Why Israel didn't sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?

RealGunner wrote:I am not into the Sub continent Rivalry, Have a lot of mates from Pakistan and India though. never heard anything about the Terrorist thing


The above links are both from Indian Media. I'll look for some neutral sites on this topic. Thanks anyways

Same articles from a neutral sources.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/world/asia/24headley.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10095936

and Btw there are many Foreign entites that have holds in Pakistan and the Indian RAW is one of them mainly in Balochistan...helping some of the leaders rebel aganist Pakistan and get Independence.... like they did in East Pakistan(Bangledesh).

More like stopped a genocide from happening in Bangaldesh.

And any neutral sources to show Indian involvement in Baluchistan?

BeautifulGame wrote:

and Btw there are many Foreign entites that have holds in Pakistan and the Indian RAW is one of them mainly in Balochistan...helping some of the leaders rebel aganist Pakistan and get Independence.... like they did in East Pakistan(Bangledesh).

More like stopped a genocide from happening in Bangaldesh.

And any neutral sources to show Indian involvement in Baluchistan?

The Balochi exiled Leaders themselves who still have alot of powers there...

btw even before the genocide happened... India was fully backing East Pakistan, with weapons and training of the Bangladeshi guerrilla force

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-india-mumbai-attacks


and lets not forget India has major influence in Afghanistan too... with many indian companies with contract to varies projects near the Borders of Afghanistan/Balochistan/Iran

Le Samourai wrote:The entire process of Israel's formation bothers me. They fought their wars sure....but why was this location even considered as site by the UN.

Ancestry?-give me a break
Religion ?
Hitler?

These wars begun after the 2nd world war.They're an anomaly, that persisted during the process of decolonisation.

Would Israel have won the wars without UN support and why did they have UN support in the first place?

You can't simply take a portion of a countries land without expecting retaliation.I mean....how does an International organisation do that....what gives them the right to authorise Israel occupation

When the 2nd World War ended , the most valuable lesson learned was that appeasement is the worst route possible in promoting peace.So why in gods name did a mere 3 years later (and from then onwards) has all interaction with Israel by international powers been met with appeasement?.It's unbelievably easy to mirror the extended History of Israel to that of the short history of Nazi Germany , yet no one can be bothered to do anything about it.

When the UN and the British mandated this, they had to know exactly what was going to happen .

The worst part is .....there was land all over the world where and Israeli state could've been built.But who cares ? Avoiding 50 years of warfare was not as important as some passage in the Torah 's dictation of the anno domingo political and geographical Borders. Promised land....It could've been anywhere....and they went ahead and tried to cram it into rhe middle
Eastern equivalent of the Balkans.

Grande UN
Grande.

Josh, I'm confused... are you under the impression that the United Nations decided on an arbitrary location, and stripped the country possessing rights to the land without any consideration? There was no country in that area at the time, there was the British mandate, and the Brits agreed to the partition plan. The partition plan itself was brought up because of the actions of Jews (and Arabs in other areas of the British mandate, which was far larger than just modern-day Israel/Jordan) demanding independence from a foreign government. You want to get into the right or wrong of those actions, cool. And if you want to get into the right or wrong of the Brits giving it to the Jews rather than the Arabs, also cool. But if you think there was an Arab state present in the area that was taken away by the United Nations and handed to incoming Zionists, then you've gotta do a little more research. The political ownership of the land hadn't rested with people who lived there since the Ottomans (and even that's pretty debateable, most reports say that they avoided spending any time in Palestine while they were in control). You'd have to go back to before the Roman Empire to find a time when the residents of the area actually controlled the politics; nobody had their sovereignty taken from them.

Also, I don't get offended by much, but the systematic murder of 12 million people in camps dedicated to their deaths is nowhere near comparable to the loss of life and freedom the Palestinians have suffered. Are there things the Israeli government does terribly to the Palestinians, including unnecessary civilian deaths and restriction of basic rights? Absolutely. But the word "genocide" should not be mentioned in this discussion, and comparisons to the Holocaust should not be brought up, not until an actual extermination begins

Crocodile tears, cry me some more ! seriously, for how long will you people be using this Holocaust excuse to justify murdering and displacing innocent people ? you are stripped of humanity ! and yes the palestinian holocaust is comparable in every aspect to the jewish one, rnt palestinians being kept in concentration camps and are being murdered systamatically or what do you call Gaza ? rnt they discriminated against ? rnt they considered inferior ? displaced and thrown out of their country ? their property confescated and their houses brough to the ground, hell this is worse than your holocaust so dont give me this bullshit anymore and stop decieving yourself


as for the laughable first part of your post, didnt you know that there was no political egypt or syria or any other arab country before the british left ? all these "countries" were under the rule of the othmans and palestine was no exception. There was no state called palestine but sure as hell there was palestinians (in before palestinians are invented people) the fact that the people you killed and displaced were never given a chance to rule themselves doesnt change the fact that they own the land they lived on.

stevieg8 wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:The entire process of Israel's formation bothers me. They fought their wars sure....but why was this location even considered as site by the UN.

Ancestry?-give me a break
Religion ?
Hitler?

These wars begun after the 2nd world war.They're an anomaly, that persisted during the process of decolonisation.

Would Israel have won the wars without UN support and why did they have UN support in the first place?

You can't simply take a portion of a countries land without expecting retaliation.I mean....how does an International organisation do that....what gives them the right to authorise Israel occupation

When the 2nd World War ended , the most valuable lesson learned was that appeasement is the worst route possible in promoting peace.So why in gods name did a mere 3 years later (and from then onwards) has all interaction with Israel by international powers been met with appeasement?.It's unbelievably easy to mirror the extended History of Israel to that of the short history of Nazi Germany , yet no one can be bothered to do anything about it.

When the UN and the British mandated this, they had to know exactly what was going to happen .

The worst part is .....there was land all over the world where and Israeli state could've been built.But who cares ? Avoiding 50 years of warfare was not as important as some passage in the Torah 's dictation of the anno domingo political and geographical Borders. Promised land....It could've been anywhere....and they went ahead and tried to cram it into rhe middle
Eastern equivalent of the Balkans.

Grande UN
Grande.

Josh, I'm confused... are you under the impression that the United Nations decided on an arbitrary location, and stripped the country possessing rights to the land without any consideration? There was no country in that area at the time, there was the British mandate, and the Brits agreed to the partition plan. The partition plan itself was brought up because of the actions of Jews (and Arabs in other areas of the British mandate, which was far larger than just modern-day Israel/Jordan) demanding independence from a foreign government. You want to get into the right or wrong of those actions, cool. And if you want to get into the right or wrong of the Brits giving it to the Jews rather than the Arabs, also cool. But if you think there was an Arab state present in the area that was taken away by the United Nations and handed to incoming Zionists, then you've gotta do a little more research. The political ownership of the land hadn't rested with people who lived there since the Ottomans (and even that's pretty debateable, most reports say that they avoided spending any time in Palestine while they were in control). You'd have to go back to before the Roman Empire to find a time when the residents of the area actually controlled the politics; nobody had their sovereignty taken from them.

Also, I don't get offended by much, but the systematic murder of 12 million people in camps dedicated to their deaths is nowhere near comparable to the loss of life and freedom the Palestinians have suffered. Are there things the Israeli government does terribly to the Palestinians, including unnecessary civilian deaths and restriction of basic rights? Absolutely. But the word "genocide" should not be mentioned in this discussion, and comparisons to the Holocaust should not be brought up, not until an actual extermination begins

gen·o·cide   [jen-uh-sahyd]
noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

If you think genocide hasn't been happening over there then you are very ignorant about this conflict.