Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
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Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
When the lockerroom agrees that J Lo should have stayed, meanwhile the Spanish Federation is too proud to admit they love Barca so much their tiny egos got squashed when the best coach in the world signed for the best club in the world. This is embarrassing on so many levels.
Yes I am mad. Hate to see the blame on our club when the PLAYERS themselves agrees that J Lo should have stayed, despite signing for R. Madrid. It was never a issue for the players according to many reports!
Source: https://twitter.com/tjcope/status/1013490939225092096
Yes I am mad. Hate to see the blame on our club when the PLAYERS themselves agrees that J Lo should have stayed, despite signing for R. Madrid. It was never a issue for the players according to many reports!
Source: https://twitter.com/tjcope/status/1013490939225092096
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
How do you think I feel (as the only Spanish on this forum)?
Just ridiculous, now our NT is in tathers, with several of established stars likely to be gone come next 4 years, and I can’t think of anyone who can adequately rebuild. Just a shame, as we had a legitimate chance to do something in this WC, but all the more direct approach, that Lopetequi was trying to change all went out the window let alone the misuse of several personnel.
And how the hell does the best (or 2nd best) portero make such a rookie mistake and then totally lose his confidence.
Hierro and DeGea are pure and simple the reasons why we are out.
And all the blame goes to Rubianes and his ‘pride’ being hurt. His pride in his mind is more important that the national interest.
Just ridiculous, now our NT is in tathers, with several of established stars likely to be gone come next 4 years, and I can’t think of anyone who can adequately rebuild. Just a shame, as we had a legitimate chance to do something in this WC, but all the more direct approach, that Lopetequi was trying to change all went out the window let alone the misuse of several personnel.
And how the hell does the best (or 2nd best) portero make such a rookie mistake and then totally lose his confidence.
Hierro and DeGea are pure and simple the reasons why we are out.
And all the blame goes to Rubianes and his ‘pride’ being hurt. His pride in his mind is more important that the national interest.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Mole, let’s talk in a week once you exit!
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
I won't be making excuses for it though.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
They aren’t excuses, just facts. We sucked and deservatety are out, but it still hurts. It’s just a bloody shame because we did have a legitimate chance.
Who in their right mind changes coaches two days before a tournament, let alone for someone who has been a disaster in his only coaching job at level 2 futbol?
Who in their right mind changes coaches two days before a tournament, let alone for someone who has been a disaster in his only coaching job at level 2 futbol?
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
-Tops group
-Gets a favourable draw in the round of 16
-Passes the ball 1100 times
-Loses on penalties
??????
-Manager's fault of course
-Gets a favourable draw in the round of 16
-Passes the ball 1100 times
-Loses on penalties
??????
-Manager's fault of course
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
futbol_bill wrote:They aren’t excuses, just facts. We sucked and deservatety are out, but it still hurts. It’s just a bloody shame because we did have a legitimate chance.
Who in their right mind changes coaches two days before a tournament, let alone for someone who has been a disaster in his only coaching job at level 2 futbol?
This reads as excuses to me tbh, also I disagree Spain had a legitimate chance for all the reasons I've stated before dozens of times.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
You think players can form and play a tactic?
Don’t we every year talk about coaches and their effectiiveness with tactics and of course luck or lack thereof?
Don’t we every year talk about coaches and their effectiiveness with tactics and of course luck or lack thereof?
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Can't form a tactic to beat Russia with better players in every position, a one goal lead after 15 minutes and 85% of the ball?
Please.
Please.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Nope I just think they would have struggled anyway so I don't think it matters.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
spain are out because they are as bad as west brom in front of goal.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
6 goals over 4 games! 2 PKs (and contraversal at that), 2 of them off set plays, one golazo and 1 severe keeper mistake. You can fault keeper, but it’s not the defense to blame, it’s lack of goals and thus no adaptation of tactics for more direct play.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Agree with futbol bill, they had a legitimate chance.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
El Gunner wrote:Agree with futbol bill, they had a legitimate chance.
Yeah, I'll agree to that as well. Spain had a legit chance but when you lose to Russia, a team that does not have a single player that would even make the bench in the Spain NT, it is hard to read any statement (while it maybe true) that does not come across as making excuses.
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:futbol_bill wrote:They aren’t excuses, just facts. We sucked and deservatety are out, but it still hurts. It’s just a bloody shame because we did have a legitimate chance.
Who in their right mind changes coaches two days before a tournament, let alone for someone who has been a disaster in his only coaching job at level 2 futbol?
This reads as excuses to me tbh, also I disagree Spain had a legitimate chance for all the reasons I've stated before dozens of times.
Weren't YOU defending Messi with excuses such as: no good coach, no good defence in Argentina etc
To be honest these do not sound like excuses to me, these are legit arguments. With J Lo Spain would have played a more direct football
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Because young guest, it is easier to find legitimacy in failure when you actually like what one is talking about.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
I know Doc, that it sounds like excuses, but dammit, we would be having a very different conversation hadn’t Rubianes felt his pride was damaged. I mean who does that changing coaches 2 days before tournament and for one who failed miserable in level 2 futbol (my home club at that) in his only coaching experience.
Take it for what it is, I’m pissed!
Right now, I await England’s demise and anxiously await Mole and others’ reaction.
Take it for what it is, I’m pissed!
Right now, I await England’s demise and anxiously await Mole and others’ reaction.
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yup this is another case of excuses. you have a team, players are not robots that when their coach goes all of a sudden they lose their ability to function and create sparks in the game like a piece of individual brilliance or thinking outside the box. yes you need a coach, but the coach can only do so much. if a player needs a coach to tell them that instead of passing backwards and sideways for 60 seconds of every minute of every hour of everyday, they should try being inventive and inspirational, then i'm sorry that team and said player deserve to lose
i'm not buying all this "coach is to blame" talk being heaped on some of these teams. let players take responsibility for once, the coach can only do so much in a short tournament with little room for error. when teams or players we like win, that player or that team is great, when they possess the inspirational abilities of a loaf of bread soaked in water, then the coach sucks, or the team sucks, or the FA who are thousands of miles away from the pitch suck
spain's players lacked imagination and if pique needs a coach to tell him not to have his hand up in a cross situation as a defender then he really understands nothing about defense and has just been carried his whole carrier. but when defenders prioritize ball playing skills over basic principles of defending that's what happens. not to mention, koke missed a penalty, was it because lopetegui wasn't there to pamper him?
i'm not buying all this "coach is to blame" talk being heaped on some of these teams. let players take responsibility for once, the coach can only do so much in a short tournament with little room for error. when teams or players we like win, that player or that team is great, when they possess the inspirational abilities of a loaf of bread soaked in water, then the coach sucks, or the team sucks, or the FA who are thousands of miles away from the pitch suck
spain's players lacked imagination and if pique needs a coach to tell him not to have his hand up in a cross situation as a defender then he really understands nothing about defense and has just been carried his whole carrier. but when defenders prioritize ball playing skills over basic principles of defending that's what happens. not to mention, koke missed a penalty, was it because lopetegui wasn't there to pamper him?
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
You have all the reason to be pissed and to rant about it. It's a shitty way to get eliminated. I did add you to the suffering list though.futbol_bill wrote:I know Doc, that it sounds like excuses, but dammit, we would be having a very different conversation hadn’t Rubianes felt his pride was damaged. I mean who does that changing coaches 2 days before tournament and for one who failed miserable in level 2 futbol (my home club at that) in his only coaching experience.
Take it for what it is, I’m pissed!
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Real Madrid such a cancerous club ffs, Brexit teams supporting England NT with every resource they have.
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
According to players, various respected spanish tacticians on twitter, and literally hundreds of thousands of spanish voters throughout various news sites, cuckiales is most responsible, and he admits it himself in his evasive non answers regarding whether players supported his decision and whether he regretted what he did.
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Brexit teams supporting the NT is very funny, especially since most of the top teams loan lack Brexit players
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every team in the EPL has to have a quota of brexit playersValkyrja wrote:Brexit teams supporting the NT is very funny, especially since most of the top teams loan lack Brexit players
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Re: Koke: “Lopetegui was our leader. Hierro did the best he could.”
Yep, and they are all important pieces for their clubs
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