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Post by JuvenelCuore Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:50 pm

I love how the government goes after teenagers and what not downloading music instead of going after the child molesters, terrorists, and serial killers on the loose.

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Post by poolsupporter Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:22 pm

The xcx wrote:Oh and Id like to add that people getting caught are usually uploaders, not downloaders its impossible to authorities always to track back ur ip, since you can always use proxys, or change ur IP, if your net provider allows it.

Not true. My cousin who was contacted by Verizon was called because of downloading from a Rapidshare type site.
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Post by poolsupporter Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:23 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:I love how the government goes after teenagers and what not downloading music instead of going after the child molesters, terrorists, and serial killers on the loose.

What makes you think they aren't going after the people you mention?

Besides, this has almost nothing to do with the government as of now. It's a deal between the RIAA and ISPs.
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Post by M99 Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:24 pm

EVERYTHING (songs, movies, tv shows, games) is downloaded or a pirated CD copy. God bless England!
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Post by the xcx Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:37 pm

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The xcx wrote:Oh and Id like to add that people getting caught are usually uploaders, not downloaders its impossible to authorities always to track back ur ip, since you can always use proxys, or change ur IP, if your net provider allows it.

Not true. My cousin who was contacted by Verizon was called because of downloading from a Rapidshare type site.
trust me uploaders get twice as much butthurt from authorities, than the ones whos downloading it. Just tell ur cousin to keep a low profile for some time or change your internet provider.
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Post by JuvenelCuore Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:37 pm

poolsupporter wrote:
JuvenelCuore wrote:I love how the government goes after teenagers and what not downloading music instead of going after the child molesters, terrorists, and serial killers on the loose.

What makes you think they aren't going after the people you mention?

Besides, this has almost nothing to do with the government as of now. It's a deal between the RIAA and ISPs.

Nothing, but place more effort into it.

Like seizing atdhe.net.

Go visit the site, that is a government agency who overtook it.
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Post by poolsupporter Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:41 pm

The xcx wrote:
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The xcx wrote:Oh and Id like to add that people getting caught are usually uploaders, not downloaders its impossible to authorities always to track back ur ip, since you can always use proxys, or change ur IP, if your net provider allows it.

Not true. My cousin who was contacted by Verizon was called because of downloading from a Rapidshare type site.
trust me uploaders get twice as much butthurt from authorities, than the ones whos downloading it. Just tell ur cousin to keep a low profile for some time or change your internet provider.

Oh I know that. Sharing pirated data can land you in jail. The RIAA in the last couple of years caught a couple of people and made examples out of them. However their actions made no difference to the overall attitudes to downloads.
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Post by poolsupporter Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:44 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:
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JuvenelCuore wrote:I love how the government goes after teenagers and what not downloading music instead of going after the child molesters, terrorists, and serial killers on the loose.

What makes you think they aren't going after the people you mention?

Besides, this has almost nothing to do with the government as of now. It's a deal between the RIAA and ISPs.

Nothing, but place more effort into it.

Like seizing atdhe.net.

Go visit the site, that is a government agency who overtook it.

How are you judging their efforts though?

Finding illegal activity online is handled by some agency, while the search for other kinds of criminals are carried out by different divisions. The actions of one group have no bearing on the other. (The agencies that is)

As for atdhe.net. They just seized the domain. And rightly so, no matter how much we hate it. They made a big post mocking the USA online regarding how a single domain was seized by government so they opened up like 5 new domains in different countries. atdhenet.tv is their new domain by the way.

I have no sympathy for these people and no one should. They know what they are doing is illegal.
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Post by JuvenelCuore Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:48 pm

Oh I know atdhe has a new site and that is why it is even more of a joke and a useless effort.

Honestly, music is overpriced and artists make enough money. Sorry they do not have enough to buy their ninth car or their fifth house.
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Post by the xcx Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:58 pm

poolsupporter wrote:
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The xcx wrote:Oh and Id like to add that people getting caught are usually uploaders, not downloaders its impossible to authorities always to track back ur ip, since you can always use proxys, or change ur IP, if your net provider allows it.

Not true. My cousin who was contacted by Verizon was called because of downloading from a Rapidshare type site.
trust me uploaders get twice as much butthurt from authorities, than the ones whos downloading it. Just tell ur cousin to keep a low profile for some time or change your internet provider.

Oh I know that. Sharing pirated data can land you in jail. The RIAA in the last couple of years caught a couple of people and made examples out of them. However their actions made no difference to the overall attitudes to downloads.
The thing is it all depends where you live. The fact is that countries that is serious about illegal uploading/downloading they usually charge you, or a lawsuit, depends all whos pulling the strings. Not surprised if you end up being in jail in US. Laws do not apply to every country.
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Post by poolsupporter Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:08 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:Oh I know atdhe has a new site and that is why it is even more of a joke and a useless effort.

Honestly, music is overpriced and artists make enough money. Sorry they do not have enough to buy their ninth car or their fifth house.

Overpriced? Really? All the millions that artists make come from the live shows and concerts. They barely make enough from their releases unless they are seriously big stars. I'm friends with a number of electronic music producers who are signed to half decent labels who barely see any money when their music is released all because of the revenue sharing model.

At .99 cents for the average track, the price is not something worth complaining about.

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Post by the xcx Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:09 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:Oh I know atdhe has a new site and that is why it is even more of a joke and a useless effort.

Honestly, music is overpriced and artists make enough money. Sorry they do not have enough to buy their ninth car or their fifth house.
Its not about artists who care about the money. Industries are the top dogs in this. Same goes for gaming etc, alot of video game developers shut down their studious, because they cannot cover their budget expenses. Alot of good studios do not develop games to pc, so instead they develop to console. Or they do like Capcom and Ubisoft does. They publish games first in console, meaning that they intend to get the profit from consoles, and they think about releasing the game to pc later.
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Post by poolsupporter Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:11 pm

The xcx wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
The xcx wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
The xcx wrote:Oh and Id like to add that people getting caught are usually uploaders, not downloaders its impossible to authorities always to track back ur ip, since you can always use proxys, or change ur IP, if your net provider allows it.

Not true. My cousin who was contacted by Verizon was called because of downloading from a Rapidshare type site.
trust me uploaders get twice as much butthurt from authorities, than the ones whos downloading it. Just tell ur cousin to keep a low profile for some time or change your internet provider.

Oh I know that. Sharing pirated data can land you in jail. The RIAA in the last couple of years caught a couple of people and made examples out of them. However their actions made no difference to the overall attitudes to downloads.
The thing is it all depends where you live. The fact is that countries that is serious about illegal uploading/downloading they usually charge you, or a lawsuit, depends all whos pulling the strings. Not surprised if you end up being in jail in US. Laws do not apply to every country.

Absolutely. I like that the North American laws made me go the right direction towards my internet activity. Illegal downloading is too widespread to expect one change in laws to completely eradicate it.
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Post by Albiceleste Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:42 am

I believe if they catch you after they warn you they can terminate your service.

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Post by the xcx Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:15 am

Lionel Messi wrote:I believe if they catch you after they warn you they can terminate your service.
You mean like cut down the internet? Yes they can do that, infact France is already doing it I think.
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Post by Shamirr Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:57 am

I see nothing wrong with Sharing Music, movies, tv shows etc... It comes down to everyone having access to the information. I think if you can't afford it then it's cool, Pirate away! The second you can, you need to man up and make your Pirated collection legit. That's what I've done. When I was in HS and Uni I couldn't afford crap, but I still loved movies and Music, So I pirated. Now that I work I've been buying everything I pirated. It's costing me a ton, but now I can pay for what gives me joy...

Oh and the Movie industry doesn't make as much money as you would think from DVD sales (money is made it's just not spread out)so Watch Movies at the Cinema to truly show your support...
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Post by KMD Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:33 am

remember how it used to be? 1 guy buys a CD and then the whole block has it...
today its the same thing, but the whole world has it.... sharing Smile

but, ye. I got a warning from comcast, for some movie downloaded... so i stopped downloading other movies... and stopped sharing the rest

i read up, that the whole thing is being discussed and mostly they track down seeders! And shoot them warnings.... no serious action has taken place!!! yet!
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Post by poolsupporter Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:35 am

Shamirr wrote:I see nothing wrong with Sharing Music, movies, tv shows etc... It comes down to everyone having access to the information. I think if you can't afford it then it's cool, Pirate away! The second you can, you need to man up and make your Pirated collection legit. That's what I've done. When I was in HS and Uni I couldn't afford crap, but I still loved movies and Music, So I pirated. Now that I work I've been buying everything I pirated. It's costing me a ton, but now I can pay for what gives me joy...

Oh and the Movie industry doesn't make as much money as you would think from DVD sales (money is made it's just not spread out)so Watch Movies at the Cinema to truly show your support...

^^ That's like saying if you can't afford a shirt, go out and steal it.
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Post by KMD Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:43 am

no its not.... its more like sharing a bottle of water after a game of football with your mate
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Post by the xcx Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:50 am

Shamirr wrote:I see nothing wrong with Sharing Music, movies, tv shows etc... It comes down to everyone having access to the information. I think if you can't afford it then it's cool, Pirate away! The second you can, you need to man up and make your Pirated collection legit. That's what I've done. When I was in HS and Uni I couldn't afford crap, but I still loved movies and Music, So I pirated. Now that I work I've been buying everything I pirated. It's costing me a ton, but now I can pay for what gives me joy...

Oh and the Movie industry doesn't make as much money as you would think from DVD sales (money is made it's just not spread out)so Watch Movies at the Cinema to truly show your support...
Usually the uploaders leave a message like " If you really like the product, then you should support the developers/industry" meaning that you are supposed to buy the product afterwards.
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Post by poolsupporter Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:00 am

KMD wrote:no its not.... its more like sharing a bottle of water after a game of football with your mate

How the hell do you get to that conclusion? There are multiple copies of a file as opposed to a single bottle of water.
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Post by KMD Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:07 am

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KMD wrote:no its not.... its more like sharing a bottle of water after a game of football with your mate

How the hell do you get to that conclusion? There are multiple copies of a file as opposed to a single bottle of water.

it depends on how you look at it, if you buy a movie, can't you set it up on a big tv and let 100 people watch it?
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Post by poolsupporter Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:30 am

KMD wrote:
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KMD wrote:no its not.... its more like sharing a bottle of water after a game of football with your mate

How the hell do you get to that conclusion? There are multiple copies of a file as opposed to a single bottle of water.

it depends on how you look at it, if you buy a movie, can't you set it up on a big tv and let 100 people watch it?

Yeah, but they don't get to keep copies.
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Post by RedOranje Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:53 am

The shirt analogy is probably closer to the truth than the water... but neither is quite accurate.
When a shirt is taken it's stolen... gone from the original place and now solely in the possession of the "thief."
When a computer file is shared a new copy is created. Nothing is stolen or removed from the original possessor's grasp.


Still, paying for whatever DVD, game, or music you want is always the better option. A) it's the morally correct thing to do and (B) It shows the producing company that the product is worth supporting and continuing.
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Post by poolsupporter Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:11 am

The way I was looking at:

A single file can be copied and duplicated to make a number of copies. This is similar to rack of similar shirts at a store.
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Post by the xcx Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:19 am

RedOranje wrote:The shirt analogy is probably closer to the truth than the water... but neither is quite accurate.
When a shirt is taken it's stolen... gone from the original place and now solely in the possession of the "thief."
When a computer file is shared a new copy is created. Nothing is stolen or removed from the original possessor's grasp.


Still, paying for whatever DVD, game, or music you want is always the better option. A) it's the morally correct thing to do and (B) It shows the producing company that the product is worth supporting and continuing.
Debatable. Thats why most of the files are copyrighted. Lets say you make a copy of a original movie and share it with your friends, whan the law exactly says that you are not allowed modify or make a copy out of it, it still can qualify as a theft.
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