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Post by McLewis on Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:54 pm

@Unique wrote:
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@Unique wrote:https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18012793.beyonce-rumoured-filming-new-music-video-thamesm

Here's some racism for you from Beyonce of all people the person that Michelle Obama said everyone should look up to. She if filming in my area but only wants normal black and brown people to be in her video no white folks. Laughing


Was 2000 years of shaping humanity at the expense of everyone that wasn't white not enough exclusivity for you or something?

Whites have dominated world history for well over a 2 goddamn millennia while excluding black and brown people from literally everything that didn't involve menial, back-breaking, early death-inducing labor. I can't imagine having the audacity to feel so aggrieved when those historically oppressed black and brown people now have a platform to celebrate themselves exclusively and take that chance as soon as they get it.

What Beyonce is doing is not racism. It's not even prejudice. Both require hostility and hate. She does not hate white people.  It's simply giving a platform to black and brown people that have historically been denied one and have instead been exploited, abused, attacked, lynched, raped and thrown away like trash by........whites.

So whites don't get to exclude every other race due to their millennia-long racial superiority complex and then complain when the other races they excluded do it to them the first chance they get. It doesn't work that way. There are a whole of white folks on this board that get this. There are a whole lot of them in my personal orbit that get it. And there are just as many, like you, who I suspect, get it as well, but prefer to play provocateur and feign indignant petulance. That's pretty transparent and I have no problem calling it out every time.
i dont care who beyonce puts in her video and tbh i think people play on race far to much anyway. call me a cnut or a white cnut its all the same to me. but we both know for a fact that had a white singer donr this the world would lose its shit. and i agree that black people in the past were treated digustingly but for you to say the people that suffered years ago some how gives a rich privliged black super star like beyonce a free pass is bull shit tbh. your people were forced into being slaves my people were rounded up put into death camps and gassed to death so we have all had things hard in the past mate.


Hundreds of years ago, there was no such thing as a black rich, privileged superstar. It was literally impossible because whites didn't want my ancestors educated. They didn't want them dreaming of bigger and better things than picking cotton and whip waiting for them if they didn't meet that quota. If there was, we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's the whole point. So let's not get into a "who got oppressed worse" contest. It's not productive to the discussion.

I am curious though.....Since you think this is racist, that logic would mean you think a Hollywood movie putting out a casting call for a white actresses with blond hair and blue eyes is racist against everyone else, right?

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Post by Warrior on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:03 pm

How about both are not racism ?
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Post by McLewis on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:06 pm

Well yeah neither are racist, but I want to see if Unique will continue following the faulty logic path that has convinced him that what Beyonce did was racist.
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Post by Warrior on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:15 pm

Ok fair enough Thumbs up

How i understood Unique posts he was mocking the fact that, had Beyoncé been white, it would have been a useless scandal and that double standard is bs. I agree. If he truly thinks that makes her a racist, then i disagree.
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Post by Unique on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:26 pm

@Warrior wrote:Ok fair enough Thumbs up

How i understood Unique posts he was mocking the fact that, had Beyoncé been white, it would have been a useless scandal and that double standard is bs. I agree. If he truly thinks that makes her a racist, then i disagree.
thats exactly how i see it. Thumbs up

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Post by Unique on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:39 pm

@McLewis wrote:
@Unique wrote:
@McLewis wrote:


Was 2000 years of shaping humanity at the expense of everyone that wasn't white not enough exclusivity for you or something?

Whites have dominated world history for well over a 2 goddamn millennia while excluding black and brown people from literally everything that didn't involve menial, back-breaking, early death-inducing labor. I can't imagine having the audacity to feel so aggrieved when those historically oppressed black and brown people now have a platform to celebrate themselves exclusively and take that chance as soon as they get it.

What Beyonce is doing is not racism. It's not even prejudice. Both require hostility and hate. She does not hate white people.  It's simply giving a platform to black and brown people that have historically been denied one and have instead been exploited, abused, attacked, lynched, raped and thrown away like trash by........whites.

So whites don't get to exclude every other race due to their millennia-long racial superiority complex and then complain when the other races they excluded do it to them the first chance they get. It doesn't work that way. There are a whole of white folks on this board that get this. There are a whole lot of them in my personal orbit that get it. And there are just as many, like you, who I suspect, get it as well, but prefer to play provocateur and feign indignant petulance. That's pretty transparent and I have no problem calling it out every time.
i dont care who beyonce puts in her video and tbh i think people play on race far to much anyway. call me a cnut or a white cnut its all the same to me. but we both know for a fact that had a white singer donr this the world would lose its shit. and i agree that black people in the past were treated digustingly but for you to say the people that suffered years ago some how gives a rich privliged black super star like beyonce a free pass is bull shit tbh. your people were forced into being slaves my people were rounded up put into death camps and gassed to death so we have all had things hard in the past mate.


Hundreds of years ago, there was no such thing as a black rich, privileged superstar. It was literally impossible because whites didn't want my ancestors educated. They didn't want them dreaming of bigger and better things than picking cotton and whip waiting for them if they didn't meet that quota. If there was, we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's the whole point. So let's not get into a "who got oppressed worse" contest. It's not productive to the discussion.

I am curious though.....Since you think this is racist, that logic would mean you think a Hollywood movie putting out a casting call for a white actresses with blond hair and blue eyes is racist against everyone else, right?
im not getting into who was oppressed the worst im saying that in history every race has had bad things happen to them but it seems like the black slavery is used far to often to give people a free pass to say and do things that others would get pulled up for. its like a jewish super star singer making a video in europe but saying we dont want any germans to take part in it. does what happend in ww2 give the jews the right to hold it against the german people of today. how many germans alive today have to bear the brunt for the things the nazis did. beyonce says im making a video in london and says i want normal black and brown people in the vid. white kids ask if they can be in the video and she says no. you cant be in my video because 200 years ago white people in america had black slaves so that means you cant be in my video. thats bullshit imo. also you want to end all racism but how does beyonce picking only black and brown people help that in any way.

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Post by Unique on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:46 pm

another example would be a jewish business saying we are hiring staff but we dont want any germans.

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Post by Unique on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:52 pm

@McLewis wrote:Well yeah neither are racist, but I want to see if Unique will continue following the faulty logic path that has convinced him that what Beyonce did was racist.
i didnt convince myself what beyonce did was racist but i am convinced that if a white pop star did the same thing everyone else would say its racist. and for you to say that black people being slaves 200 years ago means beyonce can tell white people they are not welcome is crazy.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:26 am

@Unique wrote:
@VivaStPauli wrote:PS: For example, if Beyoncés video doesn't end up making the immigrant experience, or racism, it's subject, I will agree with you that not including any white people will be a dick move.
what the fuck would beyonce know about the immigrant experience, or racism over the road from me. and why would it be a dick move and not a racist move.


You do realize that films and videos more often than not aim to show a fictional world, yes? One that's not identical as the location the shoot takes place?

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Post by McLewis on Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:01 am

@Unique wrote:
@McLewis wrote:
@Unique wrote:
@McLewis wrote:


Was 2000 years of shaping humanity at the expense of everyone that wasn't white not enough exclusivity for you or something?

Whites have dominated world history for well over a 2 goddamn millennia while excluding black and brown people from literally everything that didn't involve menial, back-breaking, early death-inducing labor. I can't imagine having the audacity to feel so aggrieved when those historically oppressed black and brown people now have a platform to celebrate themselves exclusively and take that chance as soon as they get it.

What Beyonce is doing is not racism. It's not even prejudice. Both require hostility and hate. She does not hate white people.  It's simply giving a platform to black and brown people that have historically been denied one and have instead been exploited, abused, attacked, lynched, raped and thrown away like trash by........whites.

So whites don't get to exclude every other race due to their millennia-long racial superiority complex and then complain when the other races they excluded do it to them the first chance they get. It doesn't work that way. There are a whole of white folks on this board that get this. There are a whole lot of them in my personal orbit that get it. And there are just as many, like you, who I suspect, get it as well, but prefer to play provocateur and feign indignant petulance. That's pretty transparent and I have no problem calling it out every time.
i dont care who beyonce puts in her video and tbh i think people play on race far to much anyway. call me a cnut or a white cnut its all the same to me. but we both know for a fact that had a white singer donr this the world would lose its shit. and i agree that black people in the past were treated digustingly but for you to say the people that suffered years ago some how gives a rich privliged black super star like beyonce a free pass is bull shit tbh. your people were forced into being slaves my people were rounded up put into death camps and gassed to death so we have all had things hard in the past mate.


Hundreds of years ago, there was no such thing as a black rich, privileged superstar. It was literally impossible because whites didn't want my ancestors educated. They didn't want them dreaming of bigger and better things than picking cotton and whip waiting for them if they didn't meet that quota. If there was, we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's the whole point. So let's not get into a "who got oppressed worse" contest. It's not productive to the discussion.

I am curious though.....Since you think this is racist, that logic would mean you think a Hollywood movie putting out a casting call for a white actresses with blond hair and blue eyes is racist against everyone else, right?
im not getting into who was oppressed the worst im saying that in history every race has had bad things happen to them but it seems like the black slavery is used far to often to give people a free pass to say and do things that others would get pulled up for. its like a jewish super star singer making a video in europe but saying we dont want any germans to take part in it. does what happend in ww2 give the jews the right to hold it against the german people of today. how many germans alive today have to bear the brunt for the things the nazis did. beyonce says im making a video in london and says i want normal black and brown people in the vid. white kids ask if they can be in the video and she says no. you cant be in my video because 200 years ago white people in america had black slaves so that means you cant be in my video. thats bullshit imo. also you want to end all racism but how does beyonce picking only black and brown people help that in any way.

We've already established that what Beyonce did is NOT racism so this entire line of logic is irrelevant.

@Unique wrote:another example would be a jewish business saying we are hiring staff but we dont want any germans.

German is not a race so this analogy doesn't work.

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@McLewis wrote:Well yeah neither are racist, but I want to see if Unique will continue following the faulty logic path that has convinced him that what Beyonce did was racist.
i didnt convince myself what beyonce did was racist but i am convinced that if a white pop star did the same thing everyone else would say its racist. and for you to say that black people being slaves 200 years ago means beyonce can tell white people they are not welcome is crazy.

White musicians were doing this though.....60+ years ago this was all they were doing. They would play for all white crowds and would either segregate blacks or not allow them in at all. Hell, at the birth of R&B in the late 50s and throughout the 60s, whites began getting hip to black music and what did they do when they wanted to see those black stars play their music? Segregate the crowds or have these black musicians only play in front of white crowds. This is what gave rise to the "chitlin circuit", which was a tour path throughout the East and South that were accepting of black musicians. This was yet another means for the rise of the civil rights movement here.

So your whataboutism has already happened. You just seem bothered that progress in civil rights has righted that wrong.
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Post by Unique on Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:07 pm

So what your really saying is pay back is a bitch.

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Post by McLewis on Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:42 pm

@Unique wrote:So what your really saying is pay back is a bitch.


Pretty much, yeah.

All will be even in another 300 years or so.
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Post by Unique on Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:13 pm

@McLewis wrote:
@Unique wrote:So what your really saying is pay back is a bitch.


Pretty much, yeah.

All will be even in another 300 years or so.
you should have just said that in the first place. I'm down with that tbh. I can't lie I have seen plenty of things happen to some people over the last few years that made me feel all warm Inside and I did utter the words that's pay back bitch. Thumbs up

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Post by Unique on Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:36 am

@McLewis wrote:
@Unique wrote:So what your really saying is pay back is a bitch.


Pretty much, yeah.

All will be even in another 300 years or so.
sorry to bring this up again but i have one question thats been bugging me. are you also saying that all white people should be held accountable for the forced slavery of black people.

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Post by Myesyats on Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:51 am

Cmon Unique, McLewis is right, you can;t attack black people for embracing black people. No one should be held accountable but everyone should be reminded when necessary in order to move on to a better future.

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Post by Unique on Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:28 pm

@Myesyats wrote:Cmon Unique, McLewis is right, you can;t attack black people for embracing black people. No one should be held accountable but everyone should be reminded when necessary in order to move on to a better future.
I'm not attacking anyone mate I'm just interested to see how deep pay back is a bitch runs. As I said before the pay back is a bitch attitude is one I have taken many times so I can't be a hypercrit.

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Post by McLewis on Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm

It's quite all right, @Myesyats. Unique wanting to unpack this notion more is one of the reasons I created this thread. Frank discussions are needed if race relations are to be understood and improved, even if they seem counterproductive and pointless.

@Unique wrote:
@McLewis wrote:
@Unique wrote:So what your really saying is pay back is a bitch.


Pretty much, yeah.

All will be even in another 300 years or so.
sorry to bring this up again but i have one question thats been bugging me. are you also saying that all white people should be held accountable for the forced slavery of black people.

Not at all. What I'm saying is that the ancestors of the current generation of white people created and profited from the enslavement of my ancestors so when we, as descendants of those slaves, want an event to celebrate the freedoms our ancestors could only dream of, the descendants of those who enslaved them should at least try to understand that and offer their support for it instead of immediately making accusations of reverse racism and discrimination. That is as narrow-minded and near-sighted as position to take that I can think of.

So just as it's my responsibility as a descendant of slaves to remember the suffering and struggle of my ancestors, it's the responsibility of modern day descendants of those slave owners to use the inherent privilege that they are afforded due to their skin color to try and improve current race relations so that all races are truly on an equal footing in all aspects of society. Whites of the current generations have an enormous amount of influence on race relations, even if they don't feel they do. All a lot of black people want from them is to acknowledge that privilege and use it to better society around them instead of protecting themselves at the cost of black lives, like their ancestors did.
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Post by Lex Yesterday at 5:07 pm

We are all descendents of slaves in one way or another. Slavery isn't exclusive to one race, nor is it confined to one specific period of time

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Post by El Gunner Yesterday at 5:58 pm

@Lex wrote:We are all descendents of slaves in one way or another. Slavery isn't exclusive to one race, nor is it confined to one specific period of time


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Post by McLewis Today at 1:37 am

@Lex wrote:We are all descendents of slaves in one way or another. Slavery isn't exclusive to one race, nor is it confined to one specific period of time


You're correct in a very general way, of course. Literally every civilization in history has used slave labor. That's not at all up for dispute here.

What must be understood, however, is what makes American slavery wholly different from older forms of slavery is that African slaves were bought in a monetized economy. They were considered a commodity no different than tobacco and were often leased and mortgaged like a car or house respectively. Such transactions may have occured in other civilizations, but nothing approaching the sophistication and intricacy found in the American slave market. This mass privatization of African slaves in the US became the cornerstone of the American economy. This is why the Jim Crow era became a thing during Reconstruction after the Civil War and why it was so brutal and so personal for both whites and blacks. Rich whites were pissed off at losing their livelihoods (built on the backs of slaves) so they riled up poor whites to terrorize and murder these now freed blacks into the same docile submission as before. They wanted them to know that a piece of paper (the Emancipation Proclamation) meant nothing and lynching them was a good way of enforcing that. How many other cultures had massive slave economies that not only allowed, but encouraged masters to terrorize slaves they were forced to free with such relentless maliciousness?  Again, I can't think of a single civilization that did this beyond maybe the French Republic with Haiti (and those slaves ended up successfully rebelling) and even that was a lot more complicated.

So my point here is that yes, all cultures have had slavery and some still do. My focus though is on the story of my ancestors so that's where my perspectives on race relations all stem from. It doesn't mean I'm seeing this with tunnel vision. It just means that I have established where my True North is when it comes to this topic.
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Post by Unique Today at 9:05 pm

didnt a lot of rich black people also keep black slaves in america at the same time. im sure i read somewhere that lots of black people also kept black slaves but not as much infomation on this.

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