The Madrid One wrote:cant believe such a shitty thread gets so many replys, specially from haters.

they are meaningless words written accross the internet that have no value and i for one wont waste my time

ToEy wrote:

babun1024 wrote:
You know, Inter sucked in CL for a looooooooooooooooong time, very long time. He got his men as cheap as possible Ibra vs. Eto'o+ cash was the deal of century ( ask any Farca fan) , Militto didn't cost a lot as well Lucio was free and the only guy he bought for real was Snejder

Dude...just saying....in Inter the deals are done/determined/planned by Moratti...thank Moratti for the ibra etoo deal...not mourinho...and btw "farca farca" are you a kid?

sportsczy wrote:
Well.. let me tell you that Phil Jackson set records that will never be broken as a coach. Ever. But he only won the best coach award once in his career and was always criticized for only winning with Michael Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe or Kobe/Gasol/Odom. he only got his due in the last 3-4 years.

I think the whole "he only won because he had the players" argument is pretty stupid. It takes great talent to win? No shit! But doe great talent always win? Not consistently. That's the key word: CONSISTENCY.

If Mou had only achieved his success with one team and one set of core players, i would've deemed the "genius" tag overstated perhaps. But he's doing it every year with 4 different teams and 4 different set of players in 4 different leagues. To me, that is undeniable proof of brilliance. And it's not like there was a transition year anywhere... immediate success in completely different circumstances with consistency.

So while his personality is not the best, Mou has to be considered a genius just based on his unique and, likely, never to be matched again CV.

JuvenelCuore wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

JuvenelCuore wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Don't argue with people that downplay Lev Yashin's greatness :lol!: I can't really respect their opinions after that frankly.

Ever heard the expression "no use crying over spilled milk ?"

Apply it. It was said in another thread, and it is my opinion. "I think, therefore I am."

Get over it. Or get a room.

When Mou leaves a club, it means he has got no influence over its future anymore Now, when a certain Rafa or Avram Grant come and mismanage everything, how is Mourinho responsible for their lapses?

You know, Inter sucked in CL for a looooooooooooooooong time, very long time. He got his men as cheap as possible Ibra vs. Eto'o+ cash was the deal of century ( ask any Farca fan) , Militto didn't cost a lot as well Lucio was free and the only guy he bought for real was Snejder
In Chelsea, he bought Essien, Drogba and changed Lampard to out and out goal scorer. Now, they were their backbone for years No denying it...

I won't mention Porto, maybe you weren't born by that time or to small ( You comments suggest that).

Present time, ever looked at the average age of Real Madrid players?
How is it what he is doing different from Wenger except he keeps his people at the club? Look at the starters: Ozil, Carvalho, Khedira ( He bought Sahin), Varane etc.
I know what you guys will say next, he works with finished products and doesn't develop anyone... Did you see Benzema last year? He was a fat overweight lazy bum. Ever saw Marcelo defending prior to Mourinho ( not only didn't he defend, he didn't know how)? Ever saw CR7 track back like in the last two clasicos?
Name me a team that managed 47% possession against full strength Farca team?

1) He won a CL with Inter. Congrats. When did I say he never won anything ?

2) The transfer deals were none of his doing. They happened during his reign, so what ? They are automatically his ?

3) I acknowledged Porto, I said it was what made his career. Besides that, nothing was impressive. Care to read ?

4) Average age of RM players ? What does that have to do with anything ? The fact a 31-year old Ricardo Cavalho followed him to Madrid ? Nice.

5) Benzema ? Did him and Mourinho not get into a scuffle ? Marcelo ? He improved. That is automatically his doing ? Prove that. Ronaldo is still the same cancer he was a year ago, even RM fans think it.

6) Name me a team that spent as much as Madrid did to get close to that possession count.

ToEy wrote:

babun1024 wrote:
You know, Inter sucked in CL for a looooooooooooooooong time, very long time. He got his men as cheap as possible Ibra vs. Eto'o+ cash was the deal of century ( ask any Farca fan) , Militto didn't cost a lot as well Lucio was free and the only guy he bought for real was Snejder

Dude...just saying....in Inter the deals are done/determined/planned by Moratti...thank Moratti for the ibra etoo deal...not mourinho...and btw "farca farca" are you a kid?

babun1024 wrote:
@kinrar

I got your point. You want to know what's the system behind Mou's attacking tactics There's none except for every attacker has to watch out for the space he's occupying to recover on time for defending when needed. It means, as long as the attackers watch out for their defensive duties, they're free to play the way they like. Another aspect is his zonal attacking game. His attackers make runs into free space but under no given pattern. Top fitness is required of course. All the team is fit, Fergie or Wenger don't do it any different( very fit players). He's got a very big emphasis on holdup play in final 3rd to create holes in opponents defence. Benzema, CR7 and Ozil were trained for it, you could see the results recently.
Now, it has benefits and problems. The problems: each match the attackers have to improvise anew to get the job done. The positive: the attack is virtually unpredictable. The system works wonders with players like Ozil and Benzema because they're creative to the bone. Di Maria's final pass or other magic moments aren't too shabby either.
Overall, to each their own, but I enjoy Real Madrid games a lot more than those from Farca because each game is very different and I get to see all kind of goals

JuvenelCuore wrote:LOL @ you calling me a child with 15 smiley-faces. Grow up kid. Get yourself "Football for Dummies." The fact you accredit Mourinho for players like Casillas and Ramos and say he is building a future is laughable.

The fact you say they are disciplined when all you need to do is pull up El Clasico highlights to disprove it speaks for itself.

Enjoy being second to "Farca."

omarish wrote:Let's not forget that as soon as Mou leaves the team he is coaching they all have been underperforming compared to when he was coaching them. (Chelsea and Inter). Porto is the only one you can't compare becouse all their players were sold.

kiranr wrote:

babun1024 wrote:
@kinrar

I got your point. You want to know what's the system behind Mou's attacking tactics There's none except for every attacker has to watch out for the space he's occupying to recover on time for defending when needed. It means, as long as the attackers watch out for their defensive duties, they're free to play the way they like. Another aspect is his zonal attacking game. His attackers make runs into free space but under no given pattern. Top fitness is required of course. All the team is fit, Fergie or Wenger don't do it any different( very fit players). He's got a very big emphasis on holdup play in final 3rd to create holes in opponents defence. Benzema, CR7 and Ozil were trained for it, you could see the results recently.
Now, it has benefits and problems. The problems: each match the attackers have to improvise anew to get the job done. The positive: the attack is virtually unpredictable. The system works wonders with players like Ozil and Benzema because they're creative to the bone. Di Maria's final pass or other magic moments aren't too shabby either.
Overall, to each their own, but I enjoy Real Madrid games a lot more than those from Farca because each game is very different and I get to see all kind of goals

Nice interpretation Babun. I dont quite understand that hold-up play part.

In general, i get it. I have seen many other top managers that have a defined attack plan and are still able to achieve defensive stability. Chaos is what has always occurred to me when i see a Mou team attacking (since Chelsea days). Dont get me wrong, i think this is a brilliant tactic, which is covering your base as you attack. However when others have managed to evolve defined attacking tactics, does it warrant Mourinho being called a genius? As i mentioned above, to each his own i suppose!

JuvenelCuore wrote:Babun, why is it that Mou is not responsible for Ronaldo's selfishness but is responsible for Marcelo's disciplined nature ?

Oh, picking and choosing I see.

Educate yourself on the structure of a debate, and then afterward football, and then reply. Preferably without immature troll faces and emoticons.

Thank you.

harhar11 wrote:

omarish wrote:Let's not forget that as soon as Mou leaves the team he is coaching they all have been underperforming compared to when he was coaching them. (Chelsea and Inter). Porto is the only one you can't compare becouse all their players were sold.

I haven't read the entire thread but didn't chelsea reach the champions league final the year after he got sacked?

babun1024 wrote:

By hold up play I mean the ability to shield and keep the ball on their own in opponents final third under pressure. It forces the opposition to defend deeper which in return eases the job of midfielders. If you bothered to watch RM you'd notice that our attackers rarely help each other out, they keep their distance to stretch their defence as far as possible but in return have to go on many one on ones or very quick counter situations

omarish wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

omarish wrote:Let's not forget that as soon as Mou leaves the team he is coaching they all have been underperforming compared to when he was coaching them. (Chelsea and Inter). Porto is the only one you can't compare becouse all their players were sold.

I haven't read the entire thread but didn't chelsea reach the champions league final the year after he got sacked?

If I remember it right he got sacked immedietly after he took them to the final. Didn't manage the final though.

kiranr wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

By hold up play I mean the ability to shield and keep the ball on their own in opponents final third under pressure. It forces the opposition to defend deeper which in return eases the job of midfielders. If you bothered to watch RM you'd notice that our attackers rarely help each other out, they keep their distance to stretch their defence as far as possible but in return have to go on many one on ones or very quick counter situations

Yeah, i have noticed the hold-up play. Top teams do the same in different ways.

One nature of Mourinho's teams that i have noticed is to move the ball vertically as quickly as possible using whatever means. In Chelsea, for example, the ball would reach the final third in such a clumsy manner and then suddenly Drogba is in on towards goal.

babun1024 wrote:

JuvenelCuore wrote:Babun, why is it that Mou is not responsible for Ronaldo's selfishness but is responsible for Marcelo's disciplined nature ?

Oh, picking and choosing I see.

Educate yourself on the structure of a debate, and then afterward football, and then reply. Preferably without immature troll faces and emoticons.

Thank you.

JuvenelCuore wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

JuvenelCuore wrote:Babun, why is it that Mou is not responsible for Ronaldo's selfishness but is responsible for Marcelo's disciplined nature ?

Oh, picking and choosing I see.

Educate yourself on the structure of a debate, and then afterward football, and then reply. Preferably without immature troll faces and emoticons.

Thank you.

Not mad at all, once again, a childish post. If anything, you are the troll who starts threads that are purposely controversial; i.e. this one, the Juventus one, the Barca one, and the list goes on. Why ? Not sure. Perhaps an inferior complex disorder, but who I am to say.

But if it makes you feel better, "I mad."

babun1024 wrote:

Peter Cech'goal kick-> Drogba was the most epic build up. Cech could really find him with a single long ball

JuvenelCuore wrote:

omarish wrote:

montecarlotwenty wrote:Let's see how he manages in one of the top leagues without hundreds of millions to spend.

Love to see how good he is at Everton or Villareal.

It's not like he coached and won a Champions League trophy with Porto... :?:

LOL good thing I said /inbeforePortoCL.

That is all Mourinho has to his name. A trophy he won years ago, and only because a Giggs (or Scholes, I forget) goal was judged offside when it was onside.

kiranr wrote:I do not want this to be about winning.

All Mourinho supporters have called him a tactical genius at one point or the other.

I am not doubting his managerial skills or motivational skills. He is great at developing a winning team.

But why is he a tactical genius? Or is he just as good as other top managers?