Re: Tactics and Formations Thread

[Guest]

Yes and I agree, Del Piero will take Vucinic and Quag will take Matri. Let's not forget, Quag is regarded ONLY as a Prima Punta.

He can play both CF and SS roles effectively..He was deployed as an SS in many games under Del Neri and he had a fair bit of success..He's a versatile forward..

Yes, I'm aware of that, but Conte made it clear in several interviews that Quagliarella is only going to be used as a Prima Punta. As right now, they already have Del Piero and Vucinic for that position. Nonetheless, this summer Quag has still not played in the SS role, which also shows he will most probably NOT play as an SS. But yes he is verstile and is a diverse reference point to Matri. Though Matri himself is capable of also playing as an SS though he's not as mobile when it comes to supporting going on the flanks for example as Quag can. Matri is a better finisher, better in the air and is best at finding open space. Sure, Quag is good at doing all of that too, even more spectacular at it, but Matri is more guranteed to score when supported right.

[lucianomoggi]

CONTE- JUVENTUS



CAPELO - JUVENTUS



I believe that the difference is:

- CONTE isn't using attacking minded side back
- CONTE isn't using DMF player

but he is filling the missing quality with diffrent player

[Luca]

Vucinic-Quagliarella-Elia
Marchisio-Pirlo-Vidal
Caceres-Chiellini-Barzagli-Lichtsteiner
Buffon

championship

[BoBo]

Vucinic-Quagliarella-Elia
Marchisio-Pirlo-Vidal
Caceres-Chiellini-Barzagli-Lichtsteiner
Buffon

championship

No No No completely wrong this is it

Vucinic-Quagliarella-Elia
Marchisio-Pirlo-Vidal
Chiellini-Caceres-Barzagli-Lichtsteiner
Buffon

[Luca]

lol

[DeviAngel]

FFS u are wrong ppl

Martinez-Amauri-Iaquinta
Poulsen-Tiago-Sissoko
Molinaro-Zebina-Melberg-Grygera
Chimenti

CHAMPIONSHIP AND UCL

[DeviAngel]

now jokes aside :

--------Giovinco----Quaglirella---Jovetic-----
---------Marcihsio----Pirlo----------Vidal-----
---Caceres----Chiellini---Barzagli----Lichtstainer---
----------------------Buffon---------------------------

[Luca]

Is that your dream for next season? I like it but I really want to see:
Vucinic-Quagliarella-Elia for this season at some point

[Spooony]

After watching tonight's edition of la Domenica Sportiva... They came to conclude that this formation... the 4-2-4 will look somewhat of a 4-2-1-3.

Vidal has the options to play anywhere in CM, CB, LW and RW. Don't worry, I did not exclude him.

Now don't be mistaken with Vucinic here, he is not an AM, this still implies he's playing an SS role, however the wingers are in fact placed higher than the SS. Where the two CM's play right behind to support both with creativity and defending.

The problem there is you have 2 players that is going to take up the same zones.
Inverted winger with a conventional FB or vice versa. Inverted winger will cut inside while the fullback keeps the width by staying wide. Good example is Nani and Evra of Man United. On the other side Valencia is a conventional winger and they normally used a fb that cuts inside to play with him on that side.

The idea is to pull the FB of the opposition of that flank creating the space for your FB to move into so you can create the overload.

Your second problem is 'The Italian Style'. Italian sides do not like to use width and play very narrow formations. Reason why English sides use to pull one over them was due to the pace out wide. If you play wide you need pace and looking at those legs of some of the Juve players they do not possess that.

Other thing is playing a 4-2-4 is ok but what if you face a formation of 4-3-3 which mean your opponents will have a unmarked midfielder running lose in the middle of the park cause you will sit with a 3 vs 2 situation. Pull one of the wingers off to mark that third midfielder and you lose your shape and your winger spents more time tracking that midfielder than actually attacking on his wing. Good example United vs Barcelona CL final. I also notice Vucinic behind the attackers in the middle. He likes to cut inside and is a inverted winger and he will do more damage playing out wide cutting inside. A 4-5-1 formation will suit them much better. Unfortunately I can not draw it for you as I am not allowed to post images yet otherwise I could have shown you how well it works for a narrow shape plus you still have your 3 vs 3 in the middle. 4-5-1 is almost the same as a 4-3-3 basically but the way you shape your wide men tells if it goes 4-5-1 way or 4-3-3 way. The role each player performs in your team will shape the formation more than formation that is set out on paper

[salmano9]

FFS u are wrong ppl

Martinez-Amauri-Iaquinta
Poulsen-Tiago-Sissoko
Molinaro-Zebina-Melberg-Grygera
Chimenti

CHAMPIONSHIP AND UCL

GOAT LOOL

[DeviAngel]

Juventus-Napoli : LE FORMAZIONI- Lichtsteiner fuori, Matri e Vucinic in attacco

JUVENTUS (3-5-2): Buffon; Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini; Caceres, Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio, Pepe; Matri, Vucinic.

NAPOLI (3-4-1-2): De Sanctis; Campagnaro, Cannavaro, Aronica; Maggio, Gargano, Inler, Zuniga; Hamsik, Lavezzi; Cavani.

[LWL91]

[LWL91]

[Casciavit]

Hey I know it might be unusual for a milan fan to post in the juve section but i have a question regarding your team. Since im into tactics and formations and what not. im a fan of juves 3-5-2 now my question is are Asamoah and Lichntieneter wing backs or side midfielders what do you guys consider them in your formation been wanting to know lately.

[Juveman17]

Hey I know it might be unusual for a milan fan to post in the juve section but i have a question regarding your team. Since im into tactics and formations and what not. im a fan of juves 3-5-2 now my question is are Asamoah and Lichntieneter wing backs or side midfielders what do you guys consider them in your formation been wanting to know lately.

3-5-2


Buffon

Chiellini -Barzagli-Bonucci

Asamoah-Vidal-Pirlo-Marchisio-Litch

Gio-Vucinic

[DeviAngel]

Hey I know it might be unusual for a milan fan to post in the juve section but i have a question regarding your team. Since im into tactics and formations and what not. im a fan of juves 3-5-2 now my question is are Asamoah and Lichntieneter wing backs or side midfielders what do you guys consider them in your formation been wanting to know lately.

When we attack you can see them as Wide Midfielders with defensive duties but they are WB's that tend to use and make oppositions defense more wide so the SS and the CF can do their job

[Luca]

Hey I know it might be unusual for a milan fan to post in the juve section but i have a question regarding your team. Since im into tactics and formations and what not. im a fan of juves 3-5-2 now my question is are Asamoah and Lichntieneter wing backs or side midfielders what do you guys consider them in your formation been wanting to know lately.

Interestingly enough I see Asamoah as more of a wide midfielder, but Lichtsteiner as a wingback- if this makes any sense. It's just their play styles, Lichtsteiner actually being a fullback and Asamoah being a midfielder.

Their advancing runs down their respective sides is incredibly important for Juventus' attack, we've already seen in the first two games.

First game, Lichtsteiner won a penalty, look at the position he was in. Then Asamoah assisted Lichtsteiner on a low cross (again look at Lichtsteiner's run).

Second game, Asamoah assisted Vucinic, again from a very advanced position.

This width was Conte's original vision for the team (but Pirlo gave him other ideas). It's nice to see

[S]

Bump.

[S]

Your ideal team for next season ? Just a hypothetical discussion anyway.

From my point of view,i want our team to move on from Pirlo as early as next season and considering the economic constraints,an AM for me will complete the squad otherwise ideally i would have liked 2 quality wingers in the squad.

This is how i want it to be like.More like a realistic version than a dream lineup.

4-3-1-2

Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Chiellini-Ogbonna
Marchisio
Vidal--------Pogba
Hernanes
Tevez-Llorente

Get in somebody like Menez or some other semi-decent winger on the cheap to play 4-3-3 from time to time.

What about yours ?

[lucianomoggi]

I believe that we already have really good players; so it will be difficult to make the team better than it is;

[S]

So how do you guys expect us to line-up next season?

I see 2 options

A 4-4-2(or a lopsided 4-3-3 with Matuidi as the LM as we've used quite often last season)

Something like this:

Szczesny
Cancelo-Benatia-Chiellini-Sandro
Costa-Can-Pjanić-Matuidi
Dybala-Ronaldo

Khedira instead of Can initially

Or

4-2-3-1 with Mandzukic as the LW

Szczesny
Cancelo-Benatia-Chieliini-Sandro
Pjanić-Can/Matuidi
Costa-Dybala-Mandzukic
Ronaldo

With Mandzukic and Ronaldo interchanging positions often during the game

This is just assuming with the current squad we have at our disposal

[rincon]

I think it's a waste to play a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo and play with 2 wingers who can't cross to him all that well. Costa on the right isn't as effective and he is our best crossed when on the left.

Cuadrado RW and Costa LW if we go 442. Those 2 would be devastating going wide with Dybala and the full backs going inside with Ronaldo.

Ronaldo - Dybala
Costa - Can - Pjanic - Cuadrado

Imo it's not a given that Ronaldo will function at his best level as a CF. So then Mandzukic might be necessary and we can go 433 or 4231 with Ronaldo on the left.

[lucianomoggi]

i think we play 4231
but not with idea of playing all the strikers because there are also other qualities we need to compensate for

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