Re: Can we admit that Wenger is a specialist in failure?

by Myesyats Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:30 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
Myesyats wrote:He did not use to have it but he has developed it as he got older. He's the worst high profile coach out there right now, looking away when things go wrong.

I hope you are stuck with him for a couple more years because you don't deserve better.

I guess Ronaldinho si also a failure because later in his career he didn't perform as good as before ? Both players and coaches have ups and downs.

We're talking about a coaching GOAT who knows more about football than this entire forum combined tbh

Last time Wenger won the Premier Leauge The Russian Federation was still recognizing Soviet Union passports as legal identification.

by Kaladin Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:37 pm

Legend for what? Invincibles season? If Conte retired now is he a coaching legend? If longevity makes a legend for you guys, then i'm sorry to say i disagree. He is a passable coach blessed with faith, that is all. The reality is he will go down as a 'legend' (for right or wrong) sadly

by rincon Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:43 pm

ES wrote:Legend for what? Invincibles season? If Conte retired now is he a coaching legend? If longevity makes a legend for you guys, then i'm sorry to say i disagree. He is a passable coach blessed with faith, that is all. The reality is he will go down as a 'legend' (for right or wrong) sadly

Yes

by footyfan01 Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:12 pm

Problem is & as harsh as this sounds, Arsenal fans are also losers & that loser mentality has rubbed off on the fans. They just don't how to win & will take mediocrity and 4th place as good results !

by Tomwin Lannister Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:17 pm

He's obviously not a 'loser' on the whole unless your definition for being a loser is so ridiculously high, in which case you all probably hate yourselves too. But I agree with ES too longevity when it's going hand in hand with failing to win major trophies shouldn't really make you a legend either. He's had his legendary moments, but overall I wouldn't call him a great manager. He's looked lost for far too long.

FWIW if his teams were losing to the likes of Bayern, Barca and the big EPL teams with respectable margins i'd reconsider that. But he is clueless when faced with superior opposition and has been for some time now.

by urbaNRoots Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:09 pm

I guess all the football legends who agree that Wenger is a legend in the game have also been infected by Wenger's loser mentality. And who better to know what a winner looks like than footyfan from Goallegacy.

by Socur Toxanarosa Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:44 pm

Legend?

This guy didn't have a better career than Rafa Benitez, legend my arse.

by Myesyats Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:45 pm

He's a legend because he managed to hang onto the job for a long time while offering little to none.

His passion and love for the game is unquestionable, as is his philosophy of playing it. However, the past is in the past, and he's done as a coach. The fact that he manages a top club to this day is amusing. Currently he's just embarrasing himself by riding on achievements from over 12 years ago.

Just proves the all the mockery of Arsenal is justified, reading your comments.

by BarcaLearning Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:51 pm

I now admire more his abilities to be shameless and stubborn and just plain outdated mindset rather than any real football management abilities Very Happy

by footyfan01 Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:24 am

What has to done to become a legend ? No1 is gonna remember him when he retires except hardcore Arsenal fans?

He has 0 CHL Wins, how many CHL finals has he played?

He has 3 League titles in 20 odd years? And he will stay on for 5 years with no more titles.

Look no1 is saying Wenger is pathetic or so, he is an above average to decent manager, that's it. A club like Arsenal certainly deserve a better manager.

And the main deal is that Arsenal fans are content & affected by the loser syndrome !

by urbaNRoots Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:05 am

The main deal is that your opinion on the matter is absolutely irrelevant.

Journalists and football legends will remember him for revolutionizing English football. For turning Arsenal from a bunch of drug addicts and drunks into Premier League champions. For being a worthy rival to Ferguson (another manager who has great respect). For creating football legends like Vieira, Henry and Bergkamp. For creating the Invincibles. For his absolutely breathtaking football style in his 4 league titles and 7 league cups. For being selected best manager of the decade.

Granted, you are young AND stupid but still you have to educate yourself when you try to downplay a man like Arsene Wenger.

by footyfan01 Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:22 am

I like Wenger for his initial work at Arsenal. He did win 3 titles in his 1st 7-8 years but has done nothing in 10 years to be considered a "Legend".

Bergkamp was 25-26, already a huge player with 100+ goals for Ajax with European trophies. The Invincibles didn't win anything in Europe. Arsenal have 0 CHL titles. Wenger should atleast win 1 CHL to be compared to "Legendary" coaches.

People are literally abusing the word "Legend". If Wenger is a legend, then the definition has fallen to a new low & with Arsenal fans' benchmarks, that is not surprising

by urbaNRoots Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:27 am

Arsenal fans aren't the only ones who call him a legend, it's football managers and football players and football journalists that do too. If you have a problem with the definition that's fine but I will shame anyone who calls him a loser and a failure.

by McAgger Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:57 am

Socur Toxanarosa wrote:Legend?

This guy didn't have a better career than Rafa Benitez, legend my arse.

Rafa is a legend at both Valencia and Liverpool. What is your point?

by Lucifer Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:23 am

Footyfan forcing Arsenal fans to subconsciously defend Arsene Wenger :bow:

by footyfan01 Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:38 am

He doesn't have the success to be called a Legend. Flat & Simple. And very few elite people call him a legend.

These are a few multiple European Winners - Del Bosque? Pep? Mourinho? Fergusen? Ancelloti ? Cryuff? Rinus M? Heynckes? Did they call him a legend?

Most others only have pity for him. It is a disgrace when Carlo has to say in his press conference, ohh he's a good guy & doesn't deserve all the hate.

Can you name which "Elite" Players & Managers have called him a LEGEND?

by free_cat Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:57 am

Socur Toxanarosa wrote:Legend?

This guy didn't have a better career than Rafa Benitez, legend my arse.

It's funny because it's true.

Benitez:
2 leagues
2 cups
2 UEFA/Europa League
1 Champions
1 CWC
Various supercups

Wenger:
4 leagues
7 cups
various supercups

by Myesyats Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:00 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:I will shame anyone who calls him a loser and a failure.

banter

by Kaladin Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:13 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:Arsenal fans aren't the only ones who call him a legend, it's football managers and football players and football journalists that do too. If you have a problem with the definition that's fine but I will shame anyone who calls him a loser and a failure.

How can you say that as an Arsenal fan? Don't you feel let down? Losing to virtually every big team by a large margin, constantly finishing 4th, is this what 'winning' looks like you to you? Are you content with this? FA cup aside, he has done nothing for the past half-decade, last season was Arsenal's best chance of winning the league title and they botched it up. If this isn't 'loser' mentality then what is? Leicester *bleep* City managed to capitulate, why can't you? It grinds my gears that there are Arsenal fans still from the Tye school of thought of willy nilly pretending that everything Wenger did is sacrilegious. You support the club not the coach, so act like it. DT struck the cord with this in Neville's interview, 'i respect the guy, but i just want whats best for Arsenal', do you think the club in its current state shows promise in the future? No, it doesn't and it should, because the fans deserve better, because club deserves better.

by urbaNRoots Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:53 pm

Read my first post in this thread or the Wenger Out thread in the Arsenal section if you want to know how I feel about Wenger these days. I've wanted him to go since 2014 and still do. But I still respect him and think fondly of his career. There's a between from DT and Ty-- you can want him out but not be a complete *bleep* about it and that's where I stand.

by Kaladin Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:27 pm

You either die a Tye or live long enough to see yourself become DT

by rincon Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:29 pm

Wenger deserves TONS of respect for his work and career. Wouldn't call him a legend though.

by GRude Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:11 pm

There's a difference between club & league legend &football legend. 3 titles in 20 years, ZERO European success in 30 years excludes him from the latter.

by footyfan01 Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:59 pm

True Legend !

by Kaladin Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:14 pm

Mou was right all along

by RealGunner Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:15 pm

Arsene at his worst is still ahead of Mou in the table

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