Re: Brasileirão Futebol Thread: Sponsored by Itaú

[Catracho]

Serie B side, Boa, is currently negotiating with Ecuadorian striker, Felipe Caicedo (Ex-Man City and Levante)

[rsinatra]

Pior do que o baile humilhante que o futebol
brasileiro levou do espanhol, na final do
Mundial Interclubes, entre Santos e
Barcelona, foi ouvir e ler algumas das
opiniões de Muricy Ramalho e Mano
Menezes — dois dos nossos mais badalados
técnicos da atualidade. Aliás, os escolhidos
pela CBF para treinar a seleção brasileira: o
primeiro a recusou, o segundo a pegou.
Com seu folclórico mau-humor, o treinador
santista, ao invés de admitir humildemente o
fracasso (como fez, com admirável grandeza, o
jovem Neymar), preferiu disparar contra a mídia:
— No Brasil, o sistema que eles (os espanhóis)
usam é (considerado) absurdo. Com 3-7-0, mandam
te prender. Mas como é o Barcelona todo mundo
aceita... — resmungou, na entrevista pós-massacre.
Já no final do domingo, instado a se manifestar,
Mano Menezes postou no twitter:
"Aqui (no Brasil), nossos críticos ainda estão
rotulando uma equipe ofensiva pelo número de
atacantes ou volantes que o seu técnico escala na
formação inicial" — observou, entre outras
considerações, nas quais defende a tese de que o
Barça faz hoje em dia algo completamente diferente
do que já se fez no futebol (?!?!) e que precisa ser
aceito, entendido e resolvido.
Em suma, ambos resolveram dividir com a
imprensa a responsabilidade pela retumbante
derrota! Ora, façam-me o favor...
ATROPELAMENTO. O tal 3-7-0 do Barcelona,
diagnosticado por Muricy, na realidade, poderia ser
mais fielmente descrito como um 0-3-7, pois, ao
imprensar o rival em seu próprio campo, como faz,
o time de Guardiola transforma seus três zagueiros
(Piqué, Puyol e Abidal) em autênticos volantes,
postados na intermediária. Daí pra frente todo
mundo é meia e atacante. Como é possível? Por
uma simples razão: há talento e habilidade de
sobra. Resumo da ópera: Muricy foi atropelado por
um caminhão e não conseguiu anotar a placa...
MIOPIA. Essa discussão sobre esquemas e
posições levou Mano a disparar contra os
"extremistas" que, segundo ele, insistem em rotular
times e treinadores como defensivos ou ofensivos,
de acordo com o número de marcadores e
atacantes. Seu equívoco está no cerne da discórdia:
a questão não é de quantidade mas de qualidade.
Houve um tempo em que nossos volantes não
eram botinudos, preocupados somente em
desarmar. Zito, Clodoaldo, Dudu, Carpegianni,
Cerezo, Falcão, Andrade, Pintinho, Juninho
Pernambucano etc protegiam suas defesas e
também davam início aos ataques. Porque sabiam
jogar! E, por isso, seus times tinham saída de bola
perfeita e toque refinado.
De uns tempos pra cá, no Brasil, jogadores dessa
estirpe perderam espaço: qualquer cabeça-de-área
que saiba fazer um pouco mais que dar carrinhos e
desferir socos e pontapés é logo avançado para a
posição de meia — às vezes, vira até atacante! E o
que acontece? Na maioria dos casos, não se ganha
um grande armador e se perde um bom volante.
E tome de brucutu. E, consequentemente, tome
de passe errado, de chutão pra frente, de
chuveirinho a esmo... É nisso que, infelizmente, se
transformou nosso futebol. E é por isso que ficamos
tão abismados quando nos deparamos com timaços
como este do Barcelona, que pratica um jogo de
sonhos, sim. Como o nosso já foi um dia...
BONS DE BOLA? O que Muricy, Mano e tantos
outros medalhões da área técnica parecem ter se
esquecido é da verdadeira essência do nosso jogo.
Ao abdicar do talento, em prol da força; do drible,
em prol do carrinho, e da tabelinha, em prol do
chutão, renegamos nossa própria história.
Em 1970, para escalar os melhores, Zagallo fez
Piazza se tornar zagueiro; Tostão, centroavante;
Rivelino, ponta-esquerda, e Jairzinho voltar à ponta-
direita. E na prática, quatro anos antes do
revolucionário "carrossel holandês" de Rinus
Michels, o escrete de Zagallo já arriscava os seus
giros pelo campo, esbanjando categoria e
massacrando os rivais.
Foi assim também em outra seleção que
encantou o mundo pela união de talentos,
independentemente de posição: o Brasil de Telê
assombrou a Europa, numa excursão, em 81, e,
mesmo derrotado, encantou, na Copa da Espanha,
no ano seguinte, com Cerezo, Falcão, Sócrates e
Zico, acompanhados de Leandro e Júnior.
É verdade que não temos, hoje em dia, tantos
talentos nem de tal naipe. Mas se nossos
treinadores continuarem preterindo os garotos
bons de bola que surgem e ainda nos restam para
encher nossos times e nossas seleções de volantes
parrudos (no mínimo, três por meio-campo!!!) e
trombadores, só nos restará aplaudir o Barcelona, a
Espanha, a Alemanha etc. — e contar para os
nossos netos que um dia já fomos bons de bola.
Mas será cada vez mais difícil que eles acreditem...
FÉRIAS! Hora do descanso. Dou uma paradinha
na coluna, nos programas na TV e na rádio e no
blog e volto no início do Estadual do Rio. Boas
Festas e Feliz Ano Novo a todos!

Okay, there are some fair points here, but let us be clear: Muricy Ramalho >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mano Menezes. Muricy's achievements can in no way be compared to Mano's, because they are much greater.

Moving on: it's not their fault football is like that. What they did was adapt to the situation. Muricy is not a saint, but he was very correct in saying that Brazil would crucify him if he tried something like Barcelona. Come on, our clubs fire 3, 4 managers a year ffs!!!!!!!! People wanted Tite out even though Corinthians were sitting at pole position for most of the Campeonato. And then we sell our best players at every 6 months. How can any manager, coach, whatever, be expected to try anything as bold as Barcelona? Some of our players are leaving before they even are promoted to 18. It's ridiculous. So, no, Mano and Muricy are not saints, but they made very good points.

So, who's to blame? CBF. Simply CBF. Instead of investing in our clubs, their players, structures, what do they do? Invest in themselves. Why don't Santos and Botafogo go touring in Europe like they used to in the 60's? Because now it's all about CBF, aka Seleção Brasileira. It's become a brand, with a lot of money, and what they care about. CBF and all those corrupted boards that run most of the clubs ruined our football. It's not the managers fault. Not all of them. They did what they could to adapt.

You know who is Muricy's mentor, biggest hero, a guy he worked with and taught him many things? Telê Santana. Yes, 1982 Brazil's coach, aka the guy who made Brazil play the most beautiful football ever.

We need someone with balls, but most of all someone who has the support of someone bigger who'll back this person up when the media and the public come at them. Someone like Cruyff.

Fact is, Muricy might be our only coach close to World class. And his style isn't pretty. It'll be Dunga all over.

And we still have volantes like the ones we mentioned: Arouca is a big example. But there aren't many. What needs to be changed is the structure of football. The way the kids start to train from 10 years old. Cruyff Cruyff Cruyff!!! lol I don't care if the xenophobic only want Brazilian coaches anymore!!!

[Catracho]

I think that has become a bad practice habit in Brazil...

they find it much cheaper to quickly fire and replace headcoaches instead of waiting them out.

[rsinatra]

I think that has become a bad practice habit in Brazil...

they find it much cheaper to quickly fire and replace headcoaches instead of waiting them out.

exactly, it shows the lack of football understanding from those people who control these things. they want everything to work quickly, "now or never", and obviously it DOESNT work!

it's no wonder the best coach in our country is a "retranca" master. it's the "temporary solution", the way to be successful. because to play beautiful football takes a long time, and will probably involve a lot of losing. that's why mano's criticism was wrong in the beginning, he was trying to make us play pretty but we were losing. people didnt understand it. now he sold out and doesnt really know what he's doing anymore. the WC is in 2,5 years and we don't have a real team yet. 2,5 years lol, how can we expected to play like barcelona!!! its unrealistic!!!

[Catracho]

noone plays like Barcelona, but Barcelona lol.

[Ganso]

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/futebol-internacional/noticia/2011/12/neymar-e-escolhido-o-melhor-da-america.html

neymar,best player in south america

[Funkentelechy]

Muricy is a one trick pony, tho.

And I don't get this obsession with Barcelona, they don't monopolize good football, y'know

[aleumdance]

Muricy is a one trick pony, tho.

best Brazilian coach imo

[Catracho]

Corinthians sign a Chinese player named, Chen Zhizhao, he is signing a 2-year loan contract with Corinthians. He was playing for Nanchang.


Expanding our brand

[JAY-Z]

Casemiro, anything about him? He is linked to Roma, i wanna know more about him ..please : ))

[Funkentelechy]

Well, Casemiro is box-to-box midfielder so he's good at doing forward runs and finishing. He's also very good in the air thanks to his strong built. He even scored and assisted a good number of goals when in good form, but his passing is generally inconsistent and he's not the kind of midfielder that will do the passing, setting the tempo, etc.

Even though he's very talented, he has attitude problems (being lazy and careless) and also positional problems. He started as DM, then moved to CM, AM, LM, playing even as CB in the u20 WC, so in the end he doesn't have a proper position thus struggling positionally.

[Catracho]

just know.. he's not starting at Sao Paulo anymore.

[Catracho]

[Ganso]

cant wait,15 days left

sexless life>football-less life

[Catracho]

Goleiro, Galatto, (ex-Grêmio, Atlético PR and Málaga) has joined Itumbiara.

While F.C. Porto striker, Walter, will officially sign for Cruzeiro on loan tomorrow.

[Funkentelechy]

What's up with these guys flopping so hard

[rsinatra]

Santos have apparently signed with Nike? So we are going to be expanding our brand as well, selling our shirts throughout the word, with fixed numbers and stuff (which we didn't have before), and it seems like a good deal.

I've also just watched LAOR's itnerview (he's our club President), and it was truly awesome, he talked a lot about Ganso's case and that lie about Neymar's new contract beng invalid.

[rsinatra]

oh, and he's also said that the rumors about Maxwell coming to Santos are not true, his paycheck is probably too high for our standards, and he says that one Barcelona player wouldn't be enough, they'd need all 11 of them because they a true team that depend a lot on each other.

[Yeezus]

Gabriel Silva to Udinese, good purchase imo.

How do you rate this LB?

[Catracho]

he sucks.

[rsinatra]

btw, last week's Cartão Verde (the last one of the year, on December 27 2011), had Santos' president LAOR as a guest (!!!!!!!!!!!!). That guy would be the Messiah as CBF's president. A true football fan, organized, and pro-Brazil!

here's the link (in Portuguese): http://tvcultura.cmais.com.br/cartaoverde

or you can find it on you tube

(part 1... the rest you can find yourselves!!)

[Yeezus]

he sucks.

Udinese will sell him for 20m, regardless.

[Catracho]

he sucks.

Udinese will sell him for 20m, regardless.

to who?? I really doubt he even succeeds in Italy or even becomes above average. Your making him out to be an elite talent.. lol far from. He lost his leftback position at Palmeiras to some scrub named Rivaldo. Now I'm suppose to believe he's going to make it in Europe...

[aleumdance]

corinthians signed a chinese player

[Yeezus]

he sucks.

Udinese will sell him for 20m, regardless.

to who?? I really doubt he even succeeds in Italy or even becomes above average. Your making him out to be an elite talent.. lol far from. He lost his leftback position at Palmeiras to some scrub named Rivaldo. Now I'm suppose to believe he's going to make it in Europe...

Udinese have their ways, they'll sell him to a Ukrainian club at 20m

[Catracho]

he sucks.

Udinese will sell him for 20m, regardless.

to who?? I really doubt he even succeeds in Italy or even becomes above average. Your making him out to be an elite talent.. lol far from. He lost his leftback position at Palmeiras to some scrub named Rivaldo. Now I'm suppose to believe he's going to make it in Europe...

Udinese have their ways, they'll sell him to a Ukrainian club at 20m

he returns to Brazil on free imo.

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