Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
+5
Firenze
Great Leader Sprucenuce
BarrileteCosmico
RealGunner
Babun
9 posters
Page 1 of 2
Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2
Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck
The hardware underneath blows Switch completly out of the water. You can run Doom on it.
IGN hand on test:
The hardware underneath blows Switch completly out of the water. You can run Doom on it.
IGN hand on test:
Babun- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7221
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
It actually has good games compared to switch
RealGunner- Admin
- Club Supported :
Posts : 89513
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
RealGunner wrote:It actually has good games compared to switch
It's a PCP, a Personal Computer Portable. Steam doesn't to call the device a handheld. They used the distribution and desktop environment I use for linux (archlinux+KDE plasma) but you could install windows 10 and run with it. Everything works out of the box.
Babun- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7221
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Hmm not sure about the title. I feel like they're giving a nintendo product but their target market is more adults gamers that are likelier to be on ps/xbox/PC.
And is there really a need for a handheld device in this market or do they prefer the immersive "docked" experience ?
And is there really a need for a handheld device in this market or do they prefer the immersive "docked" experience ?
BarrileteCosmico- Admin
- Club Supported :
Posts : 28336
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 34
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Hmm not sure about the title. I feel like they're giving a nintendo product but their target market is more adults gamers that are likelier to be on ps/xbox/PC.
And is there really a need for a handheld device in this market or do they prefer the immersive "docked" experience ?
it's a handheld gaming PC. you can just use it as a PC if you want which is the selling point. But the drawback is 720p gaming.
Not sure if streaming is possible in 1080p?
RealGunner- Admin
- Club Supported :
Posts : 89513
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
We've been through this before with people trying to attack Nintendo in the mobile/handheld space.
Most of the people who buy a Switch do not and will not give a fuck about this and thus it won't impact them in the slightest.
There's a reason they've dominated everyone who tries to compete with them in that space for 30+ years.
Most of the people who buy a Switch do not and will not give a fuck about this and thus it won't impact them in the slightest.
There's a reason they've dominated everyone who tries to compete with them in that space for 30+ years.
Great Leader Sprucenuce- Forum Legend
- Club Supported :
Posts : 68989
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 34
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
diff markets completely tbh, sure this thing shits on the switch spec wise but just look at how the new Switch OLED model is selling out of pre-orders everywhere...people are clamoring for a console with the switch specs...with a fucking OLED screen that costs $50 more and no real upgrades...5 years after release its getting a price rise not a discount. It's ridiculous. Skyward Sword a $60 port of a 10 year old game lmao.
Switch audience built different. Nintendo will dominate the handheld market due to their games and fanbase.
Switch audience built different. Nintendo will dominate the handheld market due to their games and fanbase.
Firenze- the Bloody-Nine
- Club Supported :
Posts : 34390
Join date : 2012-04-25
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Firenze wrote:diff markets completely tbh, sure this thing shits on the switch spec wise but just look at how the new Switch OLED model is selling out of pre-orders everywhere...people are clamoring for a console with the switch specs...with a fucking OLED screen that costs $50 more and no real upgrades...5 years after release its getting a price rise not a discount. It's ridiculous. Skyward Sword a $60 port of a 10 year old game lmao.
Switch audience built different. Nintendo will dominate the handheld market due to their games and fanbase.
women and children
RealGunner- Admin
- Club Supported :
Posts : 89513
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Most of the people who buy a Switch do not and will not give a fuck about this and thus it won't impact them in the slightest.
Yup
Lord Awesome- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 6111
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 36
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
RealGunner wrote:Firenze wrote:diff markets completely tbh, sure this thing shits on the switch spec wise but just look at how the new Switch OLED model is selling out of pre-orders everywhere...people are clamoring for a console with the switch specs...with a fucking OLED screen that costs $50 more and no real upgrades...5 years after release its getting a price rise not a discount. It's ridiculous. Skyward Sword a $60 port of a 10 year old game lmao.
Switch audience built different. Nintendo will dominate the handheld market due to their games and fanbase.
women and children
People who don't pay themselves
Babun- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7221
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:We've been through this before with people trying to attack Nintendo in the mobile/handheld space.
Most of the people who buy a Switch do not and will not give a fuck about this and thus it won't impact them in the slightest.
There's a reason they've dominated everyone who tries to compete with them in that space for 30+ years.
This, I will occasionally own a nintendo console, and it'll be because of nintendo games.
Sometimes I don't want to skullfuck demons as the Doomslayer, sometimes I want to play with yarn balls as Yoshi or have child-friendly adventures with Link.
Most of the time, though, it's crushing skulls on the PC, let's be honest.
But you won't really scratch nintendo much as long as they got their exclusives.
VivaStPauli- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 9030
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 40
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
The best thing about this is the development boost Linux Proton will get. It has come leaps and bounds for few years now, as you can play most Windows games in Linux already out of box. But this will probably make it a standard for developers. You can already play Skyrim in Linux, but I'm sure Todd will try to officially sell one for this device.
I tried to make a switch from Windows ransomware to Linux last year, but it still wasn't quite there yet. Hopefully next year...
Also Valve not going to pay any Windows licenses.
I tried to make a switch from Windows ransomware to Linux last year, but it still wasn't quite there yet. Hopefully next year...
Also Valve not going to pay any Windows licenses.
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Does Linux Proton run Windows games through an emulator?Harmonica wrote:The best thing about this is the development boost Linux Proton will get. It has come leaps and bounds for few years now, as you can play most Windows games in Linux already out of box. But this will probably make it a standard for developers. You can already play Skyrim in Linux, but I'm sure Todd will try to officially sell one for this device.
I tried to make a switch from Windows ransomware to Linux last year, but it still wasn't quite there yet. Hopefully next year...
Also Valve not going to pay any Windows licenses.
If so what % performance hit should we expect?
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Proton is a compability layer between Windows games and Linux, not an emulator. It works as easily, as selecting beta-version of the game in Steam, although in some cases you'll need some additional tweaking.danyjr wrote:Does Linux Proton run Windows games through an emulator?Harmonica wrote:The best thing about this is the development boost Linux Proton will get. It has come leaps and bounds for few years now, as you can play most Windows games in Linux already out of box. But this will probably make it a standard for developers. You can already play Skyrim in Linux, but I'm sure Todd will try to officially sell one for this device.
I tried to make a switch from Windows ransomware to Linux last year, but it still wasn't quite there yet. Hopefully next year...
Also Valve not going to pay any Windows licenses.
If so what % performance hit should we expect?
There's some performance hit because of the additional layer, but Linux itself runs faster which balances it little. I haven't done any testing, there's probably benchmarks available.
But because it's highly evolving, the benchmarks probably evolve also.
Biggest problem currently in it are anticheat softwares, which weren't working in Linux, at least last time I tried it. Which affects multiplayer games.
Here's Proton game database: https://www.protondb.com/
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Harmonica wrote:Proton is a compability layer between Windows games and Linux, not an emulator. It works as easily, as selecting beta-version of the game in Steam, although in some cases you'll need some additional tweaking.danyjr wrote:Does Linux Proton run Windows games through an emulator?Harmonica wrote:The best thing about this is the development boost Linux Proton will get. It has come leaps and bounds for few years now, as you can play most Windows games in Linux already out of box. But this will probably make it a standard for developers. You can already play Skyrim in Linux, but I'm sure Todd will try to officially sell one for this device.
I tried to make a switch from Windows ransomware to Linux last year, but it still wasn't quite there yet. Hopefully next year...
Also Valve not going to pay any Windows licenses.
If so what % performance hit should we expect?
There's some performance hit because of the additional layer, but Linux itself runs faster which balances it little. I haven't done any testing, there's probably benchmarks available.
But because it's highly evolving, the benchmarks probably evolve also.
Biggest problem currently in it are anticheat softwares, which weren't working in Linux, at least last time I tried it. Which affects multiplayer games.
Here's Proton game database: https://www.protondb.com/
Who would've thought Archlinux and KDE Plasma would pave the way?
Me
Steam Deck can build by 3rd party so expect versions with more power, looks and customasations.
Babun- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7221
Join date : 2011-06-05
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Yeah Windows like experience is the key of making the transition to Linux more popular. I tried KDE Neon which probably is the most Windows like. When all of my games work on Linux I'll make transition to it. I'll still have few programs which will only work on Windows, but I can just have it on USB-stick by then.Babun wrote:Harmonica wrote:Proton is a compability layer between Windows games and Linux, not an emulator. It works as easily, as selecting beta-version of the game in Steam, although in some cases you'll need some additional tweaking.danyjr wrote:
Does Linux Proton run Windows games through an emulator?
If so what % performance hit should we expect?
There's some performance hit because of the additional layer, but Linux itself runs faster which balances it little. I haven't done any testing, there's probably benchmarks available.
But because it's highly evolving, the benchmarks probably evolve also.
Biggest problem currently in it are anticheat softwares, which weren't working in Linux, at least last time I tried it. Which affects multiplayer games.
Here's Proton game database: https://www.protondb.com/
Who would've thought Archlinux and KDE Plasma would pave the way?
Me
Steam Deck can build by 3rd party so expect versions with more power, looks and customasations.
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Harmonica wrote:Yeah Windows like experience is the key of making the transition to Linux more popular. I tried KDE Neon which probably is the most Windows like. When all of my games work on Linux I'll make transition to it. I'll still have few programs which will only work on Windows, but I can just have it on USB-stick by then.Babun wrote:Harmonica wrote:
Proton is a compability layer between Windows games and Linux, not an emulator. It works as easily, as selecting beta-version of the game in Steam, although in some cases you'll need some additional tweaking.
There's some performance hit because of the additional layer, but Linux itself runs faster which balances it little. I haven't done any testing, there's probably benchmarks available.
But because it's highly evolving, the benchmarks probably evolve also.
Biggest problem currently in it are anticheat softwares, which weren't working in Linux, at least last time I tried it. Which affects multiplayer games.
Here's Proton game database: https://www.protondb.com/
Who would've thought Archlinux and KDE Plasma would pave the way?
Me
Steam Deck can build by 3rd party so expect versions with more power, looks and customasations.
KDE Neon uses Ubuntu -> Debian deriviate as backbone. Archlinux is a much better backbone. If you've got problems installing clean Archlinux you could try Manjaro KDE Plasma edition. Give it a try you'll notice soon Ubuntu has always been garbage. Linux Mint tried to work around Ubuntu's flaws all the time.
Babun- Fan Favorite
- Club Supported :
Posts : 7221
Join date : 2011-06-05
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
A game changer? It virtually is a pocket gaming PC.
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
It's the final push for Linux gaming in general I think, which excites me. Personally I'm not that interested in pocket gaming PC factor, although it looks a well made device.danyjr wrote:A game changer? It virtually is a pocket gaming PC.
Already bearing fruit: https://www.techspot.com/news/90634-amd-valve-developing-improved-linux-cpu-driver-benefit.html
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
I really hope Steam Deck is successful on a commercial level and sets a new trend.
Everything looks surprisingly promising so far. My big worry is not so much the FPS or the resolution but battery. Can it last 3 hours while playing an intensive game? I hope so.
Everything looks surprisingly promising so far. My big worry is not so much the FPS or the resolution but battery. Can it last 3 hours while playing an intensive game? I hope so.
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Here's good explanation how Proton works.
Those Windows game that run on Vulkan natively should work better on Linux, example RDR2:
Those Windows game that run on Vulkan natively should work better on Linux, example RDR2:
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Multiplayer Easy Anti-Cheat and Battle Eye coming on Linux Proton confirmed. That's be the last big step up for Linux gaming, and now that promised 100% Steam library support wont be that far off.
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
64GB is the best model now at 419€, then throw in 1TB 175€ SSD, 85€ cheaper than the 512GB model
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=4832_3%7E4836_4
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Re: Steam Deck = Full Frontal Assault on Nintendo Switch
Some Q&A
How Much VRAM does Steam Deck have?
Steam Deck has 16 gigabyte of unified memory. One gigabyte that's dedicated for the GPU, but depending on workload the GPU can access up to 8 GB.
Does Deck only support full screen mode?
The Steam Deck will automatically run games in full-screen by default. However, if you drop to desktop, you can run games in windowed mode.
Do you plan to release SteamOS as a standalone, general-purpose operating system?
We definitely plan on releasing SteamOS as a separate operating system. We don't have exact timing on that. We're really focused on making sure that Steam Deck is a great experience, and we'll release it for other hardware soon.
Does Deck support installing software from outside of Steam and can you use it with Proton?
Yes. You can install and add any game like you would on the Steam desktop. Just install the application and then add it to Steam from desktop mode and it'll show up just like it would on any PC.
Is Steam working closely with leading game engine developers, like Epic Games and Unity on Steam Deck?
Yes, we're working with both Unity and Epic on making sure Unreal and Unity engines have integrations that make the development experience for Deck as smooth as possible. And going forward we expect there will be improvements rolling into those engines over time to further integrate with our development tools and to make those engines a great target for Steam Deck. Already there's a pretty good experience for Unity and Unreal developers from the start.
You mentioned that you're talking with Unity and Epic, are you also talking to Godot?
Yes, we're talking to Godot as well and are actively supporting them and want their engine to work well with Steam Deck.
How many sound channels does Steam Deck support?
We support two when using the onboard speakers, but we support multi-channel when using HDMI or Bluetooth.
Will there be a way to install external apps on Deck without going into dev mode?
Yes. You'll be able to install external apps via Flatpak or other software without going into developer mode.
How Much VRAM does Steam Deck have?
Steam Deck has 16 gigabyte of unified memory. One gigabyte that's dedicated for the GPU, but depending on workload the GPU can access up to 8 GB.
Does Deck only support full screen mode?
The Steam Deck will automatically run games in full-screen by default. However, if you drop to desktop, you can run games in windowed mode.
Do you plan to release SteamOS as a standalone, general-purpose operating system?
We definitely plan on releasing SteamOS as a separate operating system. We don't have exact timing on that. We're really focused on making sure that Steam Deck is a great experience, and we'll release it for other hardware soon.
Does Deck support installing software from outside of Steam and can you use it with Proton?
Yes. You can install and add any game like you would on the Steam desktop. Just install the application and then add it to Steam from desktop mode and it'll show up just like it would on any PC.
Is Steam working closely with leading game engine developers, like Epic Games and Unity on Steam Deck?
Yes, we're working with both Unity and Epic on making sure Unreal and Unity engines have integrations that make the development experience for Deck as smooth as possible. And going forward we expect there will be improvements rolling into those engines over time to further integrate with our development tools and to make those engines a great target for Steam Deck. Already there's a pretty good experience for Unity and Unreal developers from the start.
You mentioned that you're talking with Unity and Epic, are you also talking to Godot?
Yes, we're talking to Godot as well and are actively supporting them and want their engine to work well with Steam Deck.
How many sound channels does Steam Deck support?
We support two when using the onboard speakers, but we support multi-channel when using HDMI or Bluetooth.
Will there be a way to install external apps on Deck without going into dev mode?
Yes. You'll be able to install external apps via Flatpak or other software without going into developer mode.
Harmonica- World Class Contributor
- Club Supported :
Posts : 14228
Join date : 2011-06-07
Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2
Similar topics
» Nintendo Switch
» All hands on deck, Barca being robbed yet another league.
» The Nintendo 3DS Thread
» The Nintendo Appreciation Thread
» Steam Summer Sale:
» All hands on deck, Barca being robbed yet another league.
» The Nintendo 3DS Thread
» The Nintendo Appreciation Thread
» Steam Summer Sale:
Page 1 of 2
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
|
|
Yesterday at 10:39 pm by futbol_bill
» Mbappe to Real Madrid - Official
Yesterday at 8:41 pm by farfan
» GL NBA fantasy 24-25
Yesterday at 6:21 pm by Warrior
» The official Tennis thread
Yesterday at 5:39 pm by El Gunner
» General Games Discussion
Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:42 pm by Thimmy
» MLS-thread
Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:23 am by Harmonica
» La Liga 2024/25
Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:17 pm by titosantill
» The US Politics Thread
Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:23 pm by Myesyats
» The Official Dwayne Wade <<<<<< you thread
Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:18 am by Vibe
» Premier League 2024/25
Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:54 pm by BarcaLearning
» Iniesta
Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:01 pm by Nanihajji
» Serie A 2024/2025
Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:45 pm by Robespierre
» Dani Carvajal
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:08 pm by futbol_bill