Has C.Ronaldo become a worse all round player at Real Madrid?

jiopsi wrote:

Adit wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.

He has 91 goals in 95 games for Madrid. Messi has scored now 99 in 100 games straight for Barcelona, and what is unbelievable he has done it much, much more impressive style, much less penalties, tap-ins or assisted goals.

CR7 is definitely one of the best goal scorers of his generation, but not the best.

i was talking about league for that 70 goals.

91 in 95 all games who comes close to his goal to game ratio? not even messi.

If he keep up this goal scoring ratio he definitely has the chance to become all time best goal scorer.

Yeah, Messi also scored more in harder games, like in UCL and head to head against Madrid.

Not even Messi? Lol 99/100 > 91/95.

CR7 career Goal/Game ratio is 0.5 and Messi has 0.68 and it's getting better every year.

i was talking about respective goal ratio's for madrid and barcelona of course where ronaldo has 91 in 95 while messi has 195 in 298.Messi has been playing there since he was a child ,while ronaldo came from a different league and adapted pretty amazingly.

Adit wrote:i was talking about respective goal ratio's for madrid and barcelona of course where ronaldo has 91 in 95 while messi has 195 in 298.Messi has been playing there since he was a child ,while ronaldo came from a different league and adapted pretty amazingly.

That's the problem with getting your 'arguments' off of wikipedia

Messi career: 276 games 189 goals
Ronaldo career: 418 games 214 goals

Adit wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

Adit wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.

He has 91 goals in 95 games for Madrid. Messi has scored now 99 in 100 games straight for Barcelona, and what is unbelievable he has done it much, much more impressive style, much less penalties, tap-ins or assisted goals.

CR7 is definitely one of the best goal scorers of his generation, but not the best.

i was talking about league for that 70 goals.

91 in 95 all games who comes close to his goal to game ratio? not even messi.

If he keep up this goal scoring ratio he definitely has the chance to become all time best goal scorer.

Yeah, Messi also scored more in harder games, like in UCL and head to head against Madrid.

Not even Messi? Lol 99/100 > 91/95.

CR7 career Goal/Game ratio is 0.5 and Messi has 0.68 and it's getting better every year.

i was talking about respective goal ratio's for madrid and barcelona of course.Messi has been playing there since he was a child ,while ronaldo came from a different league and adapted pretty amazingly.

Yeah, he came in his prime, where as Messi has started his career in Barca. There is no point to compare someone only in prime against someone's whole career.

Btw RvN has Goal/Game ratio 0.61 of his career, so CR7 has lot to go even there.

Lionel Messi wrote:

Adit wrote:i was talking about respective goal ratio's for madrid and barcelona of course where ronaldo has 91 in 95 while messi has 195 in 298.Messi has been playing there since he was a child ,while ronaldo came from a different league and adapted pretty amazingly.

That's the problem with getting your 'arguments' off of wikipedia

Messi career: 276 games 189 goals
Ronaldo career: 418 games 214 goals

Those stats are same in wikipedia too, so calm down.

The xcx wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

Adit wrote:i was talking about respective goal ratio's for madrid and barcelona of course where ronaldo has 91 in 95 while messi has 195 in 298.Messi has been playing there since he was a child ,while ronaldo came from a different league and adapted pretty amazingly.

That's the problem with getting your 'arguments' off of wikipedia

Messi career: 276 games 189 goals
Ronaldo career: 418 games 214 goals

Those stats are same in wikipedia too, so calm down.

I know that, but his argument was taking Messi's entire career and comparing it to Ronaldos prime :lol!:

take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years. When CR7 scored 53 goals he just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

xabi wrote:take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years, when cr7 when he scored 53 goals just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

Yeah, and CR7 gets a lot more help from his teammates in Madrid to his goals than Messi in Barcelona. So what's your point?

Surprised this isn't in the RB section yet

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years, when cr7 when he scored 53 goals just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

Yeah, and CR7 gets a lot more help from his teammates in Madrid to his goals than Messi in Barcelona. So what's your point?

And you base that on what?

Whenever I watch barca messi is always getting passed all of the time

xabi wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years, when cr7 when he scored 53 goals just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

Yeah, and CR7 gets a lot more help from his teammates in Madrid to his goals than Messi in Barcelona. So what's your point?

And you base that on what?

Whenever I watch barca messi is always getting passed all of the time

75% of his goals were directly assisted last season, Messi 53%. He scored 2x (9) more penalties (that other players dived) and 3x (11) more tap-ins (which other players created), not to mention the cazillion shots he takes to score those goals, which are directly away from team play.

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years, when cr7 when he scored 53 goals just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

Yeah, and CR7 gets a lot more help from his teammates in Madrid to his goals than Messi in Barcelona. So what's your point?

And you base that on what?

Whenever I watch barca messi is always getting passed all of the time

75% of his goals were directly assisted last season, Messi 53%. He scores 2x more penalties (that other players dived) and 3x more tap-ins which other players created, not to mention the cazillion shots he takes to score those goals.

Direcly assisted lol goals are goals tap ins are not worth less neither

Also messi missed 2-3 penalties last season where ronaldo scored all maybe that is why

Messi also played more games than ronaldo with a superior team at that time

jiopsi don't waste your time with him :lol!:

xabi wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years, when cr7 when he scored 53 goals just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

Yeah, and CR7 gets a lot more help from his teammates in Madrid to his goals than Messi in Barcelona. So what's your point?

And you base that on what?

Whenever I watch barca messi is always getting passed all of the time

75% of his goals were directly assisted last season, Messi 53%. He scores 2x more penalties (that other players dived) and 3x more tap-ins which other players created, not to mention the cazillion shots he takes to score those goals.

Direcly assisted lol goals are goals tap ins are not worth less neither

Also messi missed 2-3 penalties last season where ronaldo scored all maybe that is why

Messi also played more games than ronaldo with a superior team at that time

Yeah goals are goals, true. That wasn't what you asked though.

2 missed penalties, so he didn't score those easy goals, that makes his overall even more impressive, doesn't it? I remember also àtleast 3 wrongly dissallowed goals, like freekick against sevilla and goal against Arsenal. So thats even more impressive.

Ronaldo even played more last season 4621 minutes, against 4585 minutes of Messi and got more help from his teammates.

Holy shite.

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

xabi wrote:take into account that messi has been playing with his current teammates for the past 10 years, when cr7 when he scored 53 goals just recently switched parnters(ozil,di maria) etc. And is already proven in premier league. And one of manchester uniteds best players ever.

Yeah, and CR7 gets a lot more help from his teammates in Madrid to his goals than Messi in Barcelona. So what's your point?

And you base that on what?

Whenever I watch barca messi is always getting passed all of the time

75% of his goals were directly assisted last season, Messi 53%. He scores 2x more penalties (that other players dived) and 3x more tap-ins which other players created, not to mention the cazillion shots he takes to score those goals.

Direcly assisted lol goals are goals tap ins are not worth less neither

Also messi missed 2-3 penalties last season where ronaldo scored all maybe that is why

Messi also played more games than ronaldo with a superior team at that time

Yeah goals are goals, true. That wasn't what you asked though.

2 missed penalties, so he didn't score those easy goals, that makes his overall even more impressive, doesn't it? I remember also àtleast 3 wrongly dissallowed goals, like freekick against sevilla and goal against Arsenal. So thats even more impressive.

Ronaldo even played more last season 4621 minutes, against 4585 minutes of Messi and got more help from his teammates.

Holy shite.

So your conclusion is that Messi is better than CR7, I can personally live with that, but totally hijacking the thread here.

jiopsi, its true that messi gets more support... ronaldos only linkup goal was 1 from benz while messi had like 11

to the madrid defenders (let's not quote since more than one guys replied to my post):

I'm not arguing about Ronaldo being better than Ruud, I don't even have a problem comparing them as scorers.

What is disturbing is the "way better" argument.
And yes Ruud was better in aerial game was a better poacher and had better positioning in the box.

Ronaldo is faster of course has more skill and have qualities that Ruud never had. But to say he is a WAY BETTER scorer is plain ignorance

omarish wrote:jiopsi, its true that messi gets more support... ronaldos only linkup goal was 1 from benz while messi had like 11

Directly assisted goals you get more help from teammates, than when you use your teammates to go past people. In other words Messi is architect of his own goals more than CR7 is his.

Example what is more about your teammates and what is about you?

Simple wallpass at halfway line with Busquets for you -> goal.
Dive Maria penalty dive for you -> goal.

jiopsi wrote:

omarish wrote:jiopsi, its true that messi gets more support... ronaldos only linkup goal was 1 from benz while messi had like 11

Directly assisted goals you get more help from teammates, than when you use your teammates to go past people. In other words Messi is architect of his own goals more than CR7 is his.

Example what is more about your teammates and what is about you?

Simple wallpass at halfway line with Busquets for you -> goal.
Dive Maria penalty dive for you -> goal.

It requires a chemistry ronaldo doesnt have to make those linkup goals messi keeps doing, it is quite noticable that ronaldo gets less help and im not aaying messi needs xaviesta, bcuz you dont dribble past a whole team and score with xaviestas help.

omarish wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

omarish wrote:jiopsi, its true that messi gets more support... ronaldos only linkup goal was 1 from benz while messi had like 11

Directly assisted goals you get more help from teammates, than when you use your teammates to go past people. In other words Messi is architect of his own goals more than CR7 is his.

Example what is more about your teammates and what is about you?

Simple wallpass at halfway line with Busquets for you -> goal.
Dive Maria penalty dive for you -> goal.

It requires a chemistry ronaldo doesnt have to make those linkup goals messi keeps doing, it is quite noticable that ronaldo gets less help and im not aaying messi needs xaviesta, bcuz you dont dribble past a whole team and score with xaviestas help.

Lol, yeah, you need chemistry to give a simple wall pass. Gimme a break! CR7 gets more help to his goals, and he scores more against weak opponents, or less meaningful goals if you will. Last season 11/53 of his goals came in post season, when the league was already decided. Which was actually quite funny to watch when every team mate tried to create goal just for him. Most easiest opporunity to score ever, nah lets pass it to Ronaldo.

jiopsi wrote:

omarish wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

omarish wrote:jiopsi, its true that messi gets more support... ronaldos only linkup goal was 1 from benz while messi had like 11

Directly assisted goals you get more help from teammates, than when you use your teammates to go past people. In other words Messi is architect of his own goals more than CR7 is his.

Example what is more about your teammates and what is about you?

Simple wallpass at halfway line with Busquets for you -> goal.
Dive Maria penalty dive for you -> goal.

It requires a chemistry ronaldo doesnt have to make those linkup goals messi keeps doing, it is quite noticable that ronaldo gets less help and im not aaying messi needs xaviesta, bcuz you dont dribble past a whole team and score with xaviestas help.

Lol, yeah, you need chemistry to give a simple wall pass. Gimme a break! CR7 gets more help to his goals, and he scores more against weak opponents, or less meaningful goals if you will. Last season 11/53 of his goals came in post season, when the league was already decided. Which was actually quite funny to watch when every team mate tried to create goal just for him. Most easiest opporunity to score ever, nah lets pass it to Ronaldo.

Dude, I agree with you. Believe me, if there was anyone after Di Maria I'd want to replace in our team it's without a doubt Ronaldo. He is a cancer, gets so much service yet the least clinical. Takes 200 long range shots and hits none. But wallpassing requires chemistry. Don't get me wrong but I'm not saying Messi is the worse player, but playing with the same team for a long while does give some advantages. Let's compare instead Ronaldo time in Man U where he had chemistry, I can guarantee you he is still not the better player than Messi.

So yes, Messi gets the better service. Doesn't change a squat, CR7 is not the better player.

omarish wrote:Dude, I agree with you. Believe me, if there was anyone after Di Maria I'd want to replace in our team it's without a doubt Ronaldo. He is a cancer, gets so much service yet the least clinical. Takes 200 long range shots and hits none. But wallpassing requires chemistry. Don't get me wrong but I'm not saying Messi is the worse player, but playing with the same team for a long while does give some advantages. Let's compare instead Ronaldo time in Man U where he had chemistry, I can guarantee you he is still not the better player than Messi.

So yes, Messi gets the better service. Doesn't change a squat, CR7 is not the better player.

Well, I don't agree the better service part, but there is no point to argue about that.

This thread has turned into another Messi vs Ronaldo thanks to Jiposi and his partner. great job fanboys

El Pipita wrote:This thread has turned into another Messi vs Ronaldo thanks to Jiposi and his partner. great job fanboys

Atleast read the thread properly, Adit was the first person to start talking about Messi

Jesus Christ..

Why can't this be just avoided?

Messi Fans.. He is the Best in the World. What's the point in arguing? Everybody knows it. Don't be so sensitive. Whenever CR7 is mentioned with Messi in it, it dsn't mean that people are pertaining that CR7 is the better player ffs. I don't understand the need to brag.

CR7 Fans.. The same about sensitivity. Though i agree he is kinda underrated here but it dsnt mean they are saying that he is a crap player. There are just some things that are so crappy in his game and don't be so sensitive about it when someone mentions it.

Lionel Messi wrote:Ronaldo isn't even the best goalscorer of his generation

Calling him one of the greatest goal scorers of all time when his career isn't even over is an insult to the likes of Eusebio, RvN, Gerd Muller, Puskas etc...

they played long careers but I am 100 percent sure if his career was over tomorrow
Ronaldo would still be remembered as a true legend of the game.
he has managed countless goals for clubs, guided one to the Champions League and as much as you hate to admit it
he is freakishly consistent