Official Definition of World Class

Gil wrote:

Ganso wrote:

Gil wrote:The elite in their position.

There are more "World Class" strikers in today's game than rights backs or defensive midfielders for example.

im pretty sure thats how it has always been

Edited my earlier post.

So by your definition someone like Micah Richards could be a World Class player but Aguero & Dzeko wouldn't even though their both better footballers?

thats the thing,world class is a level above a great player.

Richards world class?sagna,alves,lahm,zanetti,ivanovic,ramos are better than him from the top of my head

EarlyPrototype wrote:

hrealmadrid wrote:

deezydeez wrote:top 5 in that position

Agreed. I think of world class as among the very best in that particular position.

Also, I regard "world class" very differently from having or being "class"

Messi
Higuain
RVP
Gomez
Rooney
are all world class

Suarez
Eto'o
Ibra
Cavani could all make a case for themselves (just an example)

Take for example LB's

Cole
Evra
Marcelo (haters stfu)
Lahm
Clichy? Enrique? already running out of ideas.

Using top 5's we are assuming every position produces the same amount of players.

I don't necessarily think it should be restricted to five. Maybe no more than/up to five.

world-class (wûrldkls)
adj.
1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order

hrealmadrid wrote:

EarlyPrototype wrote:

hrealmadrid wrote:

deezydeez wrote:top 5 in that position

Agreed. I think of world class as among the very best in that particular position.

Also, I regard "world class" very differently from having or being "class"

Messi
Higuain
RVP
Gomez
Rooney
are all world class

Suarez
Eto'o
Ibra
Cavani could all make a case for themselves (just an example)

Take for example LB's

Cole
Evra
Marcelo (haters stfu)
Lahm
Clichy? Enrique? already running out of ideas.

Using top 5's we are assuming every position produces the same amount of players.

I don't necessarily think it should be restricted to five. Maybe no more than/up to five.

?lol?

richards > ramos

Well I mean someone can't just be like "he's not world class because there are already five others that are better than him"..or.."he's world class because there are only two people in his position that are better."

Evra and Cole are past it they hav'nt performed for going on 2 years.....

I wish people would insist on them being world class when they have done nothing the past 2 seasons they are just names nowadays.

Exactly and that further strengthens the point you can't really classify world class into top 5.

Eboue?

Eboue

Definition? Simple, Iniesta. I would Love to Figo transfer coup the shit out of him!

/Thread

Definition of World Class:

Here we love to put the title based on form, when it really should be based on overall performance.

I like the "everyone agrees he's good" description, and the "would walk into most teams" ones. Top 5 also makes sence, depending on the position and available talent.

I was going to make this thread

I think dnmac gave a good definition or lack thereof of WC. WC is not an objective term and therefore a rigid description of it would be futile, as dnmac said, if the term registers with our own subjective mind, and it registers for MOST observers then that player is WC.

The best we can do is make a criteria for observance.

Zizzle so far gave the best criteria, we need the WC player to be:

1- Outstanding in his position.
2- Consistent in his "outstandingness".
3- Do it for a long period of time.

For example, Messi was great his first season, but it was not only after his third great season that MOST observers started agreeing on him being WC.

And this criteria gives leeway to different eras, for example now when we have so few good LB, we can only have so much WC LB.

Finally, once a player achieves the title of WC, out of respect of his former statues, he always retains the title even if he is not among the top 5 in his position at this time, example Gattuso is WC for what he did 5 years ago and not for what he is doing now.

Reaching WC statues is a step lower than reaching club Legend and World legend statues.

All in all, the summary would be:

A WC player is a player who:

Have been outstanding in his position for an extended period of time (depending on the position) so that he was always considered on of the best in that position in the eyes of most football observers.

Busquets for example needs two more years at the same level to earn it since the DM position has long life span.

I think it should be a standard of quality, not a 'Top 5' thing, like some have been saying.

would di natale be world class?

Yeah, top 5 dont make sense to me either.

Clichy is world class but Suarez isnt? Dont seem right to me.

bhends wrote:

Ganso wrote:if we were to pick a 23 men best team in the world,this player would be in it

Well that was easy

Glad to see my definition is catching on.

RedOranje wrote:

bhends wrote:

Ganso wrote:if we were to pick a 23 men best team in the world,this player would be in it

Well that was easy

Glad to see my definition is catching on.

That definition dont work either tho......

You would have no more than 4 forwards and there's more than 4 world class forwards in the world.....

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

RedOranje wrote:

bhends wrote:

Ganso wrote:if we were to pick a 23 men best team in the world,this player would be in it

Well that was easy

Glad to see my definition is catching on.

That definition dont work either tho......

You would have no more than 4 forwards and there's more than 4 world class forwards in the world.....

I disagree. By that definition there AREN'T more world class forwards than that. And that type of exclusivity is why it's such high praise.

The Franchise wrote:Yeah, top 5 dont make sense to me either.

Clichy is world class but Suarez isnt? Dont seem right to me.

Alright so I'm thinking for poll options:

What should Goal Legacy's definition of World Class be?

Would make a 23 man world squad
Top 2 in position
Top 5 in position
The 'elite' in position (I might not include this one at all since it's so vague it wouldn't be helpful)
If you have to think about it, he's not world class

Spencer I'm not sure how I would outline your process of selection as a definition.

Anything I'm missing?

You're missing the Eboue option BC.

In all seriousness, it's not top 5 it's more like top 2-3 fullbacks/DM's, top 5 GK's/CB's/AM's/CM's and top 7-8 strikers/wingers.

However, as players change the amount in each category changes too. If we had a sudden influx of amazing LB's then it wouldn't be fair to only name 3 as World Class.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Alright so I'm thinking for poll options:

What should Goal Legacy's definition of World Class be?

Would make a 23 man world squad
Top 2 in position
Top 5 in position
The 'elite' in position (I might not include this one at all since it's so vague it wouldn't be helpful)
If you have to think about it, he's not world class

Spencer I'm not sure how I would outline your process of selection as a definition.

Anything I'm missing?

This is all still very subjective though
We are almost better off making a giant list of potential world class players and then keep tuning it until it is agreeable
wouldn't be that hard

Luca wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Alright so I'm thinking for poll options:

What should Goal Legacy's definition of World Class be?

Would make a 23 man world squad
Top 2 in position
Top 5 in position
The 'elite' in position (I might not include this one at all since it's so vague it wouldn't be helpful)
If you have to think about it, he's not world class

Spencer I'm not sure how I would outline your process of selection as a definition.

Anything I'm missing?

This is all still very subjective though
We are almost better off making a giant list of potential world class players and then keep tuning it until it is agreeable
wouldn't be that hard

I like this idea, but it would be a shitstorm, really.

It would be like a phantom Madrid-Barca vs. thread.

Yeah it would be very tough but interesting
If a player is really debated just scratch him off or something

Don't really agree with the term WC. I would say a great player is a player that

A) Has the God given ability
B) Is able to Maximise that ability and do well for the team
C) (B) on a consistent basis
D) Elevate your teams overall performance (possibly lead them to wining important trophies or help them attain something pausible ie a top 4 finish, save them from relegation etc)

Any player that has at least 3 of those four is WC i suppose.

Xavi fits nicely into all the four
Nani has 2 so he isn't WC but maybe he is, no?
Rooney is WC
Aguero isn't because again, he has 2 of those so I don't consider him WC.
anyways you get my point. Pedro has 2 so no WC.

But the again that is a very narrow minded view. What happens if a player goes to a different team and doesn't perform and he was previoulsy considerd WC? is WC a permanent status or something you only have for a few seasons? If it's the former then Ruud VN is still WC as he has performed in 3 different leagues and has been top goal scorer, but that isn't true is it? So it has to e the latter. So by that definition, Torres isn't a WC striker anymore and hasn't been one for almost two seasons. Villa isn't WC because he is currently suffering or is he? the saying form is temporary class is permanent comes into mind here. So if a player ala Veron who was played out of posotion at United was considered WC before, wheat would you have called him after he played at United? or Forlan? He had one WC season by that definition. Does being WC mean you have to perform the criteria for a certain number of seasons? If yes then Forlan, Marcelo and RVP (due to different circumstances are not WC). Messi and Ronaldo have been performing these feats consistently.

Using Balotelli for example, I would say that he isn't even close to WC as he only has one of those 4 things, but I'm sure people on this forum would disagree.

Using an example that the RM and Barcelona fans can relate to. Ronaldo and Messi. MEssi fulfilled all the categories last season and has done for 3 season now. It could be argues that ROnaldo only did 3, but 3 out of four is still WC. Xavi did all four, so by that definition, Xavi is a btter player than ROnaldo? Also we have to take into consideration the system that they play in and what their functions are. Dani Alves is the best example I can use. People would say he is the best Right back in the world but is he? For one thing I see him as a wingback and not a full back. Maicon is preffered for Brazil. So Maicon is better at NT and Alves is better for Barceloa, who is better than the other? When defining WC and comparing you have to definie it within the players specific sytem and can only be compared with players that do a particluar job.

Long story short, we can all twist statistics to determine who is WC and who isn't and at the end, it all comes dfown to opinion.