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by Valkyrja Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:01 am

Lucas is the future of Selecao, future world's best. Neymar is overrated. Marcelo is the best brazilian atm.

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:13 am

lol robinho? really? would anyone trust that inconsistent son of a bitch? nope, not again please.

and yes neymar should be a starter

so should ganso

and yes we are worried, dude

and yes mano is a total retard. he *bleep* it all up.

nothing looked bright.

that own goal save mano's ass, that's all. terrible performance.

ronaldinho should not come again.

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:14 am

zece wrote:Lucas is the future of Selecao, future world's best. Neymar is overrated. Marcelo is the best brazilian atm.

lol are you saying that based on this one match or have you been constantly watching both neymar and lucas playing for their respectively clubs for the past year, year and half?

either way, you are seriously wrong.. lucas can't touch neymar..

by Valkyrja Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:21 am

rsinatra wrote:
zece wrote:Lucas is the future of Selecao, future world's best. Neymar is overrated. Marcelo is the best brazilian atm.

lol are you saying that based on this one match or have you been constantly watching both neymar and lucas playing for their respectively clubs for the past year, year and half?

either way, you are seriously wrong.. lucas can't touch neymar..

He is faster, better dribbler, stronger, much more intelligent, much more talented IMO. Neymar is the Cr7 type of player, fancy style, tricky.

by biggiejay Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:22 am

Hernanes started his career as a volante but he hasn't played volante in awhile. He has played as a 10 ever since 2009 with Sao Paulo and for Lazio now. Plus if he plays as a volante, you lose his amazing long distance shooting, playmaking and dribbling.

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:25 am

For those who speak Portuguese, here is a critical, truthful analysis of the match, the coach, and the players:

http://blogdobirner.virgula.uol.com.br/2012/02/28/escalacao-de-ronaldinho-prejudicou-o-brasil-selecao-nao-merece-aplausos-pela-vitoria/

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:26 am

Hernanes left as a Volante from Sao Paulo...

Hernanes is better off playing balls to the meias from deep and making deep runs like he was when he was with Sao Paulo under Muricy. Which is when he was at his best.

by biggiejay Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:26 am

zece wrote:
rsinatra wrote:
zece wrote:Lucas is the future of Selecao, future world's best. Neymar is overrated. Marcelo is the best brazilian atm.

lol are you saying that based on this one match or have you been constantly watching both neymar and lucas playing for their respectively clubs for the past year, year and half?

either way, you are seriously wrong.. lucas can't touch neymar..

He is faster, better dribbler, stronger, much more intelligent, much more talented IMO. Neymar is the Cr7 type of player, fancy style, tricky.

As someone who watches Lucas and Neymar on a weekly basis, and I'm sure the majority of the brasilians will agree with me Neymar>Lucas.

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:28 am

rsinatra wrote:lol robinho? really? would anyone trust that inconsistent son of a bitch? nope, not again please.

Robinho is better than Hulk. what are you talking about. Not one game has Hulk looked good.

Plus Robinho is in way better form than Hulk. Milan > Porto. I expect Robinho to be back soon.

by biggiejay Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:29 am

Catracho wrote:Hernanes left as a Volante from Sao Paulo...

Hernanes is better off playing balls to the meias from deep and making deep runs like he was when he was with Sao Paulo under Muricy. Which is when he was at his best.

If anything Hernanes can play as a segundo volante but not a primeiro volante like Lucas Leiva or Sandro.

by biggiejay Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:31 am

Catracho wrote:
rsinatra wrote:lol robinho? really? would anyone trust that inconsistent son of a bitch? nope, not again please.

Robinho is better than Hulk. what are you talking about. Not one game has Hulk looked good.

Plus Robinho is in way better form than Hulk. Milan > Porto. I expect Robinho to be back soon.

Robinho should be called up but I would start Hulk ahead of him. Hulk looked good against Mexico!

by Ganso Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:31 am

hulk>robinho?the hell?But yeah,Robinho should be with the NT atm,has been in hot form recently.would def take him for the olympics instead of Dinho

heres what my fav journalist had to say
A seleção brasileira começou 2012 jogando rigorosamente o mesmo que em 2011: nada!

A péssima qualidade do futebol exibido pela equipe de Mano Menezes, na sofrida vitória sobre a limitadíssima Bósnia (que nas eliminatórias da Euro 2012 tomou uma humilhante goleada de 6 a 2, diante de Portugal, e acabou fora do torneio), apenas confirma o que já se sabia: o técnico está completamente perdido e não tem a menor idéia do que fazer para encontrar um caminho.

Começar a primeira partida da temporada, diante de um rival frágil, com um meio-campo formado por Sandro, Fernandinho e Hernanes (este último, como meia) já é tristemente sintomático. E a insistência com Ronaldinho Gaúcho (que até no Flamengo vem se arrastando em campo), incompreensível e lamentável.

E se neste esquema covarde e caótico nem mesmo o sistema defensivo funciona (sim, porque a presença de tantos cabeças-de-área é incapaz de proteger a defesa, como se pode notar pelas inúmeras oportunidades criadas pelos inocentes bósnios), o que resta?

Talvez o talento individual dos laterais Daniel Alves e Marcelo (que, na ausência de apoiadores, tentaram jogar como tais), umas poucas arrancadas de Neymar (meio tolhido em campo, por ocupar a mesma faixa de campo de Ronaldinho Gaúcho), a categoria de Thiago Silva (o mesmo já não se pode dizer de David Luiz, que falhou várias vezes) e a esperança em jogadores como Lucas (que entrou no finalzinho e quase fez um golaço) e Ganso (que, inexplicavelmente, passou a maior parte do amistoso no banco).

Pouco, muito pouco.

Em tempo: a era de Júlio César (que voltou a falhar no gol) na seleção já acabou faz tempo...

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:32 am

biggiejay wrote:
zece wrote:
rsinatra wrote:
zece wrote:Lucas is the future of Selecao, future world's best. Neymar is overrated. Marcelo is the best brazilian atm.

lol are you saying that based on this one match or have you been constantly watching both neymar and lucas playing for their respectively clubs for the past year, year and half?

either way, you are seriously wrong.. lucas can't touch neymar..

He is faster, better dribbler, stronger, much more intelligent, much more talented IMO. Neymar is the Cr7 type of player, fancy style, tricky.

As someone who watches Lucas and Neymar on a weekly basis, and I'm sure the majority of the brasilians will agree with me Neymar>Lucas.

Exactly. Sorry but you are totally off track here. Lucas is above average, but he is no Neymar.

Catracho wrote:
rsinatra wrote:lol robinho? really? would anyone trust that inconsistent son of a bitch? nope, not again please.

Robinho is better than Hulk. what are you talking about. Not one game has Hulk looked good.

Plus Robinho is in way better form than Hulk. Milan > Porto. I expect Robinho to be back soon.

Better form? He's had a terrible season and because of 2-3 alright games he's in great form?? No.. he's doing okay, but he's proven again and again that he is too inconsistent to play for us.

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:32 am

you people who watch Globo should stop listening to Galvão Bueno and Casagrande saying that Robinho should be back. Those guys are jokes.

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:33 am

biggiejay wrote:
Catracho wrote:
rsinatra wrote:lol robinho? really? would anyone trust that inconsistent son of a bitch? nope, not again please.

Robinho is better than Hulk. what are you talking about. Not one game has Hulk looked good.

Plus Robinho is in way better form than Hulk. Milan > Porto. I expect Robinho to be back soon.

Robinho should be called up but I would start Hulk ahead of him. Hulk looked good against Mexico!

...

MEXICO?!?!

by aleumdance Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:33 am

rsinatra wrote:you people who watch Globo should stop listening to Galvão Bueno and Casagrande saying that Robinho should be back. Those guys are jokes.

people still listen to galvao bueno?

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:34 am

Diego Alves should be our main goalkeeper.

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:34 am

Catracho wrote:
biggiejay wrote:
Catracho wrote:
rsinatra wrote:lol robinho? really? would anyone trust that inconsistent son of a bitch? nope, not again please.

Robinho is better than Hulk. what are you talking about. Not one game has Hulk looked good.

Plus Robinho is in way better form than Hulk. Milan > Porto. I expect Robinho to be back soon.

Robinho should be called up but I would start Hulk ahead of him. Hulk looked good against Mexico!

... MEXICO?!?!

He looked good against France, man. That says it. I can't remember the last time Robinho looked good for Brazil. Much before the 2010 WC..

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:35 am

biggiejay wrote:
Catracho wrote:Hernanes left as a Volante from Sao Paulo...

Hernanes is better off playing balls to the meias from deep and making deep runs like he was when he was with Sao Paulo under Muricy. Which is when he was at his best.

If anything Hernanes can play as a segundo volante but not a primeiro volante like Lucas Leiva or Sandro.

this is what Im trying to say. Hernanes is originally a Segundo Volante. He acts much much better to play a Segundo Volante, instead of a 10. His skills are better suited for it than Elias or Fernandinho who both suck.

Also moving to Hernanes to his original position opens up a spot at AM for someone like Oscar, whose been on a run of good form lately.

by rsinatra Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:36 am

aleumdance wrote:
rsinatra wrote:you people who watch Globo should stop listening to Galvão Bueno and Casagrande saying that Robinho should be back. Those guys are jokes.

people still listen to galvao bueno?

lol idk but Ganso(user) and Catracho both want Robinho back.. just like Galvão.. the same man who's against the "pontos corridos" system in the Brasileirao.. true joke.

by biggiejay Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:39 am

Robinho is inconsistent but he has always performed well for the selecao! I would call him up but I wouldn't start him. Robinho is definitely better than Jonas!

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:40 am

ofcourse I want Robinho back. Robinho is on form and Hulk isn't. case closed.

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:42 am

list of strikers marginally better than Jonas... Fred, Pato, and Damiao.

the first 2 needs to stay off the physio bench.

by biggiejay Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:45 am

Pato is such a frustrating player to watch. I watched the Milan vs Juve on saturday and he provided no movement what so ever. Maybe it's because of all the injuries but he has the potential to be our #9 but even tho he didnt play well today, L.Damiao should be our #9.

by Catracho Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:49 am

Fred is currently on form.

And now that Vagner Love and Luis Fabiano are back in Brazil, they should see their form elevate and possibly be considered for a Brazilian NT spot.

by Ganso Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:23 am

Não penso que o procuramos em demasia. O procuramos na medida certa para o jogador que ocupa essa função de armação. A bola precisa passar por ele. Acredito que o Ronaldinho esteve abaixo do que é Ronaldinho. Ele não conseguiu dar aquele passe de qualidade que costuma dar – avaliou o comandante.

Com a entrada do santista Paulo Henrique Ganso no segundo tempo, o Brasil trabalhou melhor a bola. E Mano Menezes reconheceu isso.

- O Ganso entrou bem e o crescimento no setor aconteceu porque a bola passou a ter continuidade naquele setor. Nem sempre é possível colocar alguém na cara do gol. O sistema de jogo do adversário não permite isso. Quando não for possível, não perca a bola – acrescentou o treinador.

A defesa, porém, recebeu críticas. Em especial David Luiz, que não foi bem no lance do gol da Bósnia, marcado por Ibsevic.

- O David Luiz teve uma atuação abaixo de David Luiz. Tivemos uma conversa pós-jogo e disse que o erro faz parte da vida de um jogador. Você não pode deixar que isso interfira na sequência da partida. Como zagueiro, não pode ficar longe do seu setor de atuação e deixar o adversário sair com a bola – concluiu Mano.

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