2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Doc wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:




I just have to laugh tbh, they bought one player last summer and you spent 163m.

The unmitigated balls you have to complain about spending money when you spent 60m on fucking Naby Keita.

If Spurs were challenging for the title ok I'd get it but you don't get to spend 163m and then complain about others.

That isn't how this works.

I take it you got fed up of his "woe is me" rants about "poor" Liverpool having to compete with City lol

Big teams in general not just Liverpool tbh.

People are spending 100m every summer and then acting like they're poor defenseless victims.

It's especially annoying because of who i personally support, we only just broke our transfer record which stood for more than fucking 15 years.

I see this shit every year and then see other teams spending 40m on multiple players and playing the "woe is me "card.

I'm sorry if i find it extremely difficult to feel sorry for your "plight".

let me ask you this. If the city owners would have gone to Liverpool instead of city would city have pep as manager with the best squad in Europe and be sitting a point clear of Liverpool with 3 games to play. I’m saying not in a million years.

im the only Pool fan here who still believe in the double, history will remember

Why would the city owners have wanted to go to Liverpool tho

This is a needless debate.

Debating against the very environment modern football has been shifting towards for over 10 years is futile as we know what investors see in football clubs (particularly marketable Premier League ones) and whilst City fans hit serendipitous fortune with a bunch of bored Sheikhs wanting to invest their rather unattractive club; Liverpool and other competitors have no choice but to compete rather than fight against the providence that has had clubs like City or PSG up there in the first place.

Whilst City has spend absurd amounts of sinfully earned money and shamelessly so, we are not exactly exempt from the same given how much we have cumulatively spent, even if it is not as much as them.

And if our spending fails, it is Liverpool's fault and no one else including the environment of the increasingly lucrative Premier League.  

Clubs win titles not when they let their competitors and their advantages influence them, but how they control the all-inclusive influence upon themselves and what they have in control, not the factors outside of it.

CBarca wrote:Why would the city owners have wanted to go to Liverpool tho

I could ask the girl that one day takes you’re virginity the same sort of question.

Arquitescu wrote:This is a needless debate.

Debating against the very environment modern football has been shifting towards for over 10 years is futile as we know what investors see in football clubs (particularly marketable Premier League ones) and whilst City fans hit serendipitous fortune with a bunch of bored Sheikhs wanting to invest their rather unattractive club; Liverpool and other competitors have no choice but to compete rather than fight against the providence that has had clubs like City or PSG up there in the first place.

Whilst City has spend absurd amounts of sinfully earned money and shamelessly so, we are not exactly exempt from the same given how much we have cumulatively spent, even if it is not as much as them.

And if our spending fails, it is Liverpool's fault and no one else including the environment of the increasingly lucrative Premier League.  

Clubs win titles not when they let their competitors and their advantages influence them, but how they control the all-inclusive influence upon themselves and what they have in control, not the factors outside of it.

Agree completely.

Arquitescu wrote:This is a needless debate.

Debating against the very environment modern football has been shifting towards for over 10 years is futile as we know what investors see in football clubs (particularly marketable Premier League ones) and whilst City fans hit serendipitous fortune with a bunch of bored Sheikhs wanting to invest their rather unattractive club; Liverpool and other competitors have no choice but to compete rather than fight against the providence that has had clubs like City or PSG up there in the first place.

Whilst City has spend absurd amounts of sinfully earned money and shamelessly so, we are not exactly exempt from the same given how much we have cumulatively spent, even if it is not as much as them.

And if our spending fails, it is Liverpool's fault and no one else including the environment of the increasingly lucrative Premier League.  

Clubs win titles not when they let their competitors and their advantages influence them, but how they control the all-inclusive influence upon themselves and what they have in control, not the factors outside of it.

the money Liverpool have spent over the last few years has come from selling players like Suarez sterling and coutinho. Had we kept them players and made the signings we have we would have won the title imo.

Every top team spends, can't be mad because one can spend more than another..except in the case of City where it's been proven they've utilized disgraceful tactics and shell companies to embellish their finances over the years. You can be mad at that. Make the PL great again. Justice for United and England.

sign him up Zizou

Exclusive: Paul Pogba set to be the surprise name in the PFA team of the year, reports @DickinsonTimeshttps://t.co/rv5sI7N1U4

— Times Sport (@TimesSport) April 24, 2019

Isco + Kroos straight swap incoming

Is pogba a good player that has lots of bad games or a average player that has a few good games that is the question

Firenze wrote:Every top team spends, can't be mad because one can spend more than another..except in the case of City where it's been proven they've utilized disgraceful tactics and shell companies to embellish their finances over the years. You can be mad at that. Make the PL great again. Justice for United and England.

Of course, if you want to complain how that money is funded that's a completely different argument and obviously i don't have an issue with.

Great talent, who has far less consistency than the average player. When you consider how few great games he's had for Man United, and the opposition he's played well against, it makes you wonder how he's so highly rated. Then again, talent. World Cup hype, as well. Him being included in PFA team of the year is definitely surprising. How many good games would you say he's had this season, Firenze? 5? 6?

Unique wrote:

CBarca wrote:Why would the city owners have wanted to go to Liverpool tho

I could ask the girl that one day takes you’re virginity the same sort of question.

You would ask the girl who took my virginity why she would want to go to Liverpool?

I wonder how good the city team would be if they had to sell sterling kdb and aguero to buy a defensive mf player a CB and a goal keeper.

CBarca wrote:

Unique wrote:

CBarca wrote:Why would the city owners have wanted to go to Liverpool tho

I could ask the girl that one day takes you’re virginity the same sort of question.

You would ask the girl who took my virginity why would she want to go to Liverpool?

I wouldn’t. I’d ask her how small your dick is and what she thought about going to nascar for a first date.

You're just so creative, I don't even know what to say

CBarca wrote:You're just so creative, I don't even know what to say

you just make sure she’s 18 you hear.

Yeah I can see moles point now about Liverpool and city spending

Said before the season started that City are just too good all round. The points we have right now would be enough to win the title on most seasons. I mean, one loss all season and we're about to come second? Mad.

I guess the wait just goes on.

Spoiler:

Glory wrote:Also Darmian is a better CB than most of our CBs. Always felt this. Insane we havent used him at all there. Watch him now go to Italy and shine.  

Has he  ever shined ? Not even under lampposts imo

Arquitescu wrote:This is a needless debate.

Debating against the very environment modern football has been shifting towards for over 10 years is futile as we know what investors see in football clubs (particularly marketable Premier League ones) and whilst City fans hit serendipitous fortune with a bunch of bored Sheikhs wanting to invest their rather unattractive club; Liverpool and other competitors have no choice but to compete rather than fight against the providence that has had clubs like City or PSG up there in the first place.

Whilst City has spend absurd amounts of sinfully earned money and shamelessly so, we are not exactly exempt from the same given how much we have cumulatively spent, even if it is not as much as them.

And if our spending fails, it is Liverpool's fault and no one else including the environment of the increasingly lucrative Premier League.  

Clubs win titles not when they let their competitors and their advantages influence them, but how they control the all-inclusive influence upon themselves and what they have in control, not the factors outside of it.

Yes, but City never has to sell their key players. Before we bought those players last summer we had to sell one of our best players for 160m. And let's not even talk about salaries, City can pay players like Mahrez 12m salary and Otamendi 11m salary just to sit on their bench, while Liverpool has players like Origi who earns under 3m being their first option off the bench. Bench and rotation players are what makes the difference in the league when injuries and fatigue kick in, and you can't compare what City have on the bench and what salaries they give to bench players to other teams.

Otamendi has the same salary like Van Dijk, Firmino and Salah have, the top earners at Liverpool. And then people debate if City has an unfair financial advantage

EDIT: Otamendi actually earns slightly below Salah, but still he earns the same as Van Dijk and Firmino

Last time Liverpool won any major trophies were around 15 years ago. it's normal that you will struggle to keep the key players. They are attracted to other big clubs. You are saying that you would still sell Coutinho even he would not have pushed this transfer for.

Robespierre wrote:

Glory wrote:Also Darmian is a better CB than most of our CBs. Always felt this. Insane we havent used him at all there. Watch him now go to Italy and shine.  

Has he  ever shined ? Not even under lampposts imo

Sei sempre stata intelligente, fra.


@Buster:

I've acknowledged City's liberal spending without any such consequence as the point is more on how we cannot make victims out of ourselves as fans given we have at least still had the option to spend money only a 5% percentile of clubs can.

Yes we have an obvious disadvantage but I do not see us remaining in this selling club stature for long though then again American owners (who are the best businessmen in the world) are always thinking in purely lucrative terms to which is partially worrying.

And we know what that means.

neuro11 wrote:Last time Liverpool won any major trophies were around 15 years ago. it's normal that you will struggle to keep the key players. They are attracted to other big clubs. You are saying that you would still sell Coutinho even he would not have pushed this transfer for.

You completely missed the point of my posts though