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Post by RealGunner Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:40 pm

would u start Sanchez or Pedro dnmac ?

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:45 pm

I personally would start Sanchez and Pedro.......

Villa's form is so awful iam not sure he can be trusted and Pedro's movement and finishing has always caused Madrid problems.

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You were faves before the 6-2 i remember lol everyone was talking about you and your 16 game winning run lol.


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Post by RealGunner Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:46 pm

Villa is a big game player though
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:49 pm

RealGunner wrote:Villa is a big game player though

That's true hmm
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Post by billy_gr Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:49 pm

Villa over Pedro anytime.
It’s not like Pedro is on a roll right now anyway.

Villa is more experienced and he is a big game performer
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Post by DV7 Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:56 pm

Good to see that Pique can play the match Very Happy

As for our forward line, I would like to see Villa-Messi-Sanchez / Sanchez-Villa-Messi.

If one of Alexis or Villa are playing bad, Pedro could get a shot in the 2nd half.

4-3-3 is the way to go as always. And in case of a parked bus, I hope that Pep does the same thing as last time in the CL(?) - keep the ball, if they refuse to come up and press, then dont attack. But now, we are like in no position in do that and Mou can defend all he wants because he is the leader atm with 6 points...
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:11 pm

We'll never park the bus unless we're winning and there's 20 mins or less to go... then we may.

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Post by Doc Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:35 pm

I honestly could see Barcelona taking the lead through Messi (who else would it be really) and Madrid equalising somewhere in the 50th minute through a corner defended poorly by Pique and probably Mascherano.

Barcelona would have 2 penalty claims turn down as well with one actually being worthy of a penalty. Both would involve Messi (who else would it involve honestly).
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Post by billy_gr Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:36 pm

Yeah I expect Madrid to constantly press.
Seeing as their players seem to be fitter right now and their FWs in great form if Mou decides to park the bus it will be first class failed decision.
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Post by billy_gr Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:37 pm

I’m willing to bet good money that we’ll concede one from a corner kick
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Post by guest7 Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:46 pm

Someone bring the statistics of how many we score from FKs and corners. I've noticed we score there alot

Also personally I think we will line up a 4-3-3 with di maria deep, I think he played as a CM last clasico and in my opinion CM Di maria > winger Di Maria (although I prefer him as the hybrid he is now)
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:47 pm

We will line up with a 4231 on paper, but Di Maria will practically be playing as a RWB/RM ending up as a 433.

Barca with everyone fit will play the usual 433. Villa-Messi-Sanchez,

2-1 Real imo.
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Post by halamadrid2 Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:25 pm

TBH if Lass starts i dont think he will be told to play deep, lass is pretty good 1v1 and attacks very good stretching the field which arbeloa usually doesnt do

Marcelo on the other hand has dissapointed me since he came back from injury, ronaldo on his side isnt helping the matter either

If the team is as efficient as they are/were before this game you can gladly expect a 6 or more goal thriller

both teams will line- up with their usual line-ups i think, with alexis being the only exception, the only position thats up for grabs in our team is the CF position with both Benz and Higgy being in top form, God only knows what Mou has in mind

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Villa-Messi-Alexis
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expecting yet another victory for barca
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Post by Dnmac4 Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:29 pm

RealGunner wrote:would u start Sanchez or Pedro dnmac ?

Pedro all the way. He always plays well against Madrid and even if he's not scoring we need his directness and pace plus his hounding Madrid when we lose the ball.

Alexis I believe will be very good for us but I don't think he has any clue what he's stepping into and we just can't afford to have him getting used to the atmosphere and speed of the game for the first 30 minutes as we are in big trouble if Madrid scores first. I know he played in the Supercopa but this is different.

Barca and Spain have been missing an in form Pedro and IMO he's one of the best wingers in the world and quite frankly I'm tired of Pep trying to replace him.
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Post by Dnmac4 Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:37 pm

People who are saying that Sanchez will start just don't understand Pep. In "must win" games he goes with the same lineup pretty much every time (injuries and suspensions willing).

Also IMO a problem we have been having is that when we play Villa and Sanchez they both want to cut into the middle and it makes our play very narrow as Messi and Xavi like to occupy that space as well and we become very predictable.

Pedro is a true winger and he likes to stay out on the wing bombing up and down the sideline which stretches the defense and gives Messi, Xavi and Iniesta the room they need to go to work not to mention against Madrid he always seems to get on the end of a deflection or loose ball he's kind of like Chicharito in that aspect.
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Post by Tigole Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:40 pm

Personally, I would line up Coentrao instead of Khedira; as Khedira always gets owned by the quick barca midfielders and attackers.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:41 pm

I am not watching this game for fear of a heart attack, Somehow I have a feeling it will be 0-5 in madrid.
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Post by DV7 Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:44 pm

sportsczy wrote:We'll never park the bus unless we're winning and there's 20 mins or less to go... then we may.
Haha, well I sure hope you dont Smile

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RealGunner wrote:would u start Sanchez or Pedro dnmac ?

Pedro all the way. He always plays well against Madrid and even if he's not scoring we need his directness and pace plus his hounding Madrid when we lose the ball.

Alexis I believe will be very good for us but I don't think he has any clue what he's stepping into and we just can't afford to have him getting used to the atmosphere and speed of the game for the first 30 minutes as we are in big trouble if Madrid scores first. I know he played in the Supercopa but this is different.

Barca and Spain have been missing an in form Pedro and IMO he's one of the best wingers in the world and quite frankly I'm tired of Pep trying to replace him.

Dont you think that Alexis would be better considering his and Pedros form? And its not like Alexis is missing pace or directness. And imho Alexis is at least as good as Pedro tracking back and pressing to win the ball. The only thing Pedro is better on is finishing, which we havent seen that much of... And Pedro has not played good always vs Madrid. Maybe its just me having a bad memory, but in the CL away game vs Madrid he didnt do single sh!et, then Afellay came in and changed the whole game.

How do you mean by different between the Supercopa and the league clasico? I mean, he played a match against them and did really, really good and was also raping Marcelo. In fact, I think we need more of his dribbling skills than Pedro to create space.

Oh well, we'll see what Pep decides. I just hope he isnt stupid enough to play Keita from start LOL.


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Post by cyberman Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:45 pm

isnt there like a week before the game?
hilarious how unimportant tha other teams are in spain lol

might as well have made this thread 6 weeks ago

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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:45 pm

cyberman wrote:isnt there like a week before the game?
hilarious how unimportant tha other teams are in spain lol

might as well have made this thread 6 weeks ago

Sporting Gijon has been discussed for days.
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Post by Adit Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:47 pm

Hillarius how unimportant was Manu to Barca in CL finals,was just another levante to them.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:48 pm

Im with Cyber i dont get the excitement over this tbh, its going to be a boring 0-0 or 1-0 to either side anyways.......

If the other games are that unimportant to you why dont you just make this thread in August?
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Post by Adit Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:49 pm

Thread is made by a barca fan,they are so confident what can we do lol

Also this is a six pointer match,very very important for league..


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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:50 pm

Excitement has nothing to do with importance.
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:52 pm

omarish wrote:Someone bring the statistics of how many we score from FKs and corners. I've noticed we score there alot

Also personally I think we will line up a 4-3-3 with di maria deep, I think he played as a CM last clasico and in my opinion CM Di maria > winger Di Maria (although I prefer him as the hybrid he is now)

La Liga and UCL

25 from open play and 10 in the UCL
9 from fast breaks and 1 in the UCL
6 from set pieces (4th most in La Liga) and 3 in the UCL (equal 2nd most with Valencia and Napoli first with 4)
6 from penalties and 1 in the UCL
1 own goal in the UCL

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Post by Dnmac4 Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:01 pm

DV7 wrote:
sportsczy wrote:We'll never park the bus unless we're winning and there's 20 mins or less to go... then we may.
Haha, well I sure hope you dont Smile

dnmac4 wrote:
RealGunner wrote:would u start Sanchez or Pedro dnmac ?

Pedro all the way. He always plays well against Madrid and even if he's not scoring we need his directness and pace plus his hounding Madrid when we lose the ball.

Alexis I believe will be very good for us but I don't think he has any clue what he's stepping into and we just can't afford to have him getting used to the atmosphere and speed of the game for the first 30 minutes as we are in big trouble if Madrid scores first. I know he played in the Supercopa but this is different.

Barca and Spain have been missing an in form Pedro and IMO he's one of the best wingers in the world and quite frankly I'm tired of Pep trying to replace him.

Dont you think that Alexis would be better considering his and Pedros form? And its not like Alexis is missing pace or directness. And imho Alexis is at least as good as Pedro tracking back and pressing to win the ball. The only thing Pedro is better on is finishing, which we havent seen that much of... And Pedro has not played good always vs Madrid. Maybe its just me having a bad memory, but in the CL away game vs Madrid he didnt do single sh!et, then Afellay came in and changed the whole game.

How do you mean by different between the Supercopa and the league clasico? I mean, he played a match against them and did really, really good and was also raping Marcelo. In fact, I think we need more of his dribbling skills than Pedro to create space.

Oh well, we'll see what Pep decides. I just hope he isnt stupid enough to play Keita from start LOL.

The Supercopa was kind of a meaningless game and most of our team was out of shape and coming back from vacations or national team duties etc. Don't get me wrong, both teams wanted to win and the games were great but it's just not the same as the away league fixture at Madrid which is our hardest game every year.

I think if you asked Pep or Mou they would tell you wining the Supercopa is great but the league is the most important especially when losing this game would almost wrap La Liga up for Madrid and at the very least would put an insane amount of pressure on Barca and they would need to win every game in La Liga going forward and then still they may not catch up.

Also, I don't think Madrid will play as open as they did and this will be a physical war with Madrid looking for a tie/win but will not gift Barca anything and be way more defensive.

As for Sanchez tracking back and pressing the ball as well as Pedro, just no. I mean no offense but it's not even close and it shouldn't be as Alexis has been in this system for months compared to Pedro being in it for years. IMO, Pedro is the best on our team at pressing and wining the ball back and may be one of the best in the world at this. Plus if you read my other post Pedro stays out on the wing where Sanchez likes to cut in and it clogs things up.

As for there form, Pedro has been injured and Sanchez hasn't been a world beater either. He was great last game, but before that he wasn't playing great or anything but was effective. When Pedro's in the game it just makes Barca a different team it's hard to explain but they are more energetic and direct and he's a great outlet on the wing and he has a knack for getting on the end of deflections.

And lastly, I think your memory is off a little as Pedro plays great against Madrid and in big games. I'm not going to pull up statrs but he's scored a bunch of times against Madrid.
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