent off vs Chelsea?

Yeah we NEVER get a call against us.

Albiceleste wrote:

Milan31 wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:
Nope. Its a simple question and this dates back to when Shevchenko's goal was cancelled for whatever phantom reason a couple of years back.

Well, the pattern is emerging only because Barcelona have been winning all these years. At the end of the day, every team gets decisions for them, but only the winning team will be remembered for it. The decisions for the losing team will be forgotten.

Barcelona have reached the semifinal five years in a row now. So, obviously the decisions that went for them are going to stand out and hence all this talk of patterns, not-coincidences etc.

It is amazing how calls get called FOR them every time they are under pressure, that is all. They have never gotten a call AGAINST in these situations.

Last week Abbiatti against Alexis? Our second goal vs Arsenal at the emirates chalked off unfairly? Getafe player blocking the ball with his hand suarez style in front of the goal in the last minutes this season? Abidal getting sent off vs Chelsea?

Yeah we NEVER get a call against us.

Notice how all of those calls happened in the 1st leg or in a situation where there is less pressure? Name one of those calls that have gone against Barca when a tie is at the tail end and there is real pressure all around.