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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:58 am

Great game against Utd. Jude and Vini were marvellous. Fran is such a breath of fresh air. Wish we could uppgrade on Dani too.

We need to sell Mendy. Would hate to fall back on him if Fran ever got injured.

Sad seeing Casemiro on the other side Sad Varane is such a meh player, Utd will learn it the hard way
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Post by Turok_TTZ Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:57 am

Certainly feels like carlo is revisiting milan tactics going by this preseason. And that's not a bad thing tbh.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:16 am

We'll see how it holds up when the season starts. Like how we are pressing aggressively. Our pressing was pathetic against City.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:36 pm



Strong line up minus the one player. Hopefully we get to see them for more than 45 minutes this time.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:00 pm

Despite the scoreline we've actually played pretty well today. The midfield has been excellent but I really need to see more from Valverde. He isn't doing anything othet than recycling the ball. Tcho and Camavinga have been excellent. Bellingham has played pretty well. Vini's been very unlucky. Playing a new role now so he will start shooting more. He has already taken 6 shots today. Soon the goals will flush in.

Mendy fcks our whole pressing game. Hope we never see him again.
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Post by Adit Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:08 am

Carlo is found out by possession based teams. It doesn't matter we replaced the midfield with most physically super players we are still not winning the ball high up or creating any pressing trap.

The less said about our build up the better. The moment Alaba get the ball it is destined to reach opposition feet.

We will get smoked by possession styles like City and Barca.

Carlo has not adapted to the modern game and if we are serious we need a coach who knows modern game , we will be wasting a golden generation otherwise.

How is Barca able to anticipate our passes? It is coaching . How they are able to press the ball into alaba and then force a hoof from Curtois ? We didn't force Ter Stegen once in the game. Because Carlo doesn't send bodies upfront with confidence, always half arsed pressing with huge disconnect between defense and attack .


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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:25 am

To get the pressing to work you need players who are comitted to carrying it out. We don't have that commitment from a few of our players. And it's alot of initiatives players take which opens us up because we haven't got a systematic way of closing down. When Balde runs at us he has the whole field to himself to get to Dani but when Fran has the ball the whole left wing is clogged up.

I honestly don't know how we can shore up the defence. I am at a loss of words, we are looking just as bad now as we did against Girona when we conceded 4 goals. I honestly have no idea how we can solve it. Because individually our players are playing really well but you still see huge gaps everywhere and us not getting close to second balls etc.

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Post by Adit Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:45 am

I think we are on the same page. Our team lacks pressing because Ancelotti has no idea how to win the ball back making the forwards run after 5 players and getting gassed out . We saw it against city and now saw it against Barca. 3 /4players chasing the back 6 of Barca to win the ball back and get tired


Barca defend systematically , just like city did , come back quick, anticipate , close down space TOGETHER instead individually to not chasing shadows.

Carlo is totally clueless at this. Xavi, pep etc will toy with him if not for the individual brilliance which we have. Our new midfield is the most physically powerful midifled in the entire world by a. Mile . And they can't win the ball back by executing a pressing trap . It has nothing to do with modric or kroos ( who are past it and shouldn't play) . We replaced them with new blood and they had to sweat alot to win the ball back getting 2 yellow in first half itself.
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Post by Turok_TTZ Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:51 am

Adit wrote:Carlo is found out by possession based teams. It doesn't matter we replaced the midfield with most physically super players we are still not winning the ball high up or creating any pressing trap.

The less said about our build up the better. The moment Alaba get the ball it is destined to reach opposition feet.

We will get smoked by possession styles like City and Barca.

Carlo has not adapted to the modern game and if we are serious we need a coach who knows modern game , we will be wasting a golden generation otherwise.

How is Barca able to anticipate our passes? It is coaching . How they are able to press the ball into alaba and then force a hoof from Curtois ? We didn't force Ter Stegen once in the game. Because Carlo doesn't send bodies upfront with confidence, always half arsed pressing with huge disconnect between defense and attack .


That's quite a hot take considering it's only preseason.

Xavi's fools are using the same system from last season while we're trying out a brand new system that our players are trying to learn. It's a learning process as shown as today. Chill out

This same farsa got humiliated by arsenal not too long ago. I'm the least bit concerned.
If I'm concerned about anything, it's the two fullbacks. The 4312 requires both fbs to be great to work.
Dani and mendy need to step it up. mendy in particular  is leaving a lot to be desired and due to the formation it does have the potential to affect our whole game. Same for dani. It is more difficult to defend the flanks with only one person vs the 2 that we're used to from the 433/442

But it's still preseason and we're taking it one step at a time. Everyone will learn their roles in due course.
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Post by Turok_TTZ Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:06 am

And mendy is hurt again. Of all the...

Fine, y'all win. #MendyOut.

How the hell does this guy get hurt so often? At this point he can't be relied on.
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Post by Cyborg Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:31 am

I really dislike Bellingham as a 10.

His game wasted. Maybe it'll get better with matches

Vini needs to stay out wide where he is most dangerous. I don't want him thinking too much. He doesn't have that striker's brain where he can play inside.

Rodrygo can play inside well. But he should have a real centre forward to play with.

That Benzema hole is gaping

The midfield needs a Kroos or Modric to bring the control and experience until Cama and Tchouameni can do it on there own
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Post by Cyborg Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:42 am

Like I said.

The formation with Bellingham as a 10 isn't working. Albeit preseason.

The players look confused when they don't have the ball.

With the ball, they just play it long. Terrible to watch.

Go back to the 433 with vini and valverde wide with Rodrygo as the 9.

Three in the middle, with Cama holding. Two next to him, Kroos and Bellingham.
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:46 am

Imo Rodrygo is far too soft to work as a 9. I also don't like Bellingham at 10, he doesn't have the required skillset to play that position. That position is basically begging for Rodrygo but he doesn't work hard in defence so it probably won't work.

I still think we can make 442 work if we move down Bellingham to CM and have someone like Guler at the tip of that diamond

Fran has given us a new dimension on the left unfortunately we don't have a similar player on the right which makes us pretty predictable.
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Post by Cyborg Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:17 am

Bellingham isn't Zidane.

He doesn't have the vision nor the technical abilities to play as a 10.

Play him in the centre.

Yea, Rodrygo might work as a 10. But not in a 4312.

Two of the best wide players in Vini and Rodrygo are being stifled in this system. And there's no striker.

Makes for terrible viewing.
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