Jay29 wrote:Klopp needs to give him a hand, though. His tactics have been suicidal so far.

After City shipped five at home to Leicester and now Pool conceding seven, I'm wondering if the short pre-season has messed up these teams physically. Since they defend in a way that leaves so much space to manage, if they're off on their timing and covering by just a bit they're in trouble. Defenders having to defend all that space will make more errors.

Might explain why there have been so many goals in the PL. Lots of teams trying to do high blocks and high lines but physically unable to sustain it.

that sums it up and well said. I am curious about the number of sprints Liverpool are able to do per game in the beginning of this new season. Usually Liverpool are the highest among EPL teams. I am sure the expert at Liverpool will be analysing this data in this international break.

I am being harsh on Firmino. He is a much better player than Pedro. But that's besides the overall point, which is one I stand by

Hapless_Hans wrote:As I said, at some point you will need to get over it.

Klopp is a brilliant coach compared to Ole, it's not controversial really and not a reason for rolling your eyes. I'm sure you will be able to live with this reality somehow.

This I agree with, and has never been suggested to be controversial. However, I think you're distracting from the topic of which I rolled my eyes, which is Helmer taking time out of his day to give you an in-depth analysis of what supposedly makes Klopp so brilliant, which is more than I've ever done for Ole.

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BarcaLearning wrote:Looool, this could be an historic night, unless Mou feels some pity and tells his players to stop scoring?

calma, your 8-2 from this yr won't be surpassed, don't worry.

conceding 6 to spurs or 7 to Aston Villa (liverpool) is up there

Thimmy wrote:Why not? I don't call you and Helmer out on your father complex with Klopp If I had a penny for every time Helmer regurgitates Klopp's supposed brilliance, I would've bought a striker for Real Madrid.

As for the Hertha match, I'd say it was a thrashing up until they started fighting back

well what
I just mention Klopp when sometimes opposition fans end up overrating Liverpool players.

Spoiler:

Thimmy wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:As I said, at some point you will need to get over it.

Klopp is a brilliant coach compared to Ole, it's not controversial really and not a reason for rolling your eyes. I'm sure you will be able to live with this reality somehow.

This I agree with, and has never been suggested to be controversial. However, I think you're distracting from the topic of which I rolled my eyes, which is Helmer taking time out of his day to give you an in-depth analysis of what supposedly makes Klopp so brilliant, which is more than I've ever done for Ole.

I just give you guys the facts

It's not like I specifically read through your posts for comments on Klopp, which Hans might suggest. He's got a stalker complex I just can't help but notice that you tend to big up Klopp out of nowhere on match days. Hans also used to do it I feel like I've been reading the same stuff about his supposed man management and whatnot multiple times on here.

I don't think it's necessary to point out what a brilliant manager Klopp is. I have nothing else to add to that. As for Ole, I've never had any strong opinions regarding his management and general improvement ability, but Hans is right in pointing out that I've been quite defensive about him. Not necessarily because I like or support him in any way, but I strongly disagree with him becoming a scapegoat for absolutely everything, and I don't understand why people have such one-track minds.

Arquitecto wrote:And its time to put out that van Dijk has been fucking trash this season.

Already slowly he let the wins get to his head and now he has the idea he is Baresi with the ball whereas quite simply he isn't as good with the ball as he thinks.

Best CB in the world and there is no arguing that but I hope Klopp bitchslaps him back onto earth and stop being arrogant as he is.

has never been the same since Nelson messed him up at the Emirates few months back

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Thimmy wrote:It's not like I specifically read through your posts for comments on Klopp, which Hans might suggest. He's got a stalker complex I just can't help but notice that you tend to big up Klopp out of nowhere on match days. Hans also used to do it I feel like I've been reading the same stuff about his supposed man management and whatnot multiple times on here.

I don't think it's necessary to point out what a brilliant manager Klopp is. I have nothing else to add to that. As for Ole, I've never had any strong opinions regarding his management and general improvement ability, but Hans is right in pointing out that I've been quite defensive about him. Not necessarily because I like or support him in any way, but I strongly disagree with him becoming a scapegoat for absolutely everything, and I don't understand why people have such one-track minds.

I agree with the last part although I have little knowledge about the club's actual internal functioning. Utd have bigger problems than Ole alone. They need to slowly revamp the complete system with which the club operates. Neville has explained it very nicely in some of sky programs.

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Nishankly wrote:

Doc wrote:Best CF in the world against the ball? Alright. Didn't know we were adding specific best of categories.

No one is sitting here calling Firmino the best striker in the world or the best goal scorer.

You asked "He brings those things that can't be measured through statistics and actual output."

Now you can't understand when you have someone actually takes the time out to explain, Stop Doc.

Hans explanation (as lovely as it was) is something I have read countless times for forwards/strikers who simply cannot do what they are supposed to do: score goals. Raul had that same explanation, Torres, Benzema during the season he scored less than 10, etc. Call it cynicism I guess.

Unlike you who always gets a bit prissy whenever anyone criticizes a Pool player, I actually was serious and genuine in my remark. Firmino does something that cannot be measured through statistics or actual output because if you did, he is gonna face serious criticism because his output is lackluster.

So yes, I can't be arsed with what I see as excuse making because it kinda looks like excuse making to me. Also, I didn't ask, I said it. With no fear or favour.

Okay mate. I have been saying since ages that we have literally 3 players who are actually good in everything that they do and calling out Klopp even though we've won the Cl and league. I have no idea where you come from, most of these LFC players won't do shit for any team and I have been vocal about it. Hell, I had to make an apology post for Gomez 2 months ago.

Nishy is one of the most critical of LFC players along with the team here. He's been known for that in our section. Unique was the one who used to bark back at most criticisms at them not him.

Jesus christ. How many coaches will it take to realize pogba is a NUMBER 10. His outstanding qualities are his technical ability and his passing. He can't tackle, and he's not aggressive at ALL. His stamina and workrate is very average. He holds on to the ball too long because his natural instincts are suited to being in the final third. I'm not excusing his poor performance, but he is awful at defending. Would you play isco or James at DM? No, but I guess because he's tall and strong, lets just keep sticking him in a double pivot. Got called an idiot here and on reddit for stating the truth, now who's the idiot?

I don't know, feel like Mahrez is to blame.

Sad that a player like Mahrez is so fucking selfish.. could prob be one of the best in the world if he used 100% of his talent

FennecFox7 wrote:Jesus christ. How many coaches will it take to realize pogba is a NUMBER 10. His outstanding qualities are his technical ability and his passing. He can't tackle, and he's not aggressive at ALL. His stamina and workrate is very average. He holds on to the ball too long because his natural instincts are suited to being in the final third. I'm not excusing his poor performance, but he is awful at defending. Would you play isco or James at DM? No, but I guess because he's tall and strong, lets just keep sticking him in a double pivot. Got called an idiot here and on reddit for stating the truth, now who's the idiot?

Poch will have him play in the Dele ali role and he will thrive

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Honestly that bit of defending might be the single worst 10 seconds I've ever seen.

Not the entire performance mind, although that was also awful. Those 10 seconds though...

Maguire really does mark his own players. My goodness...

Geez, Aston Villa had so much luck with some of those deflect goals, but Liverpool were really suicidal tactics, as with Man C and many other teams lately, making it easy for opponent to just encounter and be through on goal.

Mane is injured I take it? Liverpool are so much weaker if one of their front 3 is out.

Im sure this is just a freak result though and Klopp wont let things fall apart. One thing I dont understand though is that Japanese player why does he get so much game time? Never seems to produce anything?

I'm glad that it happened and it happened this early in the season.

Terrible news

Absolutely not the news we were expecting to report first thing this morning https://t.co/wtbXPoUbtH

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FennecFox7 wrote:Jesus christ. How many coaches will it take to realize pogba is a NUMBER 10. His outstanding qualities are his technical ability and his passing. He can't tackle, and he's not aggressive at ALL. His stamina and workrate is very average. He holds on to the ball too long because his natural instincts are suited to being in the final third. I'm not excusing his poor performance, but he is awful at defending. Would you play isco or James at DM? No, but I guess because he's tall and strong, lets just keep sticking him in a double pivot. Got called an idiot here and on reddit for stating the truth, now who's the idiot?

or maybe he is just overrated shit? ever thought of that?

i've never seen Pogba play as an outright 10 in any case, and i don't even think he'll thrive if he plays there. I certainly wouldn't play him there over Pernandes.

iirc correctly in Juventus Pirlo was a deep-lying playing making 6, Marchisio the workhorse box to box and Pogba a sort of free roaming attacking 8 who only shined because he had two midfield geniuses alongside him that made things wayyy easier for him. He never was that advanced, and i don't even think he had high assist numbers. I could be wrong though

Robespierre wrote:Terrible news

Absolutely not the news we were expecting to report first thing this morning https://t.co/wtbXPoUbtH

— FootballJOE (@FootballJOE) October 5, 2020

Disgusting stuff from Arsenal

He's gonna be re-hired when the fans come back, don't worry.

But in honour of his redundancy:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/may/15/david-squires-on-the-north-bank-redemption-arsene-wenger-arsenal